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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Sorry MovieMaster but if you can't see that it's the free market that got us into this mess you're a fool.
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Look I know your a european and come from that frame of government but it was governments idea of making homes available to everyone that got us into the problem.
The free market was forced to make business decisions that wouldn't otherwise be made without government setting up the domino's to start the fall. Look I don't say free market and greed had its role but where did this problem begin... Government trying to do something I think everyone could admire.... Make home ownership available to everyone but not in a logical sense way.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
The big holes in your statement. It's largely free enterprise who suck in low paid illegal workers yet you ask the Government to stop it for you. If free market is the solution they would stop employing them. Or stop moving factories to places they can pay wages that are a lot less then the US. And deprive Americans of jobs.
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Free enterprise does solve issues that otherwise wouldn't be solved, however government essentially as a tool has the power to do nothing to benefit the free market, but has the ability to create great harm in the markets. Increase taxes, thus increase costs to business and businesses job is to find profit and a means to keep it going. If going overseas because of higher taxes how can you blame them... If government wanted to keep jobs here you would lower taxes and create huge tax incentives for businesses to stay here! People forget, all increase in taxes do is a full circle and hit everyone in the population. Tax the tax businesses, tax property, it just makes them increase prices and pass these taxes to the customers thus increasing inflation when the min wage is increased and the circle keeps on going.
Now your point on why would businesses stop employing low wage workers, you forgot the point I made about immigration... I have no issue with legal immigration, and I do acknowledge that immigration reform is needed but the main beef is with govt. enforcing its laws and doing what it should be doing! Protecting the integrity of the country / borders. People can't keep making excuses for not securing the border fix the holes, and deal with whats here after, not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
It's Government not the free market that will improve education. The free market will move it's operation to India where there are the educated people who work for low wages and often work better than the US ones.
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You mixed up my statement a little bit I never said free market would do education on a grand scale but I think most people would agree private schools create better students. If they didn't they wouldn't be in business! Harvard, Yale, USC, Johns Hopkins, etc... vs Community colleges... do jc's produce some good leaders sure... but if someone had a choice they would take the private schools anyday because of the sheer benefits it offers!
India is producing a fuck load of computer programmers, engineers, doctors from mostly private schools...
Look private education isn't for everyone.
My point with eduction was that they need to stop lowering standards and hold people accountable much like they should be held accountable for financial decisions they have made and become more responsible for their education. You have school districts and states lowering standards so kids can pass just to pass the buck (crap) when instead hold the fucker accountable till the kid gets it!
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Your post is the typical me, me, me attitude of most Americans. If you want more jobs, better economy and a safer future you need to invest in your country and not yourself.
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I agree we need to invest in our country, and that's great but investing in something without holding it accountable is pointless! If I the tax payer want better education I expect schools to hold the students accountable.
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
I hate wasteful Government spending and have seen it first hand. But the Government is more likely to spend money at home than the free market. All that will do is cut your taxes, invest less in the future and send you down to the Mall to by goods made in the Third World.
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Your point is well made and I think maybe I didn't explain that or maybe lost in the read but I agree there has to be a balance but when there is so much gross waste in social programs for those who are not citizens, abuse the system, and etc for really the sheer lack of enforcing the rules on the books.
Its almost become taboo to enforce laws for being labeled as uncompassionate person.
I just wish people would stand up and know Americans are compassionate but don't confuse that with weakness and expect to fraud us!
I am very moderate in most social issues, its just the flat abuse and naivety to just go with the flow and not what is right. Helping people no problem, holding them accountable is where we are failing....
I am not one to buy into this whole idea of "Change"
What do we need to "Change" we are a great country, a prosperous country and I feel we have do alot of good.... and we have done some bad but which country hasn't in their history but I think the good out weighs the bad....
What I want is "Improvement" of our system and not drastic "Change!"