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Originally Posted by gideongallery
top 10 shows on bit torrtent
notice how many are on specialty channels and how many are on the broadcast cable you can get for free thru the air.
so assuming that EVERYONE who does cable also doesn't have any access to tv is just plain stupid.
the reason i ceded the point is because 10% shift is imaterial to the results, even if you made 10 of the tv downloaders illegal, they still out number everything else.
and that is before you take any other fair use into account
and that is why i said go after the individuals who are ACTUALLY BREAKING THE LAW, not take out the entire technology for everyone. Attacking the pirate bay, DOES BOTH, it takes away my right to use the torrents as a VCR, and i have never downloaded a show that i don't pay for. Hell my cable bill is over a hundred bucks so i can buy a feed to BBC so i have a right to get dr who confidential. I currently have my internet on a different carrier then my TV even though i could save money bundling packages because my internet carrier does not have BBC canada as an option.
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I would like to now how many of the people who download those shows do so from places where those shows don't air.
I have never had a problem with people downloading broadcast TV shows. I kind of feel that if they are giving it away over the air then anyone with a TV and antenna can access them and if someone were to record them on a VCR or DVR they would just fast forward past the commercials so having some people download them is to be expected.
As far as going after individuals, the RIAA and groups like that have been. To me going after sites like the Pirate Bay is a form of that. If I had a gun store and people came in to buy a gun and were going to use it to hunt or target practice and I sell it to them no problem. Nothing illegal has happened. Even if they never said why they were going to use it I could then admit that I had no reasonable idea that they were going to do something bad with it. But if I have that same gun store and a guy comes in to buy a gun and tells me that he is going to use it to rob a store and I still sell it to him, maybe someone needs to look at me. If someone tells me they want to commit a crime with the gun I am selling them and I help the file the serial number off the gun, I am an accessory to the crime. You can argue that bit torrent sites like Pirate bay are providing a legit service to some people and some people are not using it to illegally download anything, but many of the people that are using the site are doing so to illegally download stuff. If you think otherwise you are just fooling yourself. people want it for free and the torrent sites are helping them to get it. These sites are aiding people in committing a crime and if they do that they should be held accountable.
If they want to run a legit torrent site that only offers things that they either have permission to link to (like bands and artists that want to give away their stuff) or they have stuff they themselves created or that holds no current copyright. Nothing is wrong with that. But the minute they link to the torrent file for the leaked Wolverine movie that hasn't even hit theaters yet, they are aiding everyone who downloads it in committing a crime.
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your monopoly on your work is granted to you by the government, "'The sole interest of the United States and the primary object in conferring the monopoly" is to "promote borad public availabilty of " that content.
and you want to abuse that right granted you to PREVENT BROAD DISTRIBUTION OF THE CONTENT.
Care to explain why you believe such a breach of your contractional obligation is justified.
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I feel that if I create a movie, or music CD (or to some extent a TV show - depending on how it airs) or a book, or any form of art/entertainment I should have the right to control where and how it is distributed. It has nothing to do with money. If I don't want the people of Spain to see my work, I should have that right. Hell, for that matter if I want to allow access to my work to everyone but people living in Alabama I should have that right. Just because a person wants to see/consume my work should not just give them a blanket right to do so.
If I make a movie and then release it on DVD and I only make DVDs for sale in the US and I choose not to sell them to anyone else (or even make DVDs that will work in NON US region coded machines) that should be up to me. If I am leaving money on the table, so be it. It is my work, I should be allowed to control it. If the people of France want to see my work and it is not available to them, tough shit. As Mick Jagger famously said, "You can't always get what you want."
I hold the same idea when it comes to distribution as I see in many stores where they have a sign that says, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." If I make a DVD available in the US only and someone buys it and burns it to create a backup, no problem. If that someone loans his DVD to a friend, no problem. If that person puts it in a torrent and seeds it, big problem. Now people I don't want having it can access it. I know their download of it doesn't hurt me financially because I am not selling it to them and I don't ever plan to sell it to them, but if I don't want them to have it, they shouldn't be allowed to get it. Part of the problem with the world, and the Internet as a whole, is a sense of entitlement. People want it so they take it. They want it free, so they don't pay for it. If I create something I should be allowed to control who has it and how they use it and I should be able to defend that right.
It may not be how the letter of the law is written out, it is just how I feel.
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One other thing you have to realize is that most people downloading from torrents have FAST internet connection. They represent top 60% of downloaders, which means they are more like me, having money to buy cable, rather then being the poor souls who can't afford cable.
We are more likely to have paid for the shows (including specialty channels) however given the show break down, most download come from shows that ARE available to even those people who don't have cable, and are getting their TV thru rabbit ears.
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I won't argue that most of the big downloaders are people that have fast internet connections and if your list of the top shows is accurate than chances are a lot of them have access to those shows to begin with.
But, again I just wonder how many of the downloaders are from outside the US where these shows don't air. This study
http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-m...-in-australia/ is from 2 years ago, but then the US didn't even rank in the top 10 as far as biggest downloaders. I'm sure some of those countries get US TV broadcasts, but I would imagine many of them don't. If that is the case then those people are downloading something they never had access to in the first place right?
According to this
http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009...pirate-bay.ars the pirate bay themselves say around 8%-9% of connections come from the US. Obviously this is only one site, but still that is not that many which means there are many people in other countries accessing these shows that never would have access to them to begin with right?