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Originally Posted by gideongallery
because argueing with you guys exposes objections that would cost me real sales
people here argued i was dead wrong on law based on everything i said, if i had done that with a real customer i would have never gotten the sale.
I keep testing different arguement POV and legal cases, and i finally kept saying if you don't believe me hire a qualified lawyer take my arguements and run it by them.
A couple of you guys actually did, and if you look those guys now admit that what i said about the law was correct.
that little test has made me over 200k in last 2 years, because instead arguing with a real customer, i tell them i would like to meet with them and their lawyer and i will pay for his/her time.
I make the same points about fair use and their ultimate consequences (i bring the case references) i made to you guys, when their lawyers tell them that i am right they don't get intrenched in the battles we get into here.
when we give them a choice between hoping the laws will be rewriten so that the big studioes and record companies who currently screw them over will give them a tiny share of the actual sales or use the technology to drive the sales directly to themselves and keep most of the money, they end up accepting especially when we make performance based offers (pay us 3 cents per view instead of buying traffic directly from youtube at 15 cents per click(first 7 days)- keep the steady stream of traffic you that keeps coming in forever).
with tube sites like youtube, getting a massive spike in traffic on the first 7 days, gets you most ... honors and regular rotations in the recommended bar when ever new youtube viewers who match your interest log on. That why so many people buy enough traffic to get on the top 20 lists even though it is very expense. In the long term the steady stream of traffic makes that very cost effective (you will get 70-80% of your traffic for free if you spike in the first 7 days)
Doing the same thing using title optimization tricks that i figuired out by test submitting to porn tubes makes me a lot of money, but if i had to deal with this types of objections i would never get those sales. Arguing with you guys let me figure out, what kind of irrational/totally wrong legal point of view exist in my potential customers. Which i can then deal with nicely.
for example your bouncing around between us and eu laws, and mistakenly believing I was being inconsistant is going to change the way i deal with real customers. I am going to do some clarifications about what regions we are talking about. or point out that it hasn't been established in the US yet, but point out the key legal precedents that have already been established that will make it happen if the arguement is ever made under US law. not a 100% sure how to do that but, i will figuire it out but the simple fact is i would have never realized it until it cost me a real sale if it were not for the arguement with you.
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Well, I guess that puts an end to it then doesn't it. It seems that either earlier in this thread or another recent thread like this you had talked about how you were still testing things and how some things worked and some didn't and you were ironing things out to optimize it. You were stoked because you thought there was great potential in it. Now you are making tons of money and selling these same plans that were just being tested to fortune 500 companies and you making stars out of people on YouTube. That is awesome.
And somehow my objecting to people downloading music and movies that they haven't paid for has helped you learn how to deal with your clients problems? How so? If your client owns their material and they want to use your torrent marketing program what is the problem? There is none? There is no law that says you can't give something you own away for free if you want. So what would they have to object to?
The only reason I have ever mistook what you are saying when it comes to laws in different countries is because you talk in circles. You spin a web of bullshit that anyone without a decoder ring could get lost in. I ask about the Wolverine movie and you give me a song and dance about access shifting. I start to zero in on this access shifting stuff and eventually 10 posts later we get to the root of the deal which is that in the US there is no such thing as access shifting. Apparently there is other countries, but not the US, but you make sure to leave that little tidbit out of your answer to give the impression that you are correct. So it is no wonder people get confused.
In the end it really doesn't matter. You will do what you are going to do and I am going to my thing as well. We are pretty much powerless in this fight. The fight is eventually going to come down to the big companies VS websites like The Pirate Bay and there will also be heavy lobbying to stop torrent downloads at the ISP level. If they are successful, they can put a clamp on illegal downloads - at least in the US. If not they will have to drastically change their marketing plan and hope that works.
I personally feel that most torrent users use them to get things they don't want to pay for. They want music and movies and games and apps and they don't want to pay for them so they use torrents to get them. I also feel these people are primarily freeloaders who are going to be very difficult to monetize. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am right. Only time will tell.