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Old 08-29-2009, 05:25 AM  
Pleasurepays
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon View Post
If there are all pros and no cons why is the sale of it so regulated? There are no easy answers in life, in my opinion, and this just seems way too easy. There has to be a downside.
hgh was originally regulated because it was being extracted from cadavers and a bunch of children were injected with an infected batch and contracted some disease (too lazy to look it up and refresh my memory)

i think you are misunderstanding what everyone is talking about. "proper use"= only positive benefits. there is nothing about "way too easy". diet and exercise matter and are important but are only part of the equation when it comes to why your body is breaking down. diet and exercise can do a lot to slow this process. the responsible use of these drugs serves to simply supplement what your body is no longer producing or releasing into your system.

"steroids" covers a very wide range of drugs, many of which are very powerful, dangerous and even lethal. the primary reason for their being made illegal (The Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990 - whereas, before they were regulated by the FDA) was primarily due to rising abuse in teens/young people and black market sales.

this discussion is not about "drugs" or "steroids" - think of it like this. some people here are saying "hey, a glass of red wine, once a day will do wonders for your heart - here's why" - others are saying "anyone who drinks everyday is an alcoholic". the word "steroids" is used to classify and describe a wide range of dangerous drugs and comes with significant taboos attached to it, but within the context of this analogy and this discussion, its like using a word like "alcohol" because its super taboo and never distinguishing between a person who has a glass of red wine with dinner and a homeless guy downing 2 bottles of cheap vodka each day.

anyone arguing that there is some huge health risk to responsibly using testosterone and hgh is misinformed or is like TheDoc and simply doing searches on Google while he tries to argue for the sake of arguing and starts pulling random shit, myth and hype out of his ass.

its very simple. at around 25, your body begins its decline (although others are saying 30 here). your natural production of testosterone begins to taper off. diet and exercise won't stop it. it can only slow the decline. as a male, your body is genetically programmed to grow, fight, fuck and then break down and die. so at a very young age, your body starts releasing less and less HGH as well and the rate of decline is on a curve which accelerates over time. all your hormones fall out of balance with each other (another super long bio chemistry/A&P discussion) and your health begins to fall apart.

every aspect of your life is affected by this process and increasingly so over time. its a gradual process. you slowly start aching more, you have less and less energy, you slowly start losing muscle mass, it becomes harder and harder to maintain/gain muscle mass, you slowly start gaining more fat, you start having a hard(er) time losing fat, your libido wanes, your body takes longer and longer to repair itself, your mental acuity and ability to think and focus slowly decline, your energy levels slowly decline, your flexibility declines, your bones become more brittle, the collagen in your skin declines, your immune function declines and so on and so on and so on.

an uninformed person can say "all you have to do is eat right and exercise" but its not that simple. how can i say that? well... unlike some uninformed jackass like TheDoc, myself, tical, robbie and i'm sure others workout AND regularly get our blood work done regularly to monitor our bodies production of everything - testosterone, hgh, igf1, t3, estrogen, progesterone, DHT and a fairly wide range of other things to fully understand the physiological impact of 1) not doing anything 2) diet and exercising only 3) exercising and diet while using testosterone and HGH.

a simple fact in all this is that you can significantly increase your own quality of life by proper/responsible/monitored testosterone/hgh supplementation. it can't be described to anyone who doesn't know the difference of "before" and "after". it also isn't going to make much sense to someone who is 25 and in great shape. no one here is going to understand how bad they feel and how good they used to feel until they take that step, boost their testosterone levels back up to the higher end of the range and all they will be thinking is "holy fuck! i remember feeling like this all the time when i was younger. i had no idea how far from that place i was".

now... did this guy use hgh for 60 days and go through a magical transformation? did hgh by itself, make him lose 30 pounds? no. not under any normal circumstances and not from hgh alone (i.e. changing diet, exercising more etc). hgh does not work like that. he can scream all he wants about how great he feels, its called the placebo effect. under normal circumstances, you wouldn't feel anything for many many months... and the effects are so gradual that you might not really be aware of them at all without keeping a detailed diary as many do. is it extremely beneficial to your health to use HGH responsibly? hell yes!

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