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Originally Posted by kane
If this is all true, clearly this was effective. The question is: How much false information did he give before finally telling the truth and do we really know he was telling the truth when we believe he was?
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What difference does it make? How much false information does ANYONE get interrogating ANYONE about a crime get? Every time the police ask a question they get lied to. That's part of the deal.
What planet do you live on where people say "yes officer, i was doing 108 miles per hour AND i'm drunk... you need to arrest me, impound my car, charge me with at least wreckless driving and dui"... or "yeah, of course that's my crack pipe, who's else would it be"
It's not like the CIA or any other government intelligence agency of any nation are a bunch of naive, inexperienced jokers expecting full, complete and 100% honest confessions right from the start. the whole point is to start breaking people down until they DO tell the truth
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Also, don't you think this story is now a poster for terrorist recruiters? "Look at what the terrible Americans do to our brothers, you must unite and bring them down."
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Don't you think that sending the message to every terrorist in the world that says "hey, don't worry if you get caught,... they'll be required by their own laws and rules to treat you like royalty... so just kick back, relax and keep your mouth shut and don't worry about anything" is now a poster for terrorist recruiters?
How about trying to honestly answer this question: "What do you think terrorist groups are thinking right now while watching this impossibly retarded debate about how well they should be treated should they be captured and publicly detailing the limits of how much they can be pressured into giving up information"
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I'm not saying interrogation isn't good. Hell, I'm not even so sure that torture doesn't ultimately work. The question is what does it cost us?
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Of course torture works. people in this nation are extremely naive.
Take Russia for example. If you live in Russia, you might notice something super interesting about watching crime shows like the Russian equivalent of "COPS" on tv. that is that EVERY single person who committed a serious crime like murdering people or several ends up giving a full, complete confession on camera, walking everyone through the crime scene, taking them to where the body(s) are on camera and so on. Then you start seeing the common pattern of them having busted up faces, limping etc. I know tons of cops in Russia. They get confessions almost every time for major crimes before they got to trial. Do you think that's done by simply asking?
I'm not saying its right or wrong... i'm saying its 100% fact that they fuck people up until they talk and give up the full details of what happened. Saying that can't work or doesn't is totally absurd when its done all over the world, every single day. Police, mafia ... intelligence agencies, secret police.. whoever. It's not like the CIA was the first one to think up the idea of putting someone in a room and fucking them up until they talk... or telling them that their wife is going to get killed or whatever. It's not an original concept that was invented on the battle field yesterday or in someones secret police dungeon yesterday.
The question shouldn't be "Does torture work" - that's fucking retarded. If you know something and i want to get it from you... its easy. I can fuck you up for days, not let you sleep, beat the shit out of you, bust you into pieces until you break down and talk.
The only questions should be "when is it justifiable to apply certain techniques to certain individuals"... but to sit here and suggest that if you know something and i want that information, that there is no way i can get you to give me that information is extremely dishonest.