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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
that's a completely different question than the absurd claim that "torture doesn't work".
that is the debate and what these people keep saying. of course there are plenty of legal, ethical and moral questions. but that has nothing to do with the blanket assertion that capturing someone, throwing them in a tiny room, making them stand in uncomfortable positions, not allowing them to sleep for days, fucking with them mentally, beating the shit out of them, water boarding them etc won't ultimately get them to talk... just as it did with the high level al queda operative in question.
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uh.. no... when people say torture doesnt work its because the negatives surpass the positives... Of course someone can spill the beans if tortured... but can also say a bunch of bullshit like the US soldiers are trained to do (SERE) ... Ironicaly, SERE techniques are also used to get their captives to talk, often talk bullshit, and if the bullshit fits the agenda, it is then used, like it was used, to justify the war in Iraq by linking Bin laden to Hussain... Not aquired by torture but same deceitful mentality, bullshit made by Curveball regarding the WMV program was used the build the case for Iraq... Many other drawbacks to torture can be listed..
So to recap, you have a bunch of liars, using torture and false confessions to justify their agenda, those liars tell you its all good, and you believe them?
I'm also curious how the mastermind of 9/11, amongs many other horrible things, who will be executed in the short future, because of being waterboarded is having a wonderful time being a CIA asset...
I also dont know how to make sense of this:
"In 2005 and 2006, the bearded, pudgy man who calls himself the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks discussed a wide variety of subjects, including Greek philosophy and al-Qaeda dogma. In one instance, he scolded a listener for poor note-taking and his inability to recall details of an earlier lecture.
Speaking in English, Mohammed "seemed to relish the opportunity, sometimes for hours on end, to discuss the inner workings of al-Qaeda and the group's plans, ideology and operatives," said one of two sources who described the sessions, speaking on the condition of anonymity because much information about detainee confinement remains classified. "He'd even use a chalkboard at times"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
"CIA Director Michael Hayden told a Senate committee on February 5, 2008, that the agency had used waterboarding on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.[54] A 2005 US Justice Department memo released in April 2009 stated that Mohammed had undergone waterboarding 183 times in March 2003.[55]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
"The alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks today demanded to be sentenced to death so he could become a martyr, as his trial in Guantanamo Bay began. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-sentence.html 05 Jun 2008