Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

that's a completely different question than the absurd claim that "torture doesn't work".

that is the debate and what these people keep saying. of course there are plenty of legal, ethical and moral questions. but that has nothing to do with the blanket assertion that capturing someone, throwing them in a tiny room, making them stand in uncomfortable positions, not allowing them to sleep for days, fucking with them mentally, beating the shit out of them, water boarding them etc won't ultimately get them to talk... just as it did with the high level al queda operative in question.