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Old 04-25-2010, 09:03 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by Kevin Marx View Post
Yes there are enough laws on the books to question just about anyone about just about anything.

Point: While driving, you are required to have your Driver's License as a means of identification, but primarily to prove you are legitimately allowed to operate a motor vehicle. How is it any different to require a visitor in this country to carry their proper paperwork to identify themselves as well as to prove they are legitimately allowed to be inside the borders of the US? Doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me.

If I got pulled over and a cop asks me for ID, the first thing I do is give it to him. I don't cry injustice and lawyer up. If you aren't breaking the law, what do you have to fear?

ILLEGALS ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. That is the most important thing people neglect. They are already breaking the law. As tame as many think the offense is, it's still a broken law; just like speeding, stealing gum, jaywalking, murder, embezzlement, etc. There are consequences for each.

If they are here legitimately and are harassed, I am all for them wanting to fix the system. I don't however think we should protect the law breakers first and deal with their rights first. The citizens of this country have a right to protect and maintain their citizen base and population base in a responsible manner. Letting the uninvited wander unchecked is a poor way to protect your home.
Here is the basic difference.

To operate a car you have to take and pass at least one test (and probably two if you got your permit before your license) and, like you said, you are required to have it on you if you are driving a car. If you get pulled over then chances are it is for a reason. They saw something and decided to stop you for it. At this point you are suspected of breaking a law (albeit the law could be a lame has not signaling when you turned or having a burnt out tail light) so they ask for you license to make sure you are legally allowed to drive a car. Our laws say that you are required to go though the testing to get a license and you will then need to prove you have done that if called upon to do so.

If you are here in this country legally you need to proper papers to enter the country (and probably for some other things as well) but they shouldn't be required to be displayed just to walk to the corner store or because you are sitting in a local park playing with your kids. Legal immigrants aren't tourists, they are here to stay. The way
I understand the law to be, it would require any legal immigrant to have their papers on them at all times. If they don't they can be arrested. Sure, a cop might be cool with them and drive them home to get the papers, but many won't.

Answer me this. If you were just sitting in a park having a picnic with some friends and weren't causing any trouble and a cop walked up to you and said he thought you were illegally here and wanted to see your ID would you be happy about it?

I agree that we need to do something about the problem and I think this law takes a big step forward by allowing the police to question and contain those who they have probable cause for, but I am worried about anything that requires those who are legal to carry their papers on them at all times.
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