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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
The discussion is about the Russians military capability. Not about Afghanistan (although we could go into that and how they kicked the shit out of the Soviet Union with bolt action rifles and horses.. but i'll not go there)
The reference to Chechnya was simple. Russia threw their entire military at Chechnya for the first war and were forced to withdraw in defeat grant them independence. Simple as that. A band of poorly armed, poorly trained, poorly organized Chechen fighters pushed out the entire Russian military. That's all.
As for terrorism... i'll repeat everything again. You are bringing up shit that happened AFTER the second Chechen war. The premise for the second war was their so called attacks on neighbors, not "terrorism". It evolved into "terrorism" as that became the popular theme and as Chechens actually eventually started committing terrorist acts.
Finally, since you guys want ot keep bringing it up, the difference between Russian and Chechnya and the USA and Afghanistan is that the USA has not been defeated or pushed out of Afghanistan. The USA is rebuilding Afghanistan while dealing with small pockets of resistance that more often than not get crushed every time they come out to play.
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No that is not all. You are stupid and thats the problem. Russians did not use the whole military, if you believe that 70 000 men are the whole russian military, you sir are retarded.
As for the band of poorly armed fighters.. the video I posted shows clearly those are not poorly armed guys. They were supported by Islamic countries and according to Wikipedia, there were up to 30 000 of them, including irregular fighters. Not a handful.
Russia did not succeed the first war as it became unpopular and caused many civillian casualities,
not because they did not have the forces to do it! They could have easily wiped the whole Chechnya if they wanted. It was similiar to what USA did in Vietnam. But in this case, there were ethnic Russians in Chechnya so they also bombed their own people, own land.
I never said that terrorism caused the first war or second war, so you better learn to read. I just said that the terrorists and the Chechen "soldiers" were the same guys.
Claiming there were not terrorist actions during the firsts war?.. you are again wrong, just read the wikipedia:
Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis
The Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis took place from 14 June to 19 June 1995, when a group of 80 to 200 Chechen terrorists led by Shamil Basayev attacked the southern Russian city of Budyonnovsk
Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye hostage crisis
he Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye hostage crisis, known in Russia as the terrorist act in Kizlyar was a guerrilla raid conducted by Chechen separatists in January 1996 during the First Chechen War. It soon turned into a massive hostage crisis involving thousands of civilians.
Lol at the Afghanistan, they had weapons from USA to easily bring down Russian helicopters and once again, its proven that Americans have had troubles getting all the "terrorists on horses" killed after years of occupation.
Now thats all.