Originally Posted by raymor

I used to say something like that. One day I realized a mother with a six month old baby would also have an easier time supporting herself if she killed the baby. That argument is the same whether the child was conceived six years ago or six months ago.

I imagine you don't think it's okay for a mother to kill a baby. So the question becomes whether or not the being kicking inside the mom, that beating heart, is a person. Whether or not mom has to work two jobs doesn't matter a bit if you're talking about killing kids. It just doesn't matter, doesn't pertain to the debate at all, since the question is whether or not it's a kid.

So let's say we decide some unborn baby, let's her "Katie", is NOT a person. If Katie isn't quite a person yet, then killing her isn't quite murder. Are you okay with sort of murdering an almost kid? That got me thinking.

Lastly, if Katie is not anything like a person, jif we say that just because she looks like a person and will be walking and talking doesn't mean she's like a person at all, then it's okay for mom to kill her. In that case it's okay for mom to kill her whether mom is rich or mom is a waitress. So the "welfare" argument, which I used to make, is completely irrelevant.