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Old 04-08-2012, 09:39 PM  
Paul Markham
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The first three posts are amazing.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton View Post
looking at my client base i have to say that many "old school" sites disappeared - people who stuck to the old fashioned paysite model and avoided tubes

on the other hand i have big clients who embraced the tube site model and use them as traffic sources for their paysites

i guess thats why some close down and others grow
With the names of the clients and the sites you shoot for this is useless advice. I fully understand why you can't give it. However let's assume it's Manwin and the site Brazzers. Or similar. They own a lot of the top Tubes and getting huge swathes of trafficfrom other people in the business.

So are they just taking the sales from the people that are closing and are they taking all of them or are some migrating to the free model?

Good short term, crap for the long term.

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Originally Posted by crucifissio View Post
giving away full clips is just conditioning people to get it for free...war of the tubes and content dumpers...breeding an army of freebie surfers...selling penis pills and dating but giving the porn for free...sounds like a long term business model LOL
Agreed. I wrote an article on B&B about The Moving Market. Here is the opening paragraph on that.

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Because the Moving Market is something you can't control. People who stop buying for many reasons, income, trends, culture, disappointment are just a few. In online porn with memberships so short and temptations to no buy so big. It's essential to keep marketing.
When they stop buying because the free option is better, you have even more reasons to increase traffic. Increasing it by offering more free content. Is like slowly dying by taking small doses of poison. However it's a road once started on it's very hard to get off.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton View Post
its a myth that you cant sell premium porn on tubes
That was never the problem with Tubes. Sites can sell memberships off Tubes sites. It's the ratios.

Every day for many reasons some people stop buying porn. They move to the free model as it's it's better for them. The lowest hanging fruit fall from the tree. When they are gone, the problem stays and hits the next level up. And so on it keeps going. How long before Manwin get to feel the pinch? Without access to their figures no one but a few know.
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