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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC
Yeah, government regulation always works in business, ROFL!
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Try reading. I said there is no government regulation, and they don't need to because we're doing a fine job of destroying ourselves.
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Originally Posted by neeko
This debate again?
Paysite sales ARE NOT dead. They are alive and kicking. If you have trouble selling your paysite... get back to the drawing board and tweak your marketing!
How can we still be talking about this in 2012 ?
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Funny comment coming from a guy working for a company who built their empire based on piracy, and who is in fact the largest pirates in the entire industry, who until not too long ago was
paying people to upload stolen content for them.
And I'm sure Brazzers sales are no where near what they were a few years ago.
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Originally Posted by porno jew
yes very surprising that people don't blindly buy paysites with 12 porn dvds inside, or solo girl sites with 6 videos updated last in 2008, or sites loaded up with generic porn movies and paysite tours from 1999.
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Are you even in the business? Seriously.
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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody
The tube site model CAN make you sales but there are many factors involved, like what kind of Tour you have, etc etc etc.
But there's no doubt this AIN'T 2003. Everything is down, across the board.
What will this Industry be like in five years time?
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That's what I've been saying. Of course they make sales. But as you see yourself, and I know you are an active tube submitter, sales are way down, contrary to what the tube site owners and noobs say. You see it with your own eyes. And if you don't, the pirates, tube owners, and trolls will say it is because you have failed. lol
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
I don't agree with you on that. Everyone is blaming their failure/decline on "tube sites" - however, free content was always made available to surfers. The only reason tube sites didn't already exist before 2004 was bandwidth/availability of broadband.
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Free content in terms of short clips and photo galleries is NOTHING compared to 65,000+ free full length videos.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
What laws? To change what exactly?
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Oh, I dunno.... maybe a little thing called 2257 (not holding my breath on that I will note). Change that and user uploaded content is gone overnight, as are most of the tubes and free sites. That is one example off the top of my head.
Why do you think the biggest tubes are all buying tons of content now? They know what will eventually come, and are planning accordingly.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
This is my problem with these discussions. Tube sites with full length videos will NEVER go away.
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You don't know that. You have no idea what is coming around the corner or what Visa rules may come our way, or some child protection law that won't allow free explicit porn at all without a credit card. Point is, none of us have a CLUE what's coming, or not.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
That's where the traffic goes. As long as thats where traffic goes, thats what people will be offering.
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That is where the traffic is today.
The future may be worse or better. None of us know. All we know is TODAY that is where the traffic is.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
Knowing you are a producer, I certainly sympathize with you and the problem of people ripping videos, watermarking them (or not) and re-uploading them to tube sites. This is an industry which has always put little to no emphasis on content protection - even today where its much easier and more options are available and where services are available which will get it removed.
However, people keep failing to understand that just because a video is over 2min doesn't mean it was stolen. Just because videos are 10-15-20 mins... doesn't mean they are stolen. Tons of sponsors and rights owners upload them and even tube sites themselves license content. That's not going to change, long videos aren't going away.
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You are right. But we all know the majority of tube content (on 99% of the tubes) was stolen from somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
Free, full length videos are here to stay. Period. End of story. Either webmasters can learn to live with that fact and work with it, or they die.
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They are here until something changes that makes them go away. Like I posted above, that could be tomorrow or in 10 years, and could come in all sorts of ways. Child protection, 2257, Visa / MC rules, the next SOPA, or what have you.
Something will come after the tubes just as TGPs and MGPs before them. Count on that.
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
It's totally insane to me to see people still talking in 2012 as if tube sites are the problem. The situation more free content was ALWAYS coming. It is here. It is what it is.
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Tubes are A problem. They are not THE problem. THE problem has many faces.
That said, I get traffic from them too. I think the ratios are poor, but it all adds up and I'm happy to get what I can get these days.
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Originally Posted by Robbie
You're missing a little something that I call the "nuclear option" from the govt.
It's something that we have been afraid of since the mid 1990's. It's the reason we had "warning pages" on our tgps (that don't exist on tube sites).
And what I'm talking about is the day that the govt. comes in and says there can be NO pornography that is outside of a protected members area.
And trust me...that day is coming fast with full hardcore scenes everywhere. It's just a matter of time until it causes some religious nut cases in Washington D.C. to decide that the poor innocent children are in danger because of all the sex happening on their computers (of course it's perfectly alright for the kids to see all the violence they want to).
And when that day happens...then you WILL understand that there can indeed be laws to stop free porn completely (at least in the U.S.A., which is the biggest porn market in the world).
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QFT
The internet should not be lawless, just as the radio, TV and print media is not lawless. Right now it is. It's only a matter of time before that comes to a screeching halt and regulation is dropped on our heads. And we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.
I find it hugely ironic that you have a company like Manwin (and the other companies) who will put a warning page on their pay sites to "protect the kids" but have nothing on their tubes exposing children to an endless sea of hardcore porn. That will bite everyone in the ass somewhere along the ride.