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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
Where did Backroom Casting Couch post? Considering how long the topic is it's possible I did miss a reply or two.
ThePornTubeGuy runs one of the tubes and is promoting his own programs to get people to upload content. Of course I'm not going to trust him in the same way I would trust an independent pay site owner. Let's be real.
Like I said I'm mainly looking for objective experiences from people who haven't been defending tubes in the last year or don't own the said tubes themselves. I don't see where that is unreasonable. The idea is that you would think a few pay site owners saw Ruseful's stats and decided to give it a shot and would have made quite a few sales from it. Where are these people? If these tubes are so helpful to the pay sites then this topic should soon be filled with pay site owners praising them. I'm waiting to see it. One way or another let's see what the truth of the matter is.
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Keep waiting because getting good ratios is not going to happen overnight and, frankly, most people won't figure it out because it actually does require an investment of time and energy and most people want a quick fix and a thousand sign ups in a week for no effort at all. Keep waiting because most of those that are successful at it don't want to help you. In fact, they can't wait to see your body floating by in the river of web failure like so many other webmasters. (Sun Tzu once said "victory is seeing the bodies of your enemies floating past in the river").
Peabody gave it a shot because he saw companies like Homegrown and others doing it. I have never seen him kiss Manwin's ass over it either. He seems to have approached it very much like us - cautiously and professionally and forming his own opinion based on his own unique experience. Still, in spite of acknowledging him as a straightshooter you can't take what he says according to your so-called standards of objectivity.
What makes people like Robbie have so much value to what he is saying then? No disrespect to him but he pretty much admitted he only took a very small crack at it, didn't like it, but now is saying not only that he would have to try again, but also started his own tubes, and even turned Claudia's site tour into a tube. So he is in fact a "tube site owner" and I suppose when he starts doing well with it then he will be a kiss ass too?
The sad thing is I am truly trying to help you but you can't hear my advice or anyone else's that has tried offering meaningful and practical business wisdom just because you have this false notion that I am along with others trying to defend Manwin.
Manwin scares me. They should scare everyone. They don't need me to defend them and they don't care if I do or don't. They are running a business. I am running a business. If we can make money together then all is good but that doesn't make us anything beyond what our partner agreement or affiliate terms describe. So quit painting me as some sort of Manwin booster-boy. More often than not they have to put up with us being a squeaky wheel about stuff so they probably consider us like a fly on a horse's ass that has to be flicked away constantly with a whip of the tail.