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Old 09-05-2012, 09:39 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by Robbie View Post
The real question is: Was the number of attempted filibusters a result of Dems shutting the Republicans out of the process and trying to shove through legislation without reaching across the aisle?

Because if they had successfully gotten the Republicans on board then there wouldn't need to be a filibuster. Right?

I read these kind of things and try to figure out how and why they happen. You got to be careful not to put all your faith in either sides propaganda.

Fact is...apparently in the years between 1999 and 2006, the house and Senate leadership did a MUCH better job at reaching across the aisle to Democrats and getting them to compromise instead of filibustering.
I'd say that Reid in the Senate and Pelosi in the House both have shown their huge ego's and unwillingness to work with the other side of the aisle.

If I were Obama I would blame those two clowns first for fucking everything up for him.

Then if I were Obama I would blame myself second for not picking up the phone and twisting some arms. Everybody on BOTH sides have said he does not do that (people like Clinton, Reagan, and even Bush were masters at LEADING by reaching out personally...Obama is horrible at it)
The house and senate leadership on both sides is a major problem.

One of the issues is that when the republicans took back the house in the mid term election many of those seats were won by Tea Party candidates who will not negotiate with anyone including the republicans. In order to make them happy and to be able to count on their votes the republicans have to give into them which is to say they will pretty must just say no to anything the democrats want. That helped drive the divide between the parties.

There was more than one occasion where Obama invited republican leaders to the table with him and they literally got up and walked out in the middle of negotiations. They had a tantrum because they weren't getting their way and the completely disrespected the office of the president. You can only do so much of that shit before they finally just stop dealing with you.

In the end all of the leaders wouldn't budge and I'm sure both sides were pissed off and pointing the finger. In the event that Obama gets elected for a second term hopefully he can pull them all into his office and tell them that they need to do a better job of doing the people's business and worry less about their personal feelings and egos.
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