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Originally Posted by roly
its the same thing
no, they already pay taxes.
well no doubt part of the reason you live where you live is it has decent roads, your kids can go to good schools, you can sleep safely in your house because of a police presence.... etc etc its got to be paid for somehow, and taxation is the means. if you don't like it go and live in a 3rd world shithole where no one pays taxes.
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1- Nope, not the same thing, the statement "they can afford to pay more" gives a supposition that they are willingly or voluntarily doing so. I prefer to pay as little taxes as possible, irregardless of the amount I have earned over the years. Having it taken from you is forceful and involuntary by nature. I'd much rather give my money to charity that intends to use it in distinct manners than have the government forcefully take it from me and wastefully spend it... and in fact take more from the higher dollars I have earned just because they were above a certain threshhold. How is the first dollar of the year I spend on a gallon of milk that different from the dollar earned at the 110k level spent on milk? Is it because I have more dollars available to spend on milk that I therefore need to give it to the government to distribute it on my behalf for the betterment of society? Sounds reasonable right up until you start discussing how the monies are being spent by the govt and by many of the people receiving the assistance.
2- was just a metaphor for theft... paying taxes had nothing to do with it
3- Yes, you are correct. Paid for by taxes. But who's taxes? If I'm effectively paying 20% and my neighbor is only paying 7% due to our earnings, who's actually paying? What if my effective bill is 1million but his is only 17k? In those instances we are not paying the same and therefore your question is... who pays for it? Overwhelmingly, the higher earners and higher tax payers are. Even under a flat tax scenario they would be.
Yes, it's got to be paid for somehow. It is being paid for. It's overwhelmingly paid for by (borrowing mostly, but repayments being made by) the higher earners and on the whole they use less of the services (although road usage and post office usage and military usage is pretty much equal for everyone; just not equally paid for by everyone).