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Originally Posted by Barefootsies
I concede your point that someone coming in new is going to have a harder time developing a full blown traditional affiliate program of paysites from ground zero. But at the same time if they have the cash in the coffers, it can be done assuming they have some level of traffic or can generate some.
Second, you over emphasize the need of them having to do an affiliate program, or their value in the adult industry circa 2013. The old affiliate models is dead, and their are few whales out there any more. The business model for driving sign ups has changed. Affiliate programs learned back around 2007 that paying heavy ransoms to affiliates was killing them even before the credit crunch of 2008. It was talked about at conferences and in seminars. Nothing new there.
All of this being said, the bar has been raised for newbies coming in who do not know shit. That I do agree on. But it does not mean it can't be done, and you can't still make a decent living in adult. Someone can easily start out doing a single clip store of original content, develop a following over a period of time, launch a pay site later, and grow it out from there. It would take time, assuming they did it this way versus what you're talking about as the traditional paysite/affiliate model, but it can be done and they can make a decent living doing it.
That does not mean they will be making millions and living like MTV cribs circa 2001. However, we are talking about a decent wage by comparison to the rest of the world. Someone doing what I just described and making $3-5k/month is making more than 99% of GFY posters doing something they love or want to do. It most places in the U.S. that is decent money to live on.
While I agree you make some good points on a newbie coming in, and what it takes to make it. Not everyone coming in is looking to be the next Manwin with a full blow affiliate program and network of sites. Many are just looking for living wage where they can be their own boss and feed their family.
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In your post, you look like youre implying that i brought up members sites. I didn't. The original poster did, i am responding to his question regarding "member sites". If you look at the original post, you'll see the word members was mentioned multiple times. He also mentioned serious money, 3k is 36k a year. Average. I'd say most people live paycheque to paycheque, so 36k a year is generally paycheque to paycheque so i answered his question with 5k in mind , because thats where i draw the line.I have a feeling he was talking about more than a few k a year given the wording he used.
I never once said paysites or affiliate programs is the route to go or you need one or implied it.
If the question is can a new producer make some money in this industry, sure. Course ? Serious money with no experience and willing to go any route, possible but would still be quite the uphill battle.