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Originally Posted by GrantMercury
I don't watch much TV, but Joe Scarborough sure ain't no liberal and he's on MSNBC every morning. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WILLING TO PUT THEIR BELIEFS TO THE TEST DO. Are you listening TP'ers?
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I don't watch Scarborough, though i've heard halfway decent things about him being somewhat impartial. I'm a little dubious, but I'll check him out
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Originally Posted by GrantMercury
I get that you hate both parties. Who doesn't? But one IS better than the other.
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Yes I do, for a really good reason i'll get to.
"Who doesn't?" srsly Grant? Have you noticed the extreme rabidness of the people who have bought into the Tea Party scam? They're being massively hustled buy a bunch of social darwinists and they have no fucking clue of it.
When I talk irl with most people (dem or rep, not TP), they'll readily agree that both parties are fully corrupt and then they'll just continue on their way with being dem or rep.
TP dupes OTOH, are like religious fundamentalists. Even when you provide them with documented facts that contradict their worldview, it simply can't get inside their bubble.
If one is capable of looking dispassionately and rationally at the situation atm, then yes, the democratic party is much more acting like grownups atm. So sure, atm their steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky. Whoop de fuckin' do.
The reason i 'hate' both parties can be summed up in 3 words: FOLLOW THE MONEY. And that's what 99% of people never no. If they did, they'd abandon both parties in droves, because they'd see that both parties have been whoring this country out for the last 30+ years!!!
98% of Dems and Reps have not served their constituencies for decades. They serve the big money interests that 1) get them elected and 2) get them highly paid employment after they leave government. IT'S CALLED THE REVOLVING DOOR FFS.
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and positive change DOES happen when the people demand it
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Sure Grant, i agree. But when was the last time that happened? Viet Nam iirc. 40 years ago.
Goes without saying. But most of our intentionally dumbed-down population is too busy watching survivor or american idol to give a shit about anything that really matters
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The people can demand clean elections, but don't. The people can insist on a fairer system of taxation, but don't. The people can insist on renewable sources of energy, but don't.
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If you look at polls, the majority of people are in favor of these things, but it doesn't fucking matter. 98% of the whores in Washington don't give a fuck what the people want. They serve their paymasters
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Sure there's tons of dirty money polluting the system - but the people still have the vote - and the lawmakers know it.
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That's wayyyy too simplistic. Especially since the Citizens United ruling. BTW, i'm willing to bet that at least 75% of the people who post in political threads here have no clue what the CU ruling is.
As it stands now, people like the Koch brothers can (and did) donate $100 Million to their candidates.
Think about that for a moment. For regular people to equal what the Koch brothers spent, it would take 2 million mere mortals each scraping up $50 to equal the Koch's 'voice'.
Anyone who wants to debate whether we're still living in a constitutional republic vs a plutocracy, let's go.