Originally Posted by Relentless

We agree most poor people will never move up. Most wealthy people do not move down. So it becomes very important as a society for us to set a floor and ceiling on those economic eventualities. No matter what society you live in, some floor and some ceiling will always exist. My belief is that floor ought to provide poor people with food, shelter, clothing, education, security and distractions. Wealthy people should be able to earn as much as they are able to get and do whatever they want with it *so long as* the needs of the least among us are being met effectively.

Any time you get away from the notion that wealthy people need poor people and poor people need wealthy people... you damage the society and harm everyone in it. The only people who do well in that environment are post-nationalists who are no longer tied to any country and frankly they provide little or nothing for society, so helping them is of no interest to me.