Originally Posted by DWB

I don't know about totally "closed," but for sure, much, much, much more difficult to get into. When the bar became non-existent, that was the beginning of the end and the start of total devaluation of the product. The bar should be very high and you should have to work your ass off to be able to be involved. I'm also in favor of showing up to someone's office with a ball bat if they don't pay you.