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Originally Posted by dyna mo
The church often fell short of its ideals ? which all human things do ? but its ideals were indisputably a great advance for humanity.
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indisputably?
as if those ideals were invented by the Catholic Church - humanity didn't need the church to make advances, the church invented nothing that other civilizations hadn't already developed - obviously the Jews theologically, Christianity began as a peasant sect of Judaism with the same beliefs other than the belief Jesus Christ was the Messiah.
not saying Western civilization didn't advance under the Church, Russian civilization advanced under Soviet rule, social order is needed for progress.