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Originally Posted by dyna mo
you are completely misinformed/uninformed. you don't get that nukes is the term for nuclear technology.
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In the traditional cold-war vernacular, "nukes" was a reference to ICBM-borne nuclear weapons, and not non-weaponized nuclear power generation.
These negotiations are about preventing from Iran developing nuclear weapons (nukes) which they have persistently denied, and, according to the IAEA, were truthful.
The situation reminds me of the WMD weapons inspectors back in the pre-shock&awe invasion of Iraq, where inspectors were saying there weren't any WMDs and so were pulled by the US so Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld could keep making their fear-claims.
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
you are not aware the deal is exactly about iran keeping their nuclear manufacturing capability intact and moving forward to become a nuclear nation. you're the one who stated that this thread is about the dr strangelove like comment she made.
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I was using Dr. Strangelove as a comparison to Bachmann's bullshit assessment of post-nuclear holocaust vindicating her and her warhawk brethren's insistence on ditching diplomacy and blacking out Iran (which would then drive them "underground" and assure war and military nuclear development).
There are many nations that have (peaceful) nuclear power. I don't agree with it, but there you have it. The whole point of the framework agreement/negotiations is to ensure Irans nuclear development remains peaceful.
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
you're the one that doesn't get that this is entirely BO's deal, the dealmakers are in fact john kerry and zarif, with kerry reporting hourly to BO and the other 5 countries going along with BO.
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This is a supposition. The representatives of the other countries presumeably are reporting back to their heads of state in the same way. There is no reason to believe that "BO" is lording it over the negotiation.
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
but what's worse is you don't get at all that the problem here is letting iran have nukes AT ALL. instead of them spending 10s of billions of dollars on nuke manufacturing and ballistic missiles why haven't they sunk that money in solar farms?
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Why haven't we? Why aren't we forcing everyone to "go green"?
Why do you think? Then the super powers and their allies would have to act as... examples? Swap to renewables, shut down nuclear, shut off oil...? Yeah, right.
The US (and friends) recognize nuclear as legit. They want to make sure Iran sticks to "peaceful" nuclear.
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
do you really think the 1 nuke power plant they are capable of building trumps the power they could generate from acres and acres of solar farms in the sprawling wasteland of a desert?
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Iran ain't quite a wasteland but regardless. This is pointless "discussion" - the negotiations are over the nature of Iran's Nuclear - that's it. Don't talk about solar or wind or ocean current power generation. It's not what that is about.
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
but in the hysteria to point fingers at bachmann, common sense gets lost and BO's giving iran the OK to become a nuclear nation is a grandstanding moment.
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Again, Iran becoming a nuclear-power-generating nation (since they already are BTW) is OK in the eyes of the Big Five. It is not hysteria to point at Bachmann's hysterical depiction of nuclear holocaust in the homeland and comparison to the suicide commercial jetliner pilot as being the same thing, and saying that BO is like the killer.
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
inform yourself before pointing fingers.
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So you're saying you agree with Bachmann's analogy in the statement I quoted?
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
here's a framework:
hey iran, torch every single fucking 1 of your nuke facilities and give up your 1000s of pounds of enriched cake and start building solar farms or we don't lift the sanctions. deal or no fucking deal. end of negotiations.
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They only have one that I know of the rest are in development. Ever heard of Pakistan? There are two dozen countries in the world with nuclear energy, and most are more stable than Pakistan or Slovenia - including Iran, btw.
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they are building a ballistic missile program designed around nuclear payloads. they have built a hardened missile-proof bunker loaded with centrifuges. they have lied to the international atomic energy commission on their goals aspirations and accomplishments with nukes, they have denied inspections and misled inspectors, etc, et al, on& on and more.
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The Furdow (?) plant was built because Netanyahu's Israel has had his finger on the trigger against Iran from the start. There is a lot of anti-Iran propaganda in our media that has to be researched and peeled back to be understood. They haven't outright lied, but they have rejected inspection at points because it seems they felt there was no point - no matter what the IAEA found or reported back, the media and hostile governments made WMD/Iraq/Sadam type claims.
But Regardless, Bachmann said a stupid thing. And you haven't said anything about the stupid thing she said. What say you on the stupid thing Bachmann said?
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