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Originally Posted by klinton
Hey man, I watched this Soldier Orange movie and it was kind of funny. Fresh perspective on ww2 for me, yes, but this whole occupation of Holland by Germans with Nazi twist seemed more like a picnic to me. Or more like a dispute among two friends, with one of them being mad (Germans) and other trying to be reasonable with him (Dutch).
German behaviour towards Dutch had nothing in common with Germans behaviour towards Jews, Poles or Russians etc.
Also, I loved, how the "brave" dutch resistance was saying frequently "but its dangerous" lol. Such a resistance...The only brave person in this movie from Dutch people was the Queen, as it says a lot...
Its not what WW2 was about. If you want to watch what WW2 was about, watch some movie about Holocaust (many of them), occupation of Poland/ Soviet Union OR the best movie about Eastern front (and maybe the best movie about wars in general, "apocalypse now" in Russian, not for pussies). "Come and see" / "idi & smotri" is the title, and its the real shit...Especially 2nd part of it. Its on youtube, but i wont post it here, since its very brutal (and honest).
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The Orange Soldier, (Soldaat van Oranje) is another movie, is much older. After the war the writer write a book about the students he went to university with and what happened to them during the war. He went with a small ship to England and returned to fight with the resistance. The group students also had friends who supported the Nazis. I have read some about politics after WW II, the people responsible or helping the nazis got the best positions again in politics .. they hoped for a new period, but that only happened after the 60's.
The Orange Soldier said after the war, "suddenly everyone was in the resistance during WW II, while it was a small group". Look at Ukrain, there also is a big group in favour of Russia. These people also won't resist and help Russia. In Srebrenica former neighbours slaughtered each other.
If there is a war needed between European countries to get Crimea back, it will not be worth it. And most in Crimea support Russians. I for sure wouldn't start fighting. I learned from our Queen that it is saver to stay away.
I haven't heard much about the war from my grandparents, don't talk about it. They lived on the farmer site of Holland and i bet they where not hungry. I only know family gave shelter to a familiy of jews. The father and mother got killed 20 years later in the first terror attack in Holland when people from a former colony hijacked a train in Holland.
Recently i saw a dutch tv serie about one of the richest dutch people after WW II Pieter Menten. Till in 1976 a Dutch journalist exposed where the money came from. Unbelievable how many people helped Pieter Menten and didn't help to get the paintings he collected to WW II back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Menten
Another reason not to get into a war, big change a big % of the people in your land doesn't care or support the enemy. And why should i risk my life for the EU when it goes wrong in Crimea. So i can watch on TV how Merkel makes a deal with Russia for more gas to make more money so Russia can buy weapons to fight us?
I am not falling for that one.