Class C Ips & SERP - GoFuckYourself.com

{Psycho} · 01-02-2011, 03:44 PM

Say u have 20 different niche sites

Is it really necessary for 20 sites to be in 20 different range of Class C Ips for better SEO & SERP ( 1st page 1st 3 spots )

Or can u still achieve SERP ( 1st page 1st 3 spots ) for all 20 sites hosted on 1 single ip ?? ranking for each 20 niche keyword

Guys can anyone explain it

Klen · 01-02-2011, 03:50 PM

I think you can but it's all theory,not proven fact.

01-02-2011, 03:58 PM

if in different niches and you don't do any fancy crosslinking you can do it on 1 IP

but i would put them on 3 or 4 just to be sure if one IP gets banned that not all site on that IP get banned ( which can happen )

WiredGuy · 01-02-2011, 03:58 PM

Is it necessary: No
But it certainly helps.
WG

moeloubani · 01-02-2011, 04:05 PM

You can still get a good position for those sites I think as long as the linking done to them isn't mostly internal from inside the network. I've had sites hosted on virtual servers that have gone to number one for single word terms and it means there was other sites on those servers/IPs but the linking was done from outside.

fris · 01-02-2011, 04:17 PM

no proof to say either way

baddog · 01-02-2011, 08:53 PM

If they are all different niches, I would say different C's would be of little benefit unless there was some kind of interlinking involved. Even then, if you are smart about it, they would not all need to be on different C's.

Dedicated IPs would be more of a concern, IMO.

EVERESS · 01-02-2011, 09:23 PM

It's unfortunate that Many people are still stressing over the C-Class strategy.

Focus on building Good sites the will attain a high Popular Vote ( bookmarkers, lasting visitors, reasons to spend at lot of time at the site).

Google is the fastest and most advanced Entity on the NET. We will NEVER out run it or get beyond it's reach by using such tactics such as spreading out over C-Classes... Name Servers... Registrars ( and all the other petty things SEOs have people chasing after )

Since everyone always wants some type of PROOF I will give you one. Out of respect I will not name the site here but I will lead you to it. There are 2 different domains that rank on page 1 for the term "Lesbian Porn". They are Both - ON THE SAME IP. Do a search for "Lesbian Porn" and you will find them.

In the opinion of my staff... Google does not care what IP or C-Class you are on. Google cares about User Experience/The Popular Vote. If Google sees that a site gets a High Popular Vote... That site will rank High Regardless... and the Example I stated above proves this (to a degree).

Focus on what Google Focuses On - The User Popular Vote. Take your self for example. Do any kind of search. When you find a good site and bookmark it... and repeatedly go to it again and again:

- Do you Care What IP it is on?
- Do you Care What C-Class it is on?
- Do you Care What it's Name Server is?
- Do you Care What Registrar it uses?

No... No... and NO....

No... you don't care about those things... So Why would Google?

To you it is a good site... and Google Will know that you think it is a good site by your activity with it: Repeated visits, long time spent on it.

Bottom line... Build for Users... not for Google. If your site is good. Google Traffic will be along.

baddog · 01-02-2011, 09:53 PM

Nice theory you have there.

d-null · 01-02-2011, 09:53 PM

if it is something you can implement fairly easily and without spending that much, why not do it? it's like not leaving money on the table if you can squeeze a little more performance out of your network with some small steps like spreading things around

and of course some people build sites and networks without taking the effort to spread around the ip and they get a lot of traffic, but maybe if they had things spread around their income would be even higher

EVERESS · 01-03-2011, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-null

if it is something you can implement fairly easily and without spending that much, why not do it? it's like not leaving money on the table if you can squeeze a little more performance out of your network with some small steps like spreading things around

and of course some people build sites and networks without taking the effort to spread around the ip and they get a lot of traffic, but maybe if they had things spread around their income would be even higher

I totally agree if it is easily implemented. But typically it is not... and usually adds a lot of management overhead (especially when it comes to content management ).

It's not so bad if your a programmer and you have unified everything into 1 system. I once ran a network of 47 domains each on it's own IP over 7 C-Classes. Setup was a pain but once it was done it was set.

But after that... think about content deployment... I built a content engine to manage all Titles, Keywords, Descriptions, Pictures, Videos... Links... EVERYTHING all from 1 control panel. No big deal if you have the capital to invest in such a system. But for your average webmaster it would weave a network that would become unmanageable in the long run

Just some things to consider for the future

fris · 01-03-2011, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everess

It's unfortunate that Many people are still stressing over the C-Class strategy.

Focus on building Good sites the will attain a high Popular Vote ( bookmarkers, lasting visitors, reasons to spend at lot of time at the site).

Google is the fastest and most advanced Entity on the NET. We will NEVER out run it or get beyond it's reach by using such tactics such as spreading out over C-Classes... Name Servers... Registrars ( and all the other petty things SEOs have people chasing after )

Since everyone always wants some type of PROOF I will give you one. Out of respect I will not name the site here but I will lead you to it. There are 2 different domains that rank on page 1 for the term "Lesbian Porn". They are Both - ON THE SAME IP. Do a search for "Lesbian Porn" and you will find them.

In the opinion of my staff... Google does not care what IP or C-Class you are on. Google cares about User Experience/The Popular Vote. If Google sees that a site gets a High Popular Vote... That site will rank High Regardless... and the Example I stated above proves this (to a degree).

Focus on what Google Focuses On - The User Popular Vote. Take your self for example. Do any kind of search. When you find a good site and bookmark it... and repeatedly go to it again and again:

- Do you Care What IP it is on?
- Do you Care What C-Class it is on?
- Do you Care What it's Name Server is?
- Do you Care What Registrar it uses?

No... No... and NO....

No... you don't care about those things... So Why would Google?

To you it is a good site... and Google Will know that you think it is a good site by your activity with it: Repeated visits, long time spent on it.

Bottom line... Build for Users... not for Google. If your site is good. Google Traffic will be along.

Totally agree, its these seo hosts that prey on noobs, making them think they need multiple ips across many class's.

not saying they are a bad host, just how they market themselves.

Jack Sparrow · 01-03-2011, 04:41 AM

Seo hosting is a scam.

darksoul · 01-03-2011, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everess

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Your so called proof is a non issue. Theres isn't much argument that states otherwise.
Google stated that its not going to show more than two sites from the same host for a specific keyword just in case that host goes down, in order to assure a quality user experience.
So, if you want to pwn the first page for a certain keyword you will def need more than one ip/host whatever.
Multiple ips are for people that know what to do with them and those alone won't make magic happen.

As about google being the coolest kid on the block it has been proven countless of times that it can be gamed. And as long as thats possible people will do so.

Jack Sparrow · 01-03-2011, 05:42 AM

Ive had 2 sites in the top 3 rank for the most popular keywords hosted on the same server.

darksoul · 01-03-2011, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Ive had 2 sites in the top 3 rank for the most popular keywords hosted on the same server.

and ?, your point ?

cooldude7 · 01-03-2011, 05:55 AM

if 2 or more sites arent targeting for same keyword then they can be on same host., it doesnt matter.

EVERESS · 01-03-2011, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul

and ?, your point ?

His point Negates your statement about Google... when you said Google is "not going to show more than two sites from the same host for a specific keyword".

That should not have to be pointed out to you...

... Unless you're just posting for the sake of Argument.

Jack Sparrow · 01-03-2011, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everess

His point Negates your statement about Google... when you said Google is "not going to show more than two sites from the same host for a specific keyword".

That should not have to be pointed out to you...

... Unless you're just posting for the sake of Argument.

exactly...

fris · 01-03-2011, 07:50 AM

pussy lips

{Psycho} · 01-03-2011, 09:35 AM

Thx for explanation

Went thru all replies

I have over 20 domains ( normal + adult ) in 2 ips and some of them are ranking good in 1st page for a really long time

Thx for all ur time to provide ur views

V_RocKs · 01-03-2011, 11:45 AM

Is it possible to have more than one site on the same IP and rank for a given term in Google?

Yes... Google for Teen TGP... I own several of the results on pages 1 and 2.

01-02-2011, 03:44 PM	#1
{Psycho} Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Money Posts: 612	Class C Ips & SERP Say u have 20 different niche sites Is it really necessary for 20 sites to be in 20 different range of Class C Ips for better SEO & SERP ( 1st page 1st 3 spots ) Or can u still achieve SERP ( 1st page 1st 3 spots ) for all 20 sites hosted on 1 single ip ?? ranking for each 20 niche keyword Guys can anyone explain it __________________ Quality Offshore VPS & Dedicated Servers Earn 65$ per Signups

01-02-2011, 03:58 PM	#4
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01-02-2011, 04:17 PM	#6
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 54,958	no proof to say either way __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

01-02-2011, 09:23 PM	#8
EVERESS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 195	It's unfortunate that Many people are still stressing over the C-Class strategy. Focus on building Good sites the will attain a high Popular Vote ( bookmarkers, lasting visitors, reasons to spend at lot of time at the site). Google is the fastest and most advanced Entity on the NET. We will NEVER out run it or get beyond it's reach by using such tactics such as spreading out over C-Classes... Name Servers... Registrars ( and all the other petty things SEOs have people chasing after ) Since everyone always wants some type of PROOF I will give you one. Out of respect I will not name the site here but I will lead you to it. There are 2 different domains that rank on page 1 for the term "Lesbian Porn". They are Both - ON THE SAME IP. Do a search for "Lesbian Porn" and you will find them. In the opinion of my staff... Google does not care what IP or C-Class you are on. Google cares about User Experience/The Popular Vote. If Google sees that a site gets a High Popular Vote... That site will rank High Regardless... and the Example I stated above proves this (to a degree). Focus on what Google Focuses On - The User Popular Vote. Take your self for example. Do any kind of search. When you find a good site and bookmark it... and repeatedly go to it again and again: - Do you Care What IP it is on? - Do you Care What C-Class it is on? - Do you Care What it's Name Server is? - Do you Care What Registrar it uses? No... No... and NO.... No... you don't care about those things... So Why would Google? To you it is a good site... and Google Will know that you think it is a good site by your activity with it: Repeated visits, long time spent on it. Bottom line... Build for Users... not for Google. If your site is good. Google Traffic will be along. __________________ JR.McLaren ICQ: 649961182 http://www.EVERESS.net

01-02-2011, 09:53 PM	#10
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	if it is something you can implement fairly easily and without spending that much, why not do it? it's like not leaving money on the table if you can squeeze a little more performance out of your network with some small steps like spreading things around and of course some people build sites and networks without taking the effort to spread around the ip and they get a lot of traffic, but maybe if they had things spread around their income would be even higher Last edited by d-null; 01-02-2011 at 09:54 PM..

01-02-2011, 03:50 PM	#2
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,234	I think you can but it's all theory,not proven fact.

01-02-2011, 03:58 PM	#3
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	if in different niches and you don't do any fancy crosslinking you can do it on 1 IP but i would put them on 3 or 4 just to be sure if one IP gets banned that not all site on that IP get banned ( which can happen )

01-02-2011, 04:05 PM	#5
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	You can still get a good position for those sites I think as long as the linking done to them isn't mostly internal from inside the network. I've had sites hosted on virtual servers that have gone to number one for single word terms and it means there was other sites on those servers/IPs but the linking was done from outside.

01-02-2011, 08:53 PM	#7
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,090	If they are all different niches, I would say different C's would be of little benefit unless there was some kind of interlinking involved. Even then, if you are smart about it, they would not all need to be on different C's. Dedicated IPs would be more of a concern, IMO.

01-03-2011, 04:41 AM	#13
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Seo hosting is a scam.

01-03-2011, 05:42 AM	#15
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Ive had 2 sites in the top 3 rank for the most popular keywords hosted on the same server.

01-03-2011, 05:55 AM	#17
cooldude7 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Heaven Posts: 4,306	if 2 or more sites arent targeting for same keyword then they can be on same host., it doesnt matter.

01-03-2011, 07:50 AM	#20
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 54,958	pussy lips __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

01-03-2011, 09:35 AM	#21
{Psycho} Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Money Posts: 612	Thx for explanation Went thru all replies I have over 20 domains ( normal + adult ) in 2 ips and some of them are ranking good in 1st page for a really long time Thx for all ur time to provide ur views __________________ Quality Offshore VPS & Dedicated Servers Earn 65$ per Signups

01-03-2011, 11:45 AM	#22
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,368	Is it possible to have more than one site on the same IP and rank for a given term in Google? Yes... Google for Teen TGP... I own several of the results on pages 1 and 2.