Stop bit torrent piracy with inconvenience?

[DamianJ]

Seems that 25% of the files on the pirate bay are not what they appear to be.

Fake video files are being posted by the media groups.

Fake software files are being posted by malware folk.

The idea, and I like it, is to make it just too much of a pain in the arse to use the pirate bay. What if 50% of the files you try and download are not what they purport to be? You'd get pretty pissed off soon enough.

Obviously, bit torrent piracy is only a very very very small subsection of copyright infringement, but if it pushes a few people over to a pay model, then that is great.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-are-fakes.ars

Would be very very easy to flood porn piracy places with these fake files, but obviously companies involved wouldn't make as much as they do with the legal blackmail model currently being championed.

[TheDA]

That's what's been happenning to me, I've been trying to get some software off there for ages now and they are all duffs.

[TheDoc]

Outside of direct theft from Websites, Torrents are the next biggest source of piracy online - for software, games, movies, etc - not porn. People using public trackers, will have problems and it will get worse. People using private trackers have requirements, they aren't going to have near as many problems, if any.

If your torrent search doesn't return what you like... try a different search engine.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Outside of direct theft from Websites, Torrents are the next biggest source of piracy online

Citation needed.

I would put usenet and private ftp sites above torrents. But that is 'pulling it out of my arse' maths. Do you have anything to back up your claim, or are you just guessing and stating is as fact?

[u-Bob]

I've been saying it for years... fake torrents, fake trackers (filled with ads and popups), fake rapidshare forums,...

[Agent 488]

already being done and exploited.

ps: torrent traffic on the decline but no way usenet/private ftp exceeding torrent traffic atm.

[Lassitor]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Seems that 25% of the files on the pirate bay are not what they appear to be.

Fake video files are being posted by the media groups.

Fake software files are being posted by malware folk.

The idea, and I like it, is to make it just too much of a pain in the arse to use the pirate bay. What if 50% of the files you try and download are not what they purport to be? You'd get pretty pissed off soon enough.

Obviously, bit torrent piracy is only a very very very small subsection of copyright infringement, but if it pushes a few people over to a pay model, then that is great.

Would be very very easy to flood porn piracy places with these fake files, but obviously companies involved wouldn't make as much as they do with the legal blackmail model currently being championed.

I went to a media production convention last year where mid-size studios talked about how the combat ThePirateBay and other bittorrent sites by uploading files that have the same name as the film they produced, same size and length, but only allow the first 2 minutes of the file to be viewable then they distort the rest of the video with a message telling the viewer where to legally buy the video.

They said it works because the bittorrent downloaded gets frustrated with only finding bogus films and gives up. They claim it has increases sales greatly. They also said they create many variants for uploads to the bittorrent servers so that the chances of a downloader getting one of their distorted films is very high.

[MrBottomTooth]

That might fool some people, but experienced users will go to the "trusted" uploaders with the skulls beside their names. (I think it is basically a rep system they have in place)

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

This only works against idiots, and even the idiots learn quickly if they intend on continuing to download. Certain search strings, double checking the contents of the torrent prior to download, trusted release groups, read the comments prior to a big download.

9 out of 10 times on TPB, you can avoid downloading junk simply by reading the first few comments on the torrent. Avoiding RARs is another good way if you're downloading video.

This isn't like Napster or where you could just upload static mp3s and drive downloaders crazy.

[Anthony]

Private trackers are becoming more prevalent.

[Dwreck]

What's a private tracker? Example please.... I like to learn one new thing a day..

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Dwreck

What's a private tracker? Example please.... I like to learn one new thing a day..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorr...ivate_trackers

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Private trackers are becoming more prevalent.

yes, and at a lot of those you can buy credits.... So those people are willing to pay for a certain product...

That's something a lot of people in this industry fail to realize... not all torrent users are freeloaders... some of them are willing to pay for a product or service they value.

[pornguy]

Hire an attorney first. You will most likely get sued and they will win.

[Agent 488]

lol why would you get sued for seeding a fake file ...?

[woj]

not a bad idea, but it's not as easy to pull off as you make it sound, so you seed a fake, few people download it, and then guess what happens? someone posts "fake!" and then it's all over... and those users aren't buyers anyway...

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Citation needed.

I would put usenet and private ftp sites above torrents. But that is 'pulling it out of my arse' maths. Do you have anything to back up your claim, or are you just guessing and stating is as fact?

Forums are the biggest source of piracy online.. They feed, seed, everything - from newsgroups, torrents, tubes, etc... Forums rip paysites, entire member areas, zero minute ripped as the sites update - every site that's worth a crap, every bit of content they have.

Piracy tubes don't download all our shit every day from all the hell over, that's crazy. They pull it from single sources, forums. Which is why same scenes get re-pirated, over and over - it was simply scrapped again.

That's just the really private/group forums (and every group, has a forum).. they actually feed user forums, based on request/demand. Some of these forums are so large, they can crash gallery boxes that can normally take the load of all the traffic sources of our industry, but not a single Piracy forum.

Piracy is what I started in, it's what has made me the most money, about 90% of all the money I've made is through Piracy traffic. I know which sources were big and dried up and I know what's hot today.. And today it's still the best way to build lists on the Internet...

[Paul Markham]

Is the time spent doing this worth the end result?

It's about business and profit. As I see it it would need a lot of effort to sustain and how many of the downloaders would just go to Tubes for their free porn?

Piracy pisses me off because it's ultimately someone making a profit form mine or other producers hard work. But stopping piracy won't bring back the millions of lost customers we pissed off over the years. That will only be done by tailoring the product to fit their needs 100%.

Anything short of it these days will just mean a boost in Tubes traffic and a slight increase in sign ups. Customers have options these days and they are making the one that suits them best.

I was lucky enough to make my money in the days when the customer had to buy and was treated like a customer and not a mug to fleece.

Credit to Damian, he's thinking of ways to stop piracy.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Piracy is what I started in, it's what has made me the most money, about 90% of all the money I've made is through Piracy traffic. I know which sources were big and dried up and I know what's hot today.. And today it's still the best way to build lists on the Internet...

It's strange when scum actually boast about making money from others hard work.

How would he feel if we pirated his work?

As pissed off as those being pirated from.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's strange when scum actually boast about making money from others hard work.

How would he feel if we pirated his work?

As pissed off as those being pirated from.

It's stranger when you open your mouth like you know what you're talking about.

I produce my own content, I've pirated my own content from day one... I wouldn't pirate your content, nobody would click on it.

I've made more from piracy in the last 15 years than you've made your entire time in this Industry - that should probably piss you off.

[RycEric]

http://www.peermediatech.com/services.html


They "leak" fake torrents with 10K seeders/leechers and a 5mb file. Yeah.. that always works.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Forums are the biggest source of piracy online.. They feed, seed, everything - from newsgroups, torrents, tubes, etc... Forums rip paysites, entire member areas, zero minute ripped as the sites update - every site that's worth a crap, every bit of content they have.

Piracy tubes don't download all our shit every day from all the hell over, that's crazy. They pull it from single sources, forums. Which is why same scenes get re-pirated, over and over - it was simply scrapped again.

That's just the really private/group forums (and every group, has a forum).. they actually feed user forums, based on request/demand. Some of these forums are so large, they can crash gallery boxes that can normally take the load of all the traffic sources of our industry, but not a single Piracy forum.

Piracy is what I started in, it's what has made me the most money, about 90% of all the money I've made is through Piracy traffic. I know which sources were big and dried up and I know what's hot today.. And today it's still the best way to build lists on the Internet...

Indeed.. 'one-click' forums are far easier to use then say yEnc and NNTP. Usenet has always had problems with the propagation of files... thus the need for all those CRC's and micro file splitting.

[Slutboat]

Have you read what torrent site owners are claiming about the new agressive anti-piracy measure of suing torrent users? They are calling it BLACKMAIL!!!

BLACKMAIL
BLACKMAIL
BLACKMAIL

that is the pirates pathetic mantra to try to fend off this existential threat to thier existence.

Intersting that the OP of this thread has the exact same mantra...

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by woj

not a bad idea, but it's not as easy to pull off as you make it sound, so you seed a fake, few people download it, and then guess what happens? someone posts "fake!" and then it's all over... and those users aren't buyers anyway...

WOJ!!!!

[borked]

Forgive my naive question, but the major mainstream studios are facing piracy from DVD copying and/or pre-DVD leeching? Adult studios are facing downright theft from downloading then uploading to torrent.

Naive maybe but that's how I see it - so why is removing the obvious leak in pirating - ie the downloading, a problem? Why do so many people still scream "cos our members demand it". Is it your members or you pirates that demand it? If a member can see a stream and it's good quality why does he need to download it?

I just get the impression that people's examples of a "good stream" is a long way away from what a "good stream" actually is....

Either it requires a big frikken brick to the face of some content delivery people, or I'm really naive. I don't care btw to be naive, if someone can prove my argument wrong....

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

I've been saying it for years... fake torrents, fake trackers (filled with ads and popups), fake rapidshare forums,...

Yeah because that doesn't open a legal can of worms.

[Slutboat]

Not a bad idea? It's a fucking stupid idea that is proven not to work.

Hell Madonna was doing this back in the Napster days are you guys kidding me?

Suing torrent users is working, this thread is just a lame attempt by the biggest cheerleader the pirates ever had, just Damians weak attempt to seem anti-piracy.

[seeandsee]

there are "trusted" members on such sites and you can do a shit to stop them posting all real shit

[borked]

Call it a shameful plug if you want, but people really interested in a pirate-free solution, please get in contact with me by email. There is an app in the pipeline that atm is purely tube-based but will extent easily to member0site based and then to VoD-based. The people using it live are 100% happy with it and it will be released as a commercial package very shortly.

I can't stand this whining of pirating when the entire industry does FA to protect itself against it... those that actually care do protect themselves - for the rest let them die.
/rant

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by mafia_man

Yeah because that doesn't open a legal can of worms.

how? why?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's stranger when you open your mouth like you know what you're talking about.

I produce my own content, I've pirated my own content from day one... I wouldn't pirate your content, nobody would click on it.

I've made more from piracy in the last 15 years than you've made your entire time in this Industry - that should probably piss you off.

So where's your paysite?

Easy to blurt out now that you upload your own content. Now show us where it came from.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by borked

I can't stand this whining of pirating when the entire industry does FA to protect itself against it... those that actually care do protect themselves - for the rest let them die.
/rant

Whining is all most can do. Coming together to fight the pirates as one is far beyond us. Adapting to a new environment is also beyond us.

Protecting content will only work if you have something unique. If it's something 1,000 other sites and DVDs have. Then it's like a little boy trying to plug a leaking dike with his fingers. He can only plug 10 leaks and there are 1,000s of others.

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

how? why?

It depends. If you are just uploading dummy files then it probably won't.

But if you upload something that affects that persons computer then they'll sue you.

Anyway this whole argument is moot. If you upload dummy files then the person will comment and the file will be dropped for one that is real.

Stupid idea, been tried before and fails.

[jimmycastor]

dudes, i have a #1 ranking for a specific freefilehoster + porn, it brings me in 2k/daily seo and 1000$ on one blog in autopilot
the other part i seed fake torrents on 2 seedboxs and spread them on all open trackers, it brings me another 1000$ /month for 8h/work a week. im a lazy bitch, i could do much more but i have another project.
sometimes i think i should engage some filipinos to do nothing but this and get rich, but its hell of a boring work. i cannot understand anyone setting up tubes or tgps nowadays where you have to wait for clickthru traffic on some dating site and burn gigabytes of traffic before you barely get a sale.

those torrents and free filehosters take the traffic and all you have to do is to make the spread terrabytes of crap, fakes so they loose credibilty .

also theres no comparasion to tube because i cannot jerk off to a tube video when resolution is crap and i bet lots of guys cant so they need the files.

lots of you guys have terrific traffic networks, if youll invest some links in "free rapidshare" free hotfile fake stuff ill bet you could overrun some of those forums in google ranking quit.
those forums are afraight of having their files deleted so they mostly do not allow paysite episodes named and encode them , if you compete with
paysite name + rapidshare and have some good aged domains, you have a good chance to get good rankings and youll see some traffic coming in

enough radio talk for today
..

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Seems that 25% of the files on the pirate bay are not what they appear to be.

Fake video files are being posted by the media groups.

Fake software files are being posted by malware folk.

The idea, and I like it, is to make it just too much of a pain in the arse to use the pirate bay. What if 50% of the files you try and download are not what they purport to be? You'd get pretty pissed off soon enough.

Obviously, bit torrent piracy is only a very very very small subsection of copyright infringement, but if it pushes a few people over to a pay model, then that is great.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-are-fakes.ars


Would be very very easy to flood porn piracy places with these fake files, but obviously companies involved wouldn't make as much as they do with the legal blackmail model currently being championed.

have you been looking for gay porn films again, and found what you downloaded was not that gay army film you wanted?

[jimmycastor]

you did not try hard enough
2 years ago piratebay wasnt barely moderated, youll could make 3-4k just in posting fakes
for 2hours a day
unfort those days are over

Originally Posted by mafia_man

Stupid idea, been tried before and fails.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So where's your paysite?

Easy to blurt out now that you upload your own content. Now show us where it came from.

It's Paysite(s)... and they are locked away from little affiliates like yourself that only bitch about others rather than being productive in this Industry.

Btw - we're the big dick content kings.. been doing it online before anyone else.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's Paysite(s)... and they are locked away from little affiliates like yourself that only bitch about others rather than being productive in this Industry.

Btw - we're the big dick content kings.. been doing it online before anyone else.

So no proof. OK

I'm not an affiliate and posting the link won't hurt you. Just ignore the little affiliates.

Scared to post a link I suspect.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So no proof. OK

I'm not an affiliate and posting the link won't hurt you. Just ignore the little affiliates.

Scared to post a link I suspect.

Hehehe, proof... I don't really care if you think I've ran or still run, sites/programs, content, etc. Hell, I don't care if you think I pirate other peoples content and make money on it.

And yes, posting your programs/sites here, for people like me and you - hurts our business. I've had people/affiliates on this forum drop my program that converted for them perfectly fine, because of what an "employee" said in a political thread - let alone what I've said.

The cool cats, that don't argue, don't post in political threads, don't get in heated debates over gibberish - don't have anything to worry about. The rest of us... do. Hell, I can't even go to another forum with that the fucking admin asking me to play nice or they'll kick me off - BEFORE - I ever post... I've been playing this game a long ass time, hell I'm not stupid either, because of what I say on here - I Do Not Share shit with you people.

I haven't promoted a paysite/program that I have interest in on this forum or any public place related to this Industry in 4 years - I don't plan on starting with you.

P.S. I don't even list my clients on my service sites OR on gfy. In private only, on request only, with a limited amount of people. Why? Read above.....

[kane]

Several years ago Madonna used this system pretty effectively. She was pissed that her new album had leaked online a week before it was for sale so her record label flooded the various sites (this was back when P2P was the big thing) with fakes. When you downloaded it and played it all you got was a recording of Madonna saying over and over "What the fuck are you doing?"

[Archivist]

we need to find a way to shut down the tubes

[czarina]

I'm in, let's do it!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

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So many don't post here because they don't want people to know what big shots they are.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Archivist

we need to find a way to shut down the tubes

If there was a way to shut down illegal Tubes, like a drastic change in the DMCA laws and EU copyright laws, we would still suffer from legal Tubes giving away content in ever increasing amounts.

A law on no explicit 2257 required content outside members area might work if it was enforced stringently. No one wants that kind of Government enforcement.

Years ago people said giving away too long or too hard clips. Now affiliates swear blind the more content you give away the more sign ups the industry gets. Either people for years were talking rubbish or people today are talking rubbish. Logic says the more you give away the less people need to buy.

There is no magic bullet or law that will stop piracy or free porn taking customers away from pre recorded average porn. Even top quality porn sites are suffering. The industry needs to adapt or many will die and in the end even the big guys like Brazzers will shrink. The entire structure of selling relies on a customers willingness to buy. Start losing that and you are where we are today.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by jimmycastor

dudes, i have a #1 ranking for a specific freefilehoster + porn, it brings me in 2k/daily seo and 1000$ on one blog in autopilot
the other part i seed fake torrents on 2 seedboxs and spread them on all open trackers, it brings me another 1000$ /month for 8h/work a week. im a lazy bitch, i could do much more but i have another project.
sometimes i think i should engage some filipinos to do nothing but this and get rich, but its hell of a boring work. i cannot understand anyone setting up tubes or tgps nowadays where you have to wait for clickthru traffic on some dating site and burn gigabytes of traffic before you barely get a sale.

those torrents and free filehosters take the traffic and all you have to do is to make the spread terrabytes of crap, fakes so they loose credibilty .

also theres no comparasion to tube because i cannot jerk off to a tube video when resolution is crap and i bet lots of guys cant so they need the files.

lots of you guys have terrific traffic networks, if youll invest some links in "free rapidshare" free hotfile fake stuff ill bet you could overrun some of those forums in google ranking quit.
those forums are afraight of having their files deleted so they mostly do not allow paysite episodes named and encode them , if you compete with
paysite name + rapidshare and have some good aged domains, you have a good chance to get good rankings and youll see some traffic coming in

enough radio talk for today
..

what kind of fakes you share? just like promo clips?

kudos for thinking out of the box!

[Allison]

I do believe a poorer experience will be frustrating to the end user. Even the "This file has been removed" is a frustrating experience. Maybe not as frustrating as going through the process of downloading something to find out it's not what you want, but I'm sure end-users aren't enjoying the experience as much as more content owners enforce their rights.

http://hotfile.com/dl/47391052/2d163...Lexus.rar.html

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Allison

I do believe a poorer experience will be frustrating to the end user. Even the "This file has been removed" is a frustrating experience. Maybe not as frustrating as going through the process of downloading something to find out it's not what you want, but I'm sure end-users aren't enjoying the experience as much as more content owners enforce their rights.

http://hotfile.com/dl/47391052/2d163...Lexus.rar.html

So lead the way and employ a few people to upload fake files or trailers with lots of adverts strung together. Then report back on the result.

It needs all the industry to do a concerted effort to make this work.

Or the free loaders will free load some one else's content.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So lead the way and employ a few people to upload fake files or trailers with lots of adverts strung together. Then report back on the result.

It needs all the industry to do a concerted effort to make this work.

Or the free loaders will free load some one else's content.

That's BRILLIANT Paul, you listen to him Al! If only you would, you know, start some kind of committee or task force against piracy rather that sit on your arse and post on the board all day....

Oh hang on, you already did!

Paul, this is possibly the most amusing public fail you've made for sometime! Well done, Sir!

[Paul Markham]

As opposed to all your public fails. LOL

[Paul Markham]

At least I'm a success at what I do. Rather than a failure.

100 sets for $1,000 works fine.