ccbill could you explain what causes a join form submission percentage of 200%

[SwirlsGirl]

What causes a 200% join form submission for the day?

just curious about this bizarre stat. Is there a rational explanation for this stat?

I would really love to hear how it is possible to add 100% more gasoline to my tank when it is already at 100% capacity?

Oh by the way contacted your rep and of course he had ZERO clue as to what would cause this.

multiple choice options...

a. glitch
b. bug
c. inaccurate stat
d. accurate stat
e. figment of my imagination
f. our worst fear confirmed
g. Other


please chime in with your letter of choice for possibilities...remember ccbill reps were clueless about causation for this stat...so I ask my gfy community for help in resolving this "bizarre" stat.

[CCBill Paul]

If a customer lands on your CCBill join form it is counted as a form hit in the Form Hits report. Once a customer fills out the form and hits submit it is counted as a Form Submission in the report. If the same customer submits the form multiple times it is possible that you can have a percentage over 100% as there will be more submissions than actual hits.

This is rare but if someone is declined or enters information incorrectly it is completely possible that they submit the form more times than they actually load it.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

If a customer lands on your CCBill join form it is counted as a form hit in the Form Hits report. Once a customer fills out the form and hits submit it is counted as a Form Submission in the report. If the same customer submits the form multiple times it is possible that you can have a percentage over 100% as there will be more submissions than actual hits.

This is rare but if someone is declined or enters information incorrectly it is completely possible that they submit the form more times than they actually load it.

I hope people are paying very close attention here....

you are stating that this is very rare.... I have it documented 3 times already this year so how rare is that...

So in essence you are stating that is in fact "possible" to add 100% more gasoline to my tank when it is already at 100% capacity?

If my form was submitted every time it was loaded then in my universe based on math and logic...the join form percentage would be at most 100%

100% submissions means 100% of the join form loads resulted in submissions...

how can 5 visits resulting in 5 submissions be anything other than 100%

So answer this direct question for me....is a 200% join form submission an "accurate" stat

If you say yes it is an "accurate" stat then explain how your explanation is totally opposite of your rep who said clearly that 200% is "INACCURATE"

So the question becomes is it ACCURATE or INACCURATE...because if you say it is "INACCURATE" then the next logical question is how do we know the other stats columns like approvals and submissions are not "INACCURATE" as well?

If you say that this is an "ACCURATE STAT" then how can it be accurate when anything above a 100% join form submission percentage tells us fools that the join form was submitted more times than it was even loaded!

[SwirlsGirl]

Again, is a 200% join form submission an accurate stat?

I suspect this is one of those direct questions that you prudently can not or will not answer.

Just a simple yes or no...is this an accurate stat?????????????

[CCBill Paul]

I am sorry I should have explained it better. It is certainly possible to have a join form submission without a form hit, after the initial form hit takes place. So yes, it is accurate. If someone is declined or forgets to enter their CVV2 number and they hit submit the form will refresh with an error. This is not considered a form hit but may be considered multiple form submissions.

I apologize that the rep you talked to may have given you bad information, I will certianly look into that! If you would like to discuss this further please contact me.

[12clicks]

when your one surfer for the day hits your join form and submits it twice, your usual 1 a day submission becomes 2.
200%

not sure what you expect to get from CCBill by badgering them about a pointless issue but you sure look dopey doing it.

[Bladewire]

I just saw this pic on google images when searching the term crazy people and I had to share. I don't think you're crazy swirlsgirl I just think this pic is odd and had to share it.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

I am sorry I should have explained it better. It is certainly possible to have a join form submission without a form hit, after the initial form hit takes place. So yes, it is accurate. If someone is declined or forgets to enter their CVV2 number and they hit submit the form will refresh with an error. This is not considered a form hit but may be considered multiple form submissions.

I apologize that the rep you talked to may have given you bad information, I will certianly look into that! If you would like to discuss this further please contact me.

Hey Paul I just gave you the benefit of the doubt, and just tried 3 seperate times to submit the join form.

Each time I purposely letf out the cv2 number like you said the screen/form did in fact turn white and said "processing"

after processing the join the first time the join form returned with the following error" You already have a membership" This is weird because it was a bogus name and the cv2 space was left blank.

did it a second time and changed to another bogus name...submitted form...form said "processing" and the error returned said...."you already have a membership"

submitted it a 3rd time with real credit card info and still left cv2 number blank...and it returned an error "card declined by bank"

Do you not have an error that would say..."cannot complete this transaction because cv2 number is missing"

why would the join form be submitted for approval when it is filled out incompletely? Wouldn't you want the software to wait until the form is filled out properly (all fields filled in) BEFORE.....you submit the form to the bank?


GUESS WHAT ELSE...... after doing multiple submits from same form as same customer....there WAS NO 200% JOIN FORM SUBMISSIONS percentages....

The submission percentage was only 30%...this shows that even with multiple submissions from same person...one should not be getting submission percentages above 100%

So again the question was not answered logically, intelligently, or correctly, and as usual your answer to a direct question has afforded even more questions then before.

nice try

also nice try for you idiots that can't see something is a miss...I am not crazy or paranoid, quite the contrary let me take a break and go down to eat my lunch...

I will eat 200% of my steak after I consumed 100% of it!

Why would form be submitted when incomplete...and why would I get errors saying I already have a membership???

[CCBill Paul]

I have just put through enough declines on your signup form to increase your submission percentage to over 100%. I simply went through the process and used a bad card to submit the form multiple times.

The percentage is a ratio of submissions to form hits, each time a form is submitted it is not necessarily counted as a form hit.

I am honestly not sure why you received the errors that you did. I submitted your form with the CVV2 missing and I was asked for it straight away.

I have also noticed in my testing that the error within your signup form button code still exists that we talked about a few weeks ago. Let me know if I can help you with that.

[iSpyCams]

Are you sure those stats are in real time?

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Hey Paul I just gave you the benefit of the doubt, and just tried 3 seperate times to submit the join form.

blah blag blah

What part of "It is certainly possible to have a join form submission without a form hit, after the initial form hit takes place." do you not understand? You don't want every load of that join form to be counted as a hit or it will inflate your join page hit count. You want that number as accurate as possible so you can see how effective you're tour is at pushing the surfers to the join form... Since you don't count every join form load as a hit, then you can of course have > 100% submissions when they fuck up and do it a few times.

Of course there's no reason why CCBill couldn't track initial form hits, initial submissions and resubmissions to tighten up the stats, but that's a different issue.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

I have just put through enough declines on your signup form to increase your submission percentage to over 100%. I simply went through the process and used a bad card to submit the form multiple times.

The percentage is a ratio of submissions to form hits, each time a form is submitted it is not necessarily counted as a form hit.

I am honestly not sure why you received the errors that you did. I submitted your form with the CVV2 missing and I was asked for it straight away.

I have also noticed in my testing that the error within your signup form button code still exists that we talked about a few weeks ago. Let me know if I can help you with that.

You will want to see my response to this...unfortunately I have to leave the office but rest assured...the answer you have provided is unacceptable.

Those of you who think this is fun, glamorous, and rewarding completely mistake my motives, as well as my intellect...

Stay tuned this will get interesting

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

You will want to see my response to this...unfortunately I have to leave the office but rest assured...the answer you have provided is unacceptable.

Those of you who think this is fun, glamorous, and rewarding completely mistake my motives, as well as my intellect...

Stay tuned this will get interesting

Trust me, no one reading this has mistaken your intellect.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

You will want to see my response to this...unfortunately I have to leave the office but rest assured...

You do know that we've had your house wired and monitored for quite some time and right now we can see that you actually HAVEN'T left your home office. You are still click clacking away at your computer while sipping your Gordons gin.




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one of us ~ ~ ~ ~ one of us ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ one of us ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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[The Heron]

Swirlsgirl you're sounding pretty stupid right now, even I can figure out how you end up with those numbers it's not hard or even unexpected.

[NaughtyRob]

CCbill is da' bomb ass shiznit' yo.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by The Heron

Swirlsgirl you're sounding pretty stupid right now, even I can figure out how you end up with those numbers it's not hard or even unexpected.

Enlighten me please.... if its so easy and so normal to come up with numbers lime that...then why would the ccbill rep say its certainly not normal or accurate. Furthermore I have polled a few webmasters and no one has seen these before.

So please just explain to me how this happens, if you can do it in a clear and articulate manner that would be wonderful!

Whenever you have the time...thanks

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

I have just put through enough declines on your signup form to increase your submission percentage to over 100%. I simply went through the process and used a bad card to submit the form multiple times.

The percentage is a ratio of submissions to form hits, each time a form is submitted it is not necessarily counted as a form hit.

I am honestly not sure why you received the errors that you did. I submitted your form with the CVV2 missing and I was asked for it straight away.

I have also noticed in my testing that the error within your signup form button code still exists that we talked about a few weeks ago. Let me know if I can help you with that.

You know Paul I have always had an affinity for truth. Truth is not something that solicits, it is something that can be very elusive but when it is found it is unshakeable.

I do not enjoy challenging you in this manner, I do not reap any rewards, however somebody must sit here and ask questions when things don't add up.

I can take the ridicule, jokes, besmirching and so forth...from the people who misunderstand my motives.

What I can't take is you coming in here and stating on record multiple times something that is 180 degrees different from what your own ccbilll reps have already explained.

This is not the first time, and each time you come in and apologize on your reps behalf and claim they gave us bad information.

In 6 years of business we have only had a handful of days, I mean a handful of days where we ended up with a join form submission of 100% for the day!

Anyone who studies these stats would be delighted with a 100% join form submission percentage for the day.

So several months back when I saw my first 150% join form percentage I thought it was strange, and chalked it up as a glitch.

when I had another 200% join form submission I started asking questions and polled a few other webmasters who said they never saw a stat like that.

I could not confirm if anyone else had a stat like that, so I figured lets call our best buddies at ccbill and ask if this is normal or a glitch.

Of course the ccbill rep said that having a join form percentage over 100% certainly was inaccurate and he would have to talk to a tier 2 tech because he had never heard of a join form submission going over 100%.

All I wanted to know was what kind of error would cause this. Very simple question and of course no answer was provided.

So I come to gfy and ask if anyone can explain what would cause this suspiciously HIGH join form percentage of 200%

Normally when ccbill can't answer a question you come to gfy and get it answered by others...right no problem yet right...we are just asking questions.

Well Paul into the thread walks yourself, and you say definitively that it IS RARE BUT POSSIBLE to have this kind of join form submission percentage...then you provide a scenario in which this may be plausible...you claim that if there are multiple submissions by the same person this can happen...possibly by someone not filling out the form entirely missing cv2 number,etc....

So at this point I was willing and did give you the benifit of the doubt! I really did, I said well let me go and try to do some multple submissions of my own join form to see if what Paul says about a 200% join form submission percentage has merits....

So I go to my join page, I enter a bogus name and I leave the CV2 field purposely blank!

I press submit and I get the following..."you currently have a subscription and are unable to sign up"

I thought surely must be a mistake because it was a bogus name I entered, and I even left the cv2 field blank..

So I entered a new bogus name and left the cv2 field blank again...I pressed submit and once again got this...." You currently have a subscription and are unable to sign up"

Very well thats 2 join form submissions with bogus names resulting in an error that says "you already have a subscription and are unable to sign up"

So I think the 3rd time is a charm.. on the 3rd try I entered hubbys cc and billing info into the form...once again I leave the CV2 field blank and press submit....

The page went white and returned this error..."CARD DECLINED BY BANK...PLEASE TRY ANOTHER CARD"

Well the problem here and if anyone is paying attention was that all 3 occasions the CV2 field were left blank, and after pressing submit there was no corrective prompt asking to add the CV2 details....

So now I have even more questions than originally. You came in here to gfy and said you submitted the form and left the CV2 field blank, and then was prompted by the join form to "add" CV2 number before form can be submitted.

This is a MAJOR FUCKING DISCREPENCY ..... Why would my own form submissions process the transaction and give me different errors when I purposely left CV2 field blank...but when you submit my join form and leave the CV2 field blank, according to you you could not submit the form until you entered the CV2 number...

I mean this is fucking ridiculous.... I a masking about 200% join form submission and as we comb thru the possible cause we both attempt the same join form submission and get two completely different results...

I mean would you like to see a screenshot of the decline error...that clearly shows the CV2 field being empty and the form still being submitted???:

Because now in addition to my curiosity about a 200% join form submission, I am now wondering why my join forms are being allowed by ccbill to be submitted when the form is not even filled out completely!!!!

CONTINUED BELOW (RAN OUT OF SPACE)

[SwirlsGirl]

So you claim the opposite..l.if you are being honest, and I am being honest about the form behavior how can this be???

So now as usual I set out on a quest to have 1 question answered directly,completely,and logically, and in my pursuit of an answer, I get even more questions then I had to begin with.. this is always seems to be the case...

Others talk to you as if you are God, and are beyond reproach... I take the position that you work for me, and not the other way around....and therefore I have a right to not have to settle for incomplete,vague, or elusive answers to my direct questions!

So back to the 200% join form submissions.... you also came on GFY and told the world that you ran a bunch of test submissions with a bad card, and ran my join form percentages way over 100%

There is no other word to describe this other than a BALD FACED LIE... I understand protecting the companies image, and doing damage control..that is also part of the job of public relations....but now you saying that you ran my percentages way past 100% with such ease has sort of backed me into a corner!

I checked my admin all throughout the day, and at NO TIME WERE MY JOIN FORM PERCENTAGES over 100% like you claimed!

So now I am wondering why you would make such a statement publically on GFY that was simply FALSE...

I have three separate screen shots that show even with your 10 test sign ups the join form percentage NEVER WENT OVER 100%.....PERIOD

I tried it myself because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, I have the screen shots...from yesterday , and I have 3 other screen shots showing join form percentages over 100%

I don't know what else to say here... I certainly want to believe you are sincere....but you came in and completely made a 100% false statement about racking my join form submission percentages up way over 100%

Hell thats all I wanted to know in the first place was what causes this to happen...your ccbill rep could have said...."well that happens when a customer submits too many times"

your rep did not say that he said it was and I quote..."thats definitely INAACURATE"

Now where have I heard that before???? So I asked you directly if a 200% join form submission is accurate...your answer was "YES" that is accurate.

You also indicated it was very rare but certainly possible...if it is so rare why do I have at least 3 instances within the past few months 2 within the past week!

If you examine your own post in this thread you said and I quote..."it is certainly possible to have a form submission without a form hit"

Its like which came first the chicken or the egg.... for their to be a submission does the join form have to first load???

For the join form to first load doesn't there have to be a "form hit"...

for there to be a form hit doesn't there have to be a click on the form?

So without a form hit, without a form load, how do we arrive at a form submission??

Look I am trying to get an answer that makes sense... I am rational, I am reasonable....you show me definitively that join form percentages over 100% are routine and normal than we have no issue

It sad that most of you would just "ACCEPT" without challenge, without question what these reps say, and just discount and besmirch what I say...even when I have good reason, for the questions I raise...

I am not the gfy black sheep....I have rad at length the posts of dozens of others over the years who have jumped ship in total frustration because they could not get a straight sufficient answer from you guys.

So this whole attempt to act like this is all my imagination, my own misunderstanding it works for a little while, but in the end I have truth on my side.

I never have fabricated any question,issue,complaint, I have always attempted to ask tough direct questions, and get accused of everything under the sun.

I wish that when I look at my stats they would just appear acceptable... I wish it was 3 years ago, when my stats were consistent,concise, and accurate.

With all that's been said, I still would like to know why if you ran my join form submission percentage way up past 100% like you told the world you did, why was I not able to verify this on my end?

Furthermore why was my INCOMPLETE JOIN FORM submitted , and according to you...your incomplete join form was not submitted??!?!?

Why would I get a denial that says you already have a membership when it was a bogus name???

Why would I get a denial that says try another card when the join form was not filled out completely??

DO I have to start screen shooting, and video taping every single report, transaction, telephone call...to illustrate the run around and confusion I am afforded when trying to get a straight answer???

So fucking what you get a handful of supposed webmasters to come in and say all is fine..sales are rocking...blah blah blah......that does not invalidate any one of my questions, or concerns.

7 out of my last 8 sign ups came from non ccbill processors.... and you sit there acting as if its all in my head that something is not right.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

So you claim the opposite..l.if you are being honest, and I am being honest about the form behavior how can this be???

So now as usual I set out on a quest to have 1 question answered directly,completely,and logically, and in my pursuit of an answer, I get even more questions then I had to begin with.. this is always seems to be the case...

Others talk to you as if you are God, and are beyond reproach... I take the position that you work for me, and not the other way around....and therefore I have a right to not have to settle for incomplete,vague, or elusive answers to my direct questions!

So back to the 200% join form submissions.... you also came on GFY and told the world that you ran a bunch of test submissions with a bad card, and ran my join form percentages way over 100%

There is no other word to describe this other than a BALD FACED LIE... I understand protecting the companies image, and doing damage control..that is also part of the job of public relations....but now you saying that you ran my percentages way past 100% with such ease has sort of backed me into a corner!

I checked my admin all throughout the day, and at NO TIME WERE MY JOIN FORM PERCENTAGES over 100% like you claimed!

So now I am wondering why you would make such a statement publically on GFY that was simply FALSE...

I have three separate screen shots that show even with your 10 test sign ups the join form percentage NEVER WENT OVER 100%.....PERIOD

I tried it myself because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, I have the screen shots...from yesterday , and I have 3 other screen shots showing join form percentages over 100%

I don't know what else to say here... I certainly want to believe you are sincere....but you came in and completely made a 100% false statement about racking my join form submission percentages up way over 100%

Hell thats all I wanted to know in the first place was what causes this to happen...your ccbill rep could have said...."well that happens when a customer submits too many times"

your rep did not say that he said it was and I quote..."thats definitely INAACURATE"

Now where have I heard that before???? So I asked you directly if a 200% join form submission is accurate...your answer was "YES" that is accurate.

You also indicated it was very rare but certainly possible...if it is so rare why do I have at least 3 instances within the past few months 2 within the past week!

If you examine your own post in this thread you said and I quote..."it is certainly possible to have a form submission without a form hit"

Its like which came first the chicken or the egg.... for their to be a submission does the join form have to first load???

For the join form to first load doesn't there have to be a "form hit"...

for there to be a form hit doesn't there have to be a click on the form?

So without a form hit, without a form load, how do we arrive at a form submission??

Look I am trying to get an answer that makes sense... I am rational, I am reasonable....you show me definitively that join form percentages over 100% are routine and normal than we have no issue

It sad that most of you would just "ACCEPT" without challenge, without question what these reps say, and just discount and besmirch what I say...even when I have good reason, for the questions I raise...

I am not the gfy black sheep....I have rad at length the posts of dozens of others over the years who have jumped ship in total frustration because they could not get a straight sufficient answer from you guys.

So this whole attempt to act like this is all my imagination, my own misunderstanding it works for a little while, but in the end I have truth on my side.

I never have fabricated any question,issue,complaint, I have always attempted to ask tough direct questions, and get accused of everything under the sun.

I wish that when I look at my stats they would just appear acceptable... I wish it was 3 years ago, when my stats were consistent,concise, and accurate.

With all that's been said, I still would like to know why if you ran my join form submission percentage way up past 100% like you told the world you did, why was I not able to verify this on my end?

Furthermore why was my INCOMPLETE JOIN FORM submitted , and according to you...your incomplete join form was not submitted??!?!?

Why would I get a denial that says you already have a membership when it was a bogus name???

Why would I get a denial that says try another card when the join form was not filled out completely??

DO I have to start screen shooting, and video taping every single report, transaction, telephone call...to illustrate the run around and confusion I am afforded when trying to get a straight answer???

So fucking what you get a handful of supposed webmasters to come in and say all is fine..sales are rocking...blah blah blah......that does not invalidate any one of my questions, or concerns.

7 out of my last 8 sign ups came from non ccbill processors.... and you sit there acting as if its all in my head that something is not right.

Just for all of us following along at home... Can you just explain in a little more detail please? Ths is fascinating stuff. Thanks

[SwirlsGirl]

Just an update to Preemptively strike a blow to Paul K....as I am posting this he is currently running about 7 test transactions...I have about 7 denial emails from him saying insufficient funds....

He is hoping to show since he committed himself yesterday that he can run my percentages up at will by submitting in rapid fire mode a bunch of test transactions...

Now pay close attention....

even if he is able to run the percentages up which still remains to be seen....

the important million dollar fact here is that on the occasions that I have join form submissions over 100% there was not a stream of denials, declines, or email of any type saying a customer submitted too many times...

Think about that real deeply and also think about what makes people attack and call names when you are making a valid point...when you cannot defend your point with facts, you result in distraction, name calling,etc..

as of now my join form submission is at 350% and he used according to him a bad card.

I have 14 denial emails in my inbox.... so what happened to the "You have submitted too many times email" that goes out to my customers when they submit multiple times

also I want to know why my form was submitted yesterday 3 different times with incomplete details, and why he claims the form would not submit for him when left incomplete

[SwirlsGirl]

Furthermore if it so easy and transparent that your join form submission can superficially be ran up to way over 100%....why could the ccbil rep not say well yes but a customer would have to submit many times.

Yesterday he claimed he ran it up way past 100% and it never happened...today he has his method of racking up the percentages working very well.

If these submission percentage numbers can be made to shoot up and be artificially HIGH....

then wouldn't logic dictate that what goes up must come down...couldn't someone or something also make these submission percentages UNUSUALLY LOW??

[SwirlsGirl]

this is definitely interesting... AHAH yesterday when Paul made multiple submissions each submission was counted as a form hit....

at one point after he did his tests the form hits were 14 and submissions were 14 which gave a join form percentage of 100%

So for some reason unbeknown to me today he was able to submit multiple times and the form hits did not changeexcept for his one hit.

So today he submitted multiple times with 1 form hit....

yesterday he submitted multiple times with multiple form hits for apparently each submission..

So maybe we are getting somewhere....why yesterday were each submission counted as a form hit...but today he was able to do multiple submissions with one form hit....

Lets figure that out, and I think we will have a conclusion....yesterday multple submissions from multiple form hits.....today multiple submissions from 1 form hit

What did you do differently today from yesterday regarding submissions?

[Agent 488]

you are insane.

[CCBill Paul]

I would be happy to help answer any questions that you have. I do not think discussing matters of your account here are doing much good and probably just adding to the confusion. My contact information is below. I have sent you numerous emails but they usually go unanswered so I am not sure if you receive them or not.

Thank you and my apologies for all of the troubles.

[spunky99]

why do u still use ccbill if u think they're scamming u somehow?

[iSpyCams]

It seems from your other threads that you just generally don't like the fact that somebody is making money off of your joins by providing processing.

I wonder how you feel about paying your other bills?

[magicmike]

Okay, what the fuck happened in this thread?

[12clicks]

If I owned CCBill I'd give you until the end of the month to take your join a day and get lost.

[TheDA]

I'd have to agree with Spunky.

I get the impression you do not trust of CCBill, not just from this thread, others too. Why do you stick with them?

[Agent 488]

i'd trust ccbill more than a group of black men with their snakes out.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

If I owned CCBill I'd give you until the end of the month to take your join a day and get lost.

As would I because he's posted multiple threads bashing ccbill over the past.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Blah blah blah

For the join form to first load doesn't there have to be a "form hit"...

for there to be a form hit doesn't there have to be a click on the form?

So without a form hit, without a form load, how do we arrive at a form submission??

Blah blah blah

You Sir, are a moron. Do you even know how the internet and browsers work? Here are instances where join form hits may NOT be counted.

- The user hits the back button.
- The user refreshes the page but their browser has it cached.
- The user's ISP caches page.
- CCBill does a "reload" on failure and doesn't count those as hits.

10 actual hits, 10 submissions + 5 resubmissions for failures = 150%.. Simple fucking math. Idiot.

[EDepth]

How many sales a day are you pushing?

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You Sir, are a moron. Do you even know how the internet and browsers work? Here are instances where join form hits may NOT be counted.

- The user hits the back button.
- The user refreshes the page but their browser has it cached.
- The user's ISP caches page.
- CCBill does a "reload" on failure and doesn't count those as hits.

10 actual hits, 10 submissions + 5 resubmissions for failures = 150%.. Simple fucking math. Idiot.

And we have a winner!!!!

[SwirlsGirl]

sticks and stones may break my bones but gfy cowards will never hurt me

what is interesting is how many of you suggest I am a confused idiot, who is out of line off base, and insane...but heres the irony...all of you masquerading faggots follow my posts...and chime in with insults...

I mean if someone was such a deplorable person constantly babbling utter horseshit...why do you dick heads hang on to my every post...and come in with your cheap shots..

aren't you exposing yourself as moron followers? Aren't you being hypocrites?

None of you seem to have issues with your stats.... but you take things far more personally than even ccbill or paul K himself...

If you are not effected and you are getting 200 sales a day why the hell are you even wasting your time in my threads...

that is mighty peculiar to me how you can be such polished and professional ass kissers and co signers...you guys are hillarious

If I am so wrong and off base but you follow my threads...you offer no perspective that would explain whats being observed but you offer plenty of high school insults...grow the fuck up and try and remain professional

It would be real easy to go round and round with insults I have creativity in that department but would rather have my questions answered with fact and logic.

So with all the insults do I get an answer about how I can submit a join form without a CV2 field being filled in and it result in a declined transaction

but when Paul K submits a join form without CV2 number he gets prompted to fill in the CV2 number before form will submit?

Thats what I thought when you start asking the right questions they release the wolves in desperation.

So all of you who are reading this at home please note that in history when people have spoken DANGEROUS TRUTHS and asked DANGEROUS QUESTIONS they were always pelted and bombarded with the most vile and disgusting insults...history repeats itself.

I'll be all the bad names you can think of...but guess what questions are not going away are they....whos laughing now bitches..LOL

[carzygirls]

after all this swirlsgirl... why oh why aren't you using nats yet?

c'mon... you will never get your answer. People will always love ccbill.

Just imagine Nats coupled with your own merchant account and even cascading to some other billers...

All this time you are trying to figure out low stats could be spent on cutting big ass checks to your affiliates

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

So all of you who are reading this at home please note that in history when people have spoken DANGEROUS TRUTHS and asked DANGEROUS QUESTIONS they were always pelted and bombarded with the most vile and disgusting insults...history repeats itself.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

blah blah blah

So with all the insults do I get an answer about how I can submit a join form without a CV2 field being filled in and it result in a declined transaction

blah blah blah

That wasn't the question of this thread... That's a different issue... And, quiet frankly the answer to that question should be obvious.. No CVV2 SHOULD be declined.. You couldn't even get your question right in this post.

Your original question has been answered and yet you're not woman enough to admit that you were wrong and apologize to CCBill for being such a moron and ranting at them in this thread. Maybe you should have your husband deal with these things since you're clearly too stupid.

[nickutis]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

So you claim the opposite..l.if you are being honest, and I am being honest about the form behavior how can this be???

So now as usual I set out on a quest to have 1 question answered directly,completely,and logically, and in my pursuit of an answer, I get even more questions then I had to begin with.. this is always seems to be the case...

Others talk to you as if you are God, and are beyond reproach... I take the position that you work for me, and not the other way around....and therefore I have a right to not have to settle for incomplete,vague, or elusive answers to my direct questions!

So back to the 200% join form submissions.... you also came on GFY and told the world that you ran a bunch of test submissions with a bad card, and ran my join form percentages way over 100%

There is no other word to describe this other than a BALD FACED LIE... I understand protecting the companies image, and doing damage control..that is also part of the job of public relations....but now you saying that you ran my percentages way past 100% with such ease has sort of backed me into a corner!

I checked my admin all throughout the day, and at NO TIME WERE MY JOIN FORM PERCENTAGES over 100% like you claimed!

So now I am wondering why you would make such a statement publically on GFY that was simply FALSE...

I have three separate screen shots that show even with your 10 test sign ups the join form percentage NEVER WENT OVER 100%.....PERIOD

I tried it myself because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, I have the screen shots...from yesterday , and I have 3 other screen shots showing join form percentages over 100%

I don't know what else to say here... I certainly want to believe you are sincere....but you came in and completely made a 100% false statement about racking my join form submission percentages up way over 100%

Hell thats all I wanted to know in the first place was what causes this to happen...your ccbill rep could have said...."well that happens when a customer submits too many times"

your rep did not say that he said it was and I quote..."thats definitely INAACURATE"

Now where have I heard that before???? So I asked you directly if a 200% join form submission is accurate...your answer was "YES" that is accurate.

You also indicated it was very rare but certainly possible...if it is so rare why do I have at least 3 instances within the past few months 2 within the past week!

If you examine your own post in this thread you said and I quote..."it is certainly possible to have a form submission without a form hit"

Its like which came first the chicken or the egg.... for their to be a submission does the join form have to first load???

For the join form to first load doesn't there have to be a "form hit"...

for there to be a form hit doesn't there have to be a click on the form?

So without a form hit, without a form load, how do we arrive at a form submission??

Look I am trying to get an answer that makes sense... I am rational, I am reasonable....you show me definitively that join form percentages over 100% are routine and normal than we have no issue

It sad that most of you would just "ACCEPT" without challenge, without question what these reps say, and just discount and besmirch what I say...even when I have good reason, for the questions I raise...

I am not the gfy black sheep....I have rad at length the posts of dozens of others over the years who have jumped ship in total frustration because they could not get a straight sufficient answer from you guys.

So this whole attempt to act like this is all my imagination, my own misunderstanding it works for a little while, but in the end I have truth on my side.

I never have fabricated any question,issue,complaint, I have always attempted to ask tough direct questions, and get accused of everything under the sun.

I wish that when I look at my stats they would just appear acceptable... I wish it was 3 years ago, when my stats were consistent,concise, and accurate.

With all that's been said, I still would like to know why if you ran my join form submission percentage way up past 100% like you told the world you did, why was I not able to verify this on my end?

Furthermore why was my INCOMPLETE JOIN FORM submitted , and according to you...your incomplete join form was not submitted??!?!?

Why would I get a denial that says you already have a membership when it was a bogus name???

Why would I get a denial that says try another card when the join form was not filled out completely??

DO I have to start screen shooting, and video taping every single report, transaction, telephone call...to illustrate the run around and confusion I am afforded when trying to get a straight answer???

So fucking what you get a handful of supposed webmasters to come in and say all is fine..sales are rocking...blah blah blah......that does not invalidate any one of my questions, or concerns.

7 out of my last 8 sign ups came from non ccbill processors.... and you sit there acting as if its all in my head that something is not right.

so what exactly happened?

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Hey Paul I just gave you the benefit of the doubt, and just tried 3 seperate times to submit the join form.

Each time I purposely letf out the cv2 number like you said the screen/form did in fact turn white and said "processing"

after processing the join the first time the join form returned with the following error" You already have a membership" This is weird because it was a bogus name and the cv2 space was left blank.

did it a second time and changed to another bogus name...submitted form...form said "processing" and the error returned said...."you already have a membership"

submitted it a 3rd time with real credit card info and still left cv2 number blank...and it returned an error "card declined by bank"

Do you not have an error that would say..."cannot complete this transaction because cv2 number is missing"

why would the join form be submitted for approval when it is filled out incompletely? Wouldn't you want the software to wait until the form is filled out properly (all fields filled in) BEFORE.....you submit the form to the bank?


GUESS WHAT ELSE...... after doing multiple submits from same form as same customer....there WAS NO 200% JOIN FORM SUBMISSIONS percentages....

The submission percentage was only 30%...this shows that even with multiple submissions from same person...one should not be getting submission percentages above 100%

So again the question was not answered logically, intelligently, or correctly, and as usual your answer to a direct question has afforded even more questions then before.

nice try

also nice try for you idiots that can't see something is a miss...I am not crazy or paranoid, quite the contrary let me take a break and go down to eat my lunch...

I will eat 200% of my steak after I consumed 100% of it!

Why would form be submitted when incomplete...and why would I get errors saying I already have a membership???

Hot site. What's the name of the song in the 2010 promo?

[CurrentlySober]

I filled in fake info and a bogus CC number. Did not include CVV2 number - Agreed to terms and conditions.

Hit join - Screen span (Processing)... 10 / 15 secs later I get the screen above.

HTH

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I filled in fake info and a bogus CC number. Did not include CVV2 number - Agreed to terms and conditions.

Hit join - Screen span (Processing)... 10 / 15 secs later I get the screen above.

HTH

Thank you so kindly for your help, as we now have documented 4 different errors when individuals have submitted an incomplete form in the very same manner....

Now my head is really beginning to spin

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by Tempest

That wasn't the question of this thread... That's a different issue... And, quiet frankly the answer to that question should be obvious.. No CVV2 SHOULD be declined.. You couldn't even get your question right in this post.

Your original question has been answered and yet you're not woman enough to admit that you were wrong and apologize to CCBill for being such a moron and ranting at them in this thread. Maybe you should have your husband deal with these things since you're clearly too stupid.

Take what you said and stick it up your mothers dick!

either you mis typed or you are abot.....my fucking point exactly if CV2 is missing it should be declined...so why do I have another webmaster submitting the form with missing cv2 data, and bogus names and getting approvals...answer that fuck nugget

I hate talking to stupid bots....

[cooldude7]

f. our worst fear confirmed

[Agent 488]

whoa there! an error message when incorrect cc number was entered! proof of a conspiracy!!

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Take what you said and stick it up your mothers dick!

either you mis typed or you are abot.....my fucking point exactly if CV2 is missing it should be declined...so why do I have another webmaster submitting the form with missing cv2 data, and bogus names and getting approvals...answer that fuck nugget

I hate talking to stupid bots....

What the hell are you talking about? The post with the screen shot? It wasn't approved, it was declined. Are you on drugs over there or something?

[redwhiteandblue]

Guess we won't be getting any more SwirlsGirl vs. CCBill threads...

Greetings friends, it is with great regret that we have to end our ccbill sponsored affiliate program. There has been plenty going on behind the scenes, and without getting into too much detail we have decided to stop using ccbill as a billing option. In the near future it is our hope to possibly relaunch our affiliate program with a different biller, but for now we have to suspend this option. If you have further questions or would like additional information please don't hesitate to contact us. We really thank you for your support and dedication over the years, and sincerely hope that this action we have taken has little to no effect on your success and prosperity in this business. Sincerely, Sara Swirls

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

Guess we won't be getting any more SwirlsGirl vs. CCBill threads...

removed from join page as well... Sweet!

[Agent 488]

moved on to zombaio. soon the threads will resume.