Fed up with ccbill affiliate programs. What is going on?

[Si]

I'm just about ready to give up on ccBill affiliate programs.

Where the hell have the sales gone?

[TheSenator]

Uggg....CCBill used to be 100 a day for me, now it is just half.

[Si]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Uggg....CCBill used to be 100 a day for me, now it is just half.

I was never a huge ccbill affiliate, but I used to make enough from them on the side kinda thing. But this year has absolutely sucked!

The main program I use has been doing between 1:1000 / 1:1400 for 2 years straight. This year is at 1:4400

[DWB]

My sales are all over the place regardless of the processor so I can't really point the finger anywhere. I can only say that sales patterns across the board for me have been extremely up and down, as a small site owner and an affiliate.

[SwirlsGirl]

Well use your fucking brain and common sense and call them out! I see shady, questionable stats from all processors I use!!!...and when I ask a direct question I get run around, intelligence insulting answers.

What the fuck do we expect when we place people other than our selves on OUR FUCKING CASH REGISTERS TO COLLECT OUR FUCKING MONEY IN A MOTHER FUCKING DEPRESSION its not rocket science people.

I have screen shots, print outs etc.. of conflicting fucked up stats..l.I am sick of it and whats even more sickening is most of my adult community has zero balls to call out, or zero intellect to see when they are being screwed!

carry on with your non existent sales...while you send click after click to a billing company as they absorb credit card number after credit card number..

cigarreet sales, are not down, liquor sales are not down...and with all the depressing news more and more people need an escape from this madness so sales should be booming!

What other outcome could there be when someone is making 10% of your sale to "process" your money in your absence...sooner or later greed will set in and the 10% you pay them to collect will not be enough to cover there gambling debts....then they hire nerdy fat 400 lb security programmers to write shave code

don't pay this post any attention its the alcohol talking

P.S. they are not as clever as they think they are

[dropped9]

Threads are starting to become more common.

[marlboroack]

I can only CCBill and Epoch because of my Traffic source.

[BVF]

build a brand, establish a fan base, and ride out the storm....Even WAY back in the day, I knew that I needed to build the brand of BVF so that customers became a fan of ME....Then I, the STAR, would bring in new co-stars in every week...

[BV]

Sales are down this week everywhere, not just CCBill.

[Pseudonymous]

Ever think the the decrease in sales and conversions are due to you guys using the same programs? You guys talk about what your conversions were a year or two ago, which is absurd to compare to. Why? A paysite makes the most money when it is a new product, over time, the majority of paying customers have paid and cancelled and the content can be found across the web, due to theft. It's not CCBill's fault that your conversions and sales have decreased. Try consistently finding new programs to signup to and keeping things fresh

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Ever think the the decrease in sales and conversions are due to you guys using the same programs? You guys talk about what your conversions were a year or two ago, which is absurd to compare to. Why? A paysite makes the most money when it is a new product, over time, the majority of paying customers have paid and cancelled and the content can be found across the web, due to theft. It's not CCBill's fault that your conversions and sales have decreased. Try consistently finding new programs to signup to and keeping things fresh

Hello we are in a global depression...do not think banks..billing companies are immune...they are the ones on most of our fucking cash registers....before they allow themselves to go out of business they will generate revenue from somewhere...

banking - requires no creativity or innovation
producing content - requires skill,dedication,talent,etc

customers have the money...producers have the content...banks and billing companies have the merchant accounts and gateways.... customer wants content....

billing companies have cleverly inserted themselves in between us the producers, and the customers who have the money....

we allow 3rd party FOR PROFIT companies to collect our funds in our absence...let that settle in for a minute

when sales begin to diminish for us...how in the holy hell do you expect those senior management banking and billing company execs to continue to pay their gambling debts?? or "other" habits??? the money has got to come from somewhere...

You producers will always have something customers want...someone somewhere will always want to buy what you have...however if you have a billing company with no oversight...not even letting you know how many clicks you get to the join page...then what else could you expect in this recession???

Don't tell me my content is dead...I have one of the largest if not the largest followings in my niche...people still want the content and I have been doing it for 6 years...

I offered a direct merchant account sign up option for my surfers for the last week of march...and it out performed my 3rd party processors 5 to 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I whole heartedy reject the notion of dead sales...only DEAD WITH 3RD PARTY billing!!!!!!

WHat else is sad is that so many of you lurk here and will not cosign but you will sit back and say damn that is the truth....

3rd party is the necessary evil that is killing us...think outside the box...think think think

What would you do if you were late on your mortgage and you were working on someone elses cash register??? You would skim a few dollars so your kids are not living on the street!

[Tempest]

Oh look SwirlsGirl in a ccbill thread spewing out her drivel.

[BV]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Hello we are in a global depression...do not think banks..billing companies are immune...they are the ones on most of our fucking cash registers....before they allow themselves to go out of business they will generate revenue from somewhere...

banking - requires no creativity or innovation
producing content - requires skill,dedication,talent,etc

customers have the money...producers have the content...banks and billing companies have the merchant accounts and gateways.... customer wants content....

billing companies have cleverly inserted themselves in between us the producers, and the customers who have the money....

we allow 3rd party FOR PROFIT companies to collect our funds in our absence...let that settle in for a minute

when sales begin to diminish for us...how in the holy hell do you expect those senior management banking and billing company execs to continue to pay their gambling debts?? or "other" habits??? the money has got to come from somewhere...

You producers will always have something customers want...someone somewhere will always want to buy what you have...however if you have a billing company with no oversight...not even letting you know how many clicks you get to the join page...then what else could you expect in this recession???

Don't tell me my content is dead...I have one of the largest if not the largest followings in my niche...people still want the content and I have been doing it for 6 years...

I offered a direct merchant account sign up option for my surfers for the last week of march...and it out performed my 3rd party processors 5 to 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I whole heartedy reject the notion of dead sales...only DEAD WITH 3RD PARTY billing!!!!!!

WHat else is sad is that so many of you lurk here and will not cosign but you will sit back and say damn that is the truth....

3rd party is the necessary evil that is killing us...think outside the box...think think think

What would you do if you were late on your mortgage and you were working on someone elses cash register??? You would skim a few dollars so your kids are not living on the street!

You're so fucking retarded. Explain to us how a 3rd party biller can skim your sales? You think they are taking the customers money and giving them access to your site and not paying you? or what?

How could they do that and not get caught?

Do you even know how to read your log files and see who is looking at your content on YOUR SERVER?

Or do you think they are cloning your site on a secret domain and giving them access to it?

If that was the case and it's of the scale you think it is, you would have found out by now.

If you are so paranoid that you believe they are skimming your sales, WHY don't you get your own Merchant Account and put your mind to rest?

The fact is you are a cook and everyone knows it. Even all the lurkers here who you think are on your side silently cheering you on.

Do me and everyone else here a favor and go get a job at McDonalds or something.

[blackmonsters]

All sales have dropped for me, but it is true that CCBill sales for me this year
are basically non-existent.

[Fat Panda]

ccbill fucking sucks...sales come in random waves...there 1990 stat interface is fucking pathetic

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by SAC

ccbill fucking sucks...sales come in random waves...there 1990 stat interface is fucking pathetic

They've upgraded it, have they not?

[AmeliaG]

I am 1:1,244 for CCBill affiliate program upsell so far this year.

SpookyCash converts better than that on the CCBill side; that is only my ratio for other folks' programs I promote.

[Jakez]

Don't let Aprils sales fool you.

[iamtam]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

They've upgraded it, have they not?

yeah, up to 1997.

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I am 1:1,244 for CCBill affiliate program upsell so far this year.

What does that mean exactly?

[2MuchMark]

Why rely on affiliates?

Take some of your money and test other ways of marketing your sites such as PPC or social networking. While you're at it, test multiple tours, multiple sign-up pages and maybe even multiple pricing. And really, come on - blaming your processor for low sales? That's just lazy.

[Rochard]

My sales are all over the place no matter if it's CCBill or not.

However, the good part with CCBill is when someone drops out of site I don't have to worry about getting paid.

[mikesinner]

I pretty much make $100/month with cbill using regurgitated blog posts that are over 2 years old. same old programs.

[Qbert]

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Ever think the the decrease in sales and conversions are due to you guys using the same programs? You guys talk about what your conversions were a year or two ago, which is absurd to compare to. Why? A paysite makes the most money when it is a new product, over time, the majority of paying customers have paid and cancelled and the content can be found across the web, due to theft. It's not CCBill's fault that your conversions and sales have decreased. Try consistently finding new programs to signup to and keeping things fresh

Best post in this thread so far.

CCBill programs make up the largest part of my monthly income. I made more money last month than any month since I got back into the biz in '03.

Same traffic sources as before? Yes, mostly. But I've busted my ass over the last two years increasing my traffic by about 20%

Promoting the same sites? Some are the same, but many are not. Constantly looking for and adding new, pushing more or less traffic to existing as performance dictates.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

[rock-reed]

Okay, but when they attack the car---Save the Radio.

[INever]

For anyone not in a Maserati right now, it's all woulda coulda shoulda at this point.

Whether in or out of a Maserati, hope you have enjoyed the ride. I think the collective next stop is over the Falls.

[sojproductions]

this week compared with last week is down about 35%... it sucks, that damn roller coaster!

[faxxaff]

Been doing well with CCBill in Apirl, but May is a bad month. However, May is usually a very poor month for sales, historically .... so lets wait for June and July :-)

[SomeCreep]

Someone should write a song about tube sites.

[Kolargol]

SwirlsGirl - do you think CCBill doesn't process sales or you think they do process more sales than they reveal in your stats? First option means they make less money (less sales). Second option means you have members having access to your paysites and they are not in your stats. Both options seem pretty unlikely.

Regarding few sales from CCBill - most programs (including mine) pay for secondary processor sales (eg cascade: CCBill > Epoch) - that means that Epoch sales suck too, right?

[Si]

Originally Posted by BV

Sales are down this week everywhere, not just CCBill.

This week? I am talking this year TOTAL.

I usually have a bad february, then it picks back up. But this year february died and it has been dead since.

[AdultKing]

If it wasn't for statsremote I would go nuts with ccbills lousy interface. Why cant I simply log in and get a report by url of where my clicks come from ? All this breakdown report crap shits me. Not to mention the fact that most times I request a ccbill report I get an XML error and the report wont load, a few tries later it works.

[Si]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If it wasn't for statsremote I would go nuts with ccbills lousy interface. Why cant I simply log in and get a report by url of where my clicks come from ? All this breakdown report crap shits me. Not to mention the fact that most times I request a ccbill report I get an XML error and the report wont load, a few tries later it works.

I get that error a lot aswell

[rayadp05]

I think it depends on the type of content that the program is offering and the amount of work that the affiliate chooses to put into promoting it. Does the site offer exclusive content? Does the site update regularly? After all, you want to make money off of those rebills. As an affiliate, are you promoting the content on decent to high traffic sites? No matter how good the content may be, if you are not exposing the content to many surfers, not many sales are going to come in. That's just simple logic.

I run an affiliate program through CCBill and the sales continue to flow in all throughout the day and evening hours. The affiliates that seem to do the best are the affiliates that are promoting the FHG's (or either they build their own) - that get listed on good quality and high traffic sites. Have you ever invested money into promoting? If you are promoting content that converts well, you should make back your investment as well as a nice profit.

I guess every situation is different but I know that my affiliates have no probem with CCBill and the sales continue to come in quite regularly. I don't think the blame should be thrown onto CCBill because when the affiliate does not make a sale, they do not make a sale - and everyone (including CCBill) are in the game to make money.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by **********

Why rely on affiliates?

Take some of your money and test other ways of marketing your sites such as PPC or social networking. While you're at it, test multiple tours, multiple sign-up pages and maybe even multiple pricing. And really, come on - blaming your processor for low sales? That's just lazy.

I agree. I don't rely on affiliates, I wish I had more of them, but I market my sites the best I can and I get sales using my CC Bill/Epoch cascade. The market is changing, the surfer is more savvy, everything is in motion. I'm not blaming CC Bill, I don't imagine going to NATS or switching processors is going to increase my sales. The problem is and has always been, too much free porn out there. Get used to it. It's only going to get worse.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

If it wasn't for statsremote I would go nuts with ccbills lousy interface. Why cant I simply log in and get a report by url of where my clicks come from ? All this breakdown report crap shits me. Not to mention the fact that most times I request a ccbill report I get an XML error and the report wont load, a few tries later it works.

If this isn't a feature already, I'm pretty sure you could submit a request for a feature like this. Have you tried?

[BFT3K]

Sure, it must be the billing processors fault. That makes sense.

No way it's due to all of the fucking assholes giving everything the fuck away for free, and attempting to "compete" by making even MORE tube-style sites, to give away more free stuff, in return for getting more freeloader traffic, because clearly THAT makes sense.

Must be those damned billing processors, who must be getting rich by... eh.... uhmmmm... uhhhh... scrubbing out potential sales for themselves... yeah, that's the ticket!

Carry on...

[Si]

The sponsors I am using are updated frequently, and they have good product. It isn't shit general porn I am pushing, I know better than that.

The drop in sales hasn't slowly gone down, it fell off a cliff.

There is more traffic going to them compared to last year. Increased traffic from different sources and still no results.

1 nats sponsor I promote, has been exceptional and is doing 1:250 on blog traffic. Compare that to the ccbill ratios. The content is probably along the same level aswell high end, superb quality HD videos with lots of different models, different scenes etc.

All I'm saying is, this isn't adding up. The sites I promote are not found on tubes either so it isn't as if the scenes I am pushing are found everywhere. I don't promote sites who's content has obviously been downloaded and uploaded everywhere. That would be stupid.

I respect everyone's posts and thoughts on what is going on, but it doesn't convince me in any way to keep pushing any ccbill sites.

This sentence makes the most sense out of the entire thread:

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Puts the thought in my mind of stopping trying to push ccbill sites anymore I think my run with them is over.

[Denny]

Originally Posted by SAC

ccbill fucking sucks.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

What does that mean exactly?

It means 1:1,244 is my ratio for CCBill programs I promote, but SpookyCash, the program I run, has a better ratio. I'm not sure I get what you are not understanding about a simple ratio. If you mean whether I am saying that is good or bad, 1:1,244 would have been underwhelming in 2003, but it is decent now I think.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

It means 1:1,244 is my ratio for CCBill programs I promote, but SpookyCash, the program I run, has a better ratio. I'm not sure I get what you are not understanding about a simple ratio. If you mean whether I am saying that is good or bad, 1:1,244 would have been underwhelming in 2003, but it is decent now I think.

You said that was your conversion for "affiliate program upsell".. No idea what you were referring to either... Upselling other sites from within spookycash?

[Si]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You said that was your conversion for "affiliate program upsell".. No idea what you were referring to either... Upselling other sites from within spookycash?

That's what I thought aswell.

If Amelia means direct traffic from blogs or whatever 1:1200 isn't too bad these days I don't think.

If that is member area upsells that seems pretty bad. But I dunno, not my stats to comment on.

[BV]

Originally Posted by Si

1 nats sponsor I promote, has been exceptional and is doing 1:250 on blog traffic. Compare that to the ccbill ratios. The content is probably along the same level aswell high end, superb quality HD videos with lots of different models, different scenes etc.

I'm just guessing here, but usually programs that run NATS is don't count 1st page clicks and start counting the second page and are usually only counting uniques and not raw to the second page.

CCBill affiliate stats show 1st page clicks and mostly just raw. Some sponsors (like me) have enabled the affiliates to see the unique also.

To make a long story short, a 2nd page NATS ratio of 1:250 is equal to a CCBill ratio of about 1:1750 on average.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You said that was your conversion for "affiliate program upsell".. No idea what you were referring to either... Upselling other sites from within spookycash?

Apologies that was unclear. I meant programs I promote, as opposed to run. SpookyCash does not have members area upsells. The traffic is a mix of mostly the usual blogs, TGPs, and banner adverts, with a bit of non-affiliate tour exit traffic. (SpookyCash has separate tours for CCBill, Epoch, and direct traffic.) Although I've never really found an effective pop-up code for 2011, so exit is deeply not the portion it once was.

[Frasier]

Originally Posted by BV

To make a long story short, a 2nd page NATS ratio of 1:250 is equal to a CCBill ratio of about 1:1750 on average.

HOLY SHIT - so if this program were on NATS instead of CCBILL, I could expect ratios of what?



these are my real numbers for a ccbill program owned by someone who has been posting here for a long time

[Si]

Originally Posted by BV

I'm just guessing here, but usually programs that run NATS is don't count 1st page clicks and start counting the second page and are usually only counting uniques and not raw to the second page.

CCBill affiliate stats show 1st page clicks and mostly just raw. Some sponsors (like me) have enabled the affiliates to see the unique also.

To make a long story short, a 2nd page NATS ratio of 1:250 is equal to a CCBill ratio of about 1:1750 on average.

Probably, I'm not in the know of how the stats work 100% with NATS.

But even that ratio beats 1:4450

Just saying anyway, I hate all the "adult is dead" "tubes are killing sales" threads. Because I don't think adult is dying at all, just the landscape is changing.

But, The way the ccbill sales have just dropped off though, makes me wonder why. It is only human to be curious.

[TMM_John]

Originally Posted by BV

I'm just guessing here, but usually programs that run NATS is don't count 1st page clicks and start counting the second page and are usually only counting uniques and not raw to the second page.

CCBill affiliate stats show 1st page clicks and mostly just raw. Some sponsors (like me) have enabled the affiliates to see the unique also.

To make a long story short, a 2nd page NATS ratio of 1:250 is equal to a CCBill ratio of about 1:1750 on average.

You're guessing wrong. I know you defend CCBill blindly at every turn, and you're free to do so if you'd like, but please don't do so by making things up regarding NATS.

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by TMM_John

You're guessing wrong. I know you defend CCBill blindly at every turn, and you're free to do so if you'd like, but please don't do so by making things up regarding NATS.

Been going on for quite some time. It almost seems as BV is a paid, how shall I say, ccbill fire putter-outer??

Why doesn't someone who offers CCBill only tours and also Nats option step in and just give a 2 month average unique to sales stats making sure apples are compared to apples.

Wouldn't that really help a lot?

[icymelon]

I'm not going to even talk ratios. just overall sales. This week I decided I was done pushing ccbill programs unless its something amazing.

[kristin]

Its across the board regardless of processor, type of site, or size. I've talked to a lot of programs, small and large, that have unexplainable low sales. We can all see it, now wtf to do about it.