Why Would Anyone Prefer An Old School Pay-Per-Minute Cam Site Rather Than MFC Or Cam4?

[Agent 488]

more and better quality girls? private shows?

just looking for some ideas for ideas for sales text.

[INever]

No one would.......if they knew.....

[respect]

becouse not everyone know about MFC yet jk

[Agent 488]

considering that mfc has the largest search volume of any cam site now it's fair to assume most cam fans are aware of it, yet people still are buying at live jasmin etc.

[Robbie]

I actually use MFC to promote Streamate. lol

I reference that "other cam site" with all the girls begging like they are selling George Foreman grills on QVC and I point out that the hottest women are at Streamate.

Whether you personally agree with that makes no difference to me. I'm just telling you one of the ways I've had success selling cams by actually referencing MFC.

I simply highlight it's weakness and then push Streamate's strengths. Pretty basic plan, but it works like a charm.

[gabe100]

Agent, hell yeah welcome back.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I actually use MFC to promote Streamate. lol

I reference that "other cam site" with all the girls begging like they are selling George Foreman grills on QVC and I point out that the hottest women are at Streamate.

Whether you personally agree with that makes no difference to me. I'm just telling you one of the ways I've had success selling cams by actually referencing MFC.

I simply highlight it's weakness and then push Streamate's strengths. Pretty basic plan, but it works like a charm.

thanks. guess i should join some cam sites and take a look myself, just wondering what other people use as selling points for pay per min sites.

[Chris]

whales drop loads of cash for 1 on 1 connection with a girl

not a dick measuring contest in a public room...

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I reference that "other cam site" with all the girls begging like they are selling George Foreman grills on QVC and I point out that the hottest women are at Streamate.

I agree , MFC is like what Mcdonalds is to the food business, some people dont mind lower quality,crowded,get what you pay for ( or even free) type deals others prefer better quality personal one and one services.

MFC will continue to do its thing but its not going to be doom and gloom for the exsisting cam market operators/performers even though some seem to think it will.

[amateurbfs]

Originally Posted by Chris

whales drop loads of cash for 1 on 1 connection with a girl

not a dick measuring contest in a public room...

MFC chicks get offline tips and not-public tips too.

[Ethersync]

Cheaper private chats and more one on one time.

[2MuchMark]

We added tip functions to our software, LCN at http://www.2much.net some time ago. It works really well. We don't have offline tipping yet but plan to introduce it soon.

[d-null]

maybe you can promote the fact that you are promoting an exclusive experience one on one with a higher class girl, not some cheapass begger, not too much of a step up from the panhandlers you see on the street corners, going on there whenever they've spent too much money and need to do their weekly begging for $10 bills, wasting time with some lame show for 15 guys at once that is distracted and more concerned with squeezing dollar bills out of a bunch of losers

[Barry-xlovecam]

Quality Models, HQ cams ? some of our cams are hi-definition now (beta).

Customer privacy and security.

Per minute prices in both Euros and Dollars.

Special pricing for new USA customers from $0.99/Minute. About 10% of our Models offer these discounted rates. (Model selects the option).

Both our traffic and sales are up and well as our payouts to affiliates. So I can say with confidence the type of sites you point out as an example really are having little affect on our business model.

[Far-L]

Different strokes for different folks...



Get it?







That's right folks, I'll be here all week. Be sure to get your free peanuts in the Cactus Flower lounge and say hi to Rick the bartender...

[bean-aid]

Links pulled on both. There is no money in tubes

[Paul Markham]

The payment by tips model is something that will be picked up by other people, be developed, evolve and eventually grow.

The model might change slightly.

I see the possibility of a webcam site turning it into a feed for paysites. Where the same scenes can be shown on 100s of paysites, screw exclusivity. It's inside a paysite and each scene is different.

Members pay for the privilege of watching a live scenes, just a small add on, or/and tips. Or the paysite owners pay the webcam as a feed to have a bonus for his customers.

Clearly as porn income drops, the exclusive thing is too expensive. If someone can make a 1-100 model work for more profit than the 1-1 model, the business will change.

[2intense]

""models "" from both of those sites are really SUCKS

[Aleksandr]

MyFreeCams rocks! =)

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The payment by tips model is something that will be picked up by other people, be developed, evolve and eventually grow.

The model might change slightly.

I see the possibility of a webcam site turning it into a feed for paysites. Where the same scenes can be shown on 100s of paysites, screw exclusivity. It's inside a paysite and each scene is different.

Members pay for the privilege of watching a live scenes, just a small add on, or/and tips. Or the paysite owners pay the webcam as a feed to have a bonus for his customers.

Clearly as porn income drops, the exclusive thing is too expensive. If someone can make a 1-100 model work for more profit than the 1-1 model, the business will change.

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I see the possibility of a webcam site turning it into a feed for paysites. Where the same scenes can be shown on 100s of paysites, screw exclusivity. It's inside a paysite and each scene is different.

Members pay for the privilege of watching a live scenes, just a small add on, or/and tips. Or the paysite owners pay the webcam as a feed to have a bonus for his customers.

This type of operation/way of doing things has gone on for many many years by a number of big name companies, its far from new.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I actually use MFC to promote Streamate. lol

I reference that "other cam site" with all the girls begging like they are selling George Foreman grills on QVC and I point out that the hottest women are at Streamate.

Whether you personally agree with that makes no difference to me. I'm just telling you one of the ways I've had success selling cams by actually referencing MFC.

I simply highlight it's weakness and then push Streamate's strengths. Pretty basic plan, but it works like a charm.

I see girls doing the same on Streamate in public chat as I do on MFC. Girls fucking themselves with toys, even couples going at it for free. Streamate has the tipping system as well. So these days I don't see much difference between MFC and Streamate.

Streamate uses girls live streams for ads all over the Net on the highest trafficked adult sites.

The nice thing for girls on MFC is that MFC doesn't use any content, neither live or recorded video nor photos to advertise their site.

Streamate did do a nice improvement on MFC's public show feature - on Streamate a girl can put up a public show for a certain amount of tips/tokens, when the goal is met the guys who contributed see the show, the freeloaders don't.

I love and hate MFC, it definitely hurts teen solo girl sites, but I like seeing young girls making bank. We're working with some MFC girls and even the girls who aren't the top stars on MFC, yet, are making 4-6K a month for themselves and not spending all that much time on there.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Chris

whales drop loads of cash for 1 on 1 connection with a girl

not a dick measuring contest in a public room...

oh the dick measuring contests in public chat are part of how MFC works - guys get competitive with each other when they are both in love with the same chick.

Look at this girl and the kind of tips she gets in public chat.

And she has an identical twin sister on MFC as well.





I wish somebody would do a solo site with her.

[seeandsee]

sweet god, how much $$$ is 55k tokens on MFC?

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Domain Diva

This type of operation/way of doing things has gone on for many many years by a number of big name companies, its far from new.

ssssh dont spoil the fun lmao

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

sweet god, how much $$$ is 55k tokens on MFC?

8 cents for the customer to buy them. The girl gets 5 cents for each token. So he spent $4,400 and she got $2,750

and those 2 guys are always tipping her, plus she has other whales.

i hope she lets them fuck her at least once.

[CIVMatt]

I feel sad for the girls on MFC who treat it like a PPM site, can't figure out how to make money on there.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

I feel sad for the girls on MFC who treat it like a PPM site, can't figure out how to make money on there.

yeah i see them - they just don't get it. some girls were made for MFC, some are much better off on more traditional cam sites.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Domain Diva

This type of operation/way of doing things has gone on for many many years by a number of big name companies, its far from new.

Every time I saw an example, it was a girl more interested in upselling to a 1-1 show than putting on a show for anyone. It was basically an upsell to a traditional webcam site.

Would love to see someone who has done it as I imagine it should be done.

Links please.

[chronig]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The payment by tips model is something that will be picked up by other people, be developed, evolve and eventually grow.

The model might change slightly.

I see the possibility of a webcam site turning it into a feed for paysites. Where the same scenes can be shown on 100s of paysites, screw exclusivity. It's inside a paysite and each scene is different.

Members pay for the privilege of watching a live scenes, just a small add on, or/and tips. Or the paysite owners pay the webcam as a feed to have a bonus for his customers.

Clearly as porn income drops, the exclusive thing is too expensive. If someone can make a 1-100 model work for more profit than the 1-1 model, the business will change.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Every time I saw an example, it was a girl more interested in upselling to a 1-1 show than putting on a show for anyone. It was basically an upsell to a traditional webcam site.

Would love to see someone who has done it as I imagine it should be done.

Links please.

how is someone supposed to link to a live cam show happening right now to argue this point?

stop derailing the thread with your nonsense and go do a puzzle.

thanks for the other replies so far though.

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by Domain Diva

MFC is like what Mcdonalds is to the food business, some people dont mind lower quality,crowded,get what you pay for ( or even free) type deals others prefer better quality personal one and one services.

MFC will continue to do its thing but its not going to be doom and gloom for the exsisting cam market operators/performers even though some seem to think it will.

Going beyond the hoot & swagger of an open free chat room to a private, 2-way cam show is a huge part of the appeal (whether or no there's two-way cam). And the best customers are those who want more than "live porn" where the model might or might not do what he's asking.

Compare meeting a cool chick in a bar and ending up in a motel room to a stripper doing table dances for you.

The "relationship" is more intimate and "real" - and to be honest the performers who can "entertain" on this level are generally more intelligent than those who "just don't get it" and type "Three rubles for tits."

It's a helluva way to retain a whale, too.

There's also fetishes and kinks the guy might have that he can't bring out in an open public room because s/he might find it embarassing or think people will flame him on it, or that he can't get at home with the wife.

You get to learn some pretty interesting kinks from models who do private shows.



:D

[CIVMatt]

Originally Posted by Mutt

yeah i see them - they just don't get it. some girls were made for MFC, some are much better off on more traditional cam sites.

We were setting up a new girl on there and watching a well known girl from here trying to upsell 1 on 1's like an idiot and going nowhere fast, if she just "hungout" she'd be making bank, you can't sit there like an asshole demanding money to see your nipples and treating the crowd like shit, MFC doesn't work that way.

[Robbie]

You guys have went off on a stupid tangent about why YOU think MFC is so great.

That wasn't the purpose of this thread.

The OP was asking about text to promote a traditional style cam site in the age of MFC-style cams.

I gave him my promotional ideas. Meanwhile you guys are all babbling on about the handful of girls who made great tips on MFC. Who cares? That's not what the guy asked.

[Dwreck]

I love how everyone knows everything about webcams on gfy..

It's like when you mention eating habits everyone has strong words then you see them in person and they are all heavy...

[MediaGuy]

I agree but posting criticism of how the thread has been posted off-topic without offering our own thoughts and words on the subject further defogelates the thing...

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

And it's annoying after one has actually bothered contributing

(adding the quote arrow link so ya'll can just jump back up to the post I mean)

:D

[LeRoy]

Some people just feel good about spending $$ for sex.

Like cigarettes or beer. It's all part of their daily routine.

[Agent 488]

good biz thread thanks op.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

good biz thread thanks op.

You're welcome. I am going to be starting more threads like this in the future.

[alias]

Streamate [whitelabel] is good but after almost a decade online many people already have accounts.

[digitalfantasies]

If thinks all work as they should... "MFC sites" can never beat old School Pay-Per-Minute Cam Site in term of quality, attention, fetish, privacy, exclusiveness, overall experience... imho

btw: why is everybody in this tread talking about Streamate as THE example of pay-per-minute. There are lots of major old school cam sites that set examples for the rest...

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

If thinks all work as they should... "MFC sites" can never beat old School Pay-Per-Minute Cam Site in term of quality, attention, fetish, privacy, exclusiveness, overall experience... imho

btw: why is everybody in this tread talking about Streamate as THE example of pay-per-minute. There are lots of major old school cam sites that set examples for the rest...

examples?

[alias]

Videosecrets & flirt4free used to be the top shit but not so much now. MFC and streamate, cam4 are hot now.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Mutt

8 cents for the customer to buy them. The girl gets 5 cents for each token. So he spent $4,400 and she got $2,750

and those 2 guys are always tipping her, plus she has other whales.

i hope she lets them fuck her at least once.

I've heard stories about this kind of activity. Not going to post about it here but try to use your imagination as to why this would keep happening to the same girl from the same guy(s). I'll give you a clue. (images hot linked)

[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

examples?

Same way a free tube site doesn't necessarily replace ALL paysites. It does affect a huge part of the market obviously but paysites with exclusive content still make sales (think fetish, certain micro niches, think exclusive, think creative etc)

I believe in a way the same holds true for cam sites. A naked girl on MFC that you and countless other people can watch for free while she is performing is obviously not as exclusive as a girl that you will have to pay for example $5,99- per minute in a one2one session just to watch her perform the same stuff. And if a customer is looking for "exclusive girls", he's more likely interested in the "hard to get" $5,99 girl.... in stead of the "free" MFC girl... Free in a way means NOT exclusive ;-)

That doesn't mean the one system is better than the other system, or some girls are better than other girls, but it does mean different systems serve different customers, and for a reason.

i can imagine MFC-type sites might have some effect on the webcam market, off course there are plenty of guys really happy seeing naked girls for free they usually had to pay for...But for other people that is just not what "webcam sex" is all about...

Remember: the top girls make the most money talking (not with fucking their pussy with extremely huge toys)

I have nothing to do with the MFC system, I don't have models, I only promote "old-school pay-per-minute" sites with targeted SEO traffic, and my sales are still going up...

[digitalfantasies]

Now I am going to bed... my hangover is killing me!! I hate tequila!! I hate you!! Go fuck yourself! @#$@$#%$%&Ê$%

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by alias

Videosecrets & flirt4free used to be the top shit but not so much now. MFC and streamate, cam4 are hot now.

Same company, and we have been having record sales and keep growing

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by pimpporn

I've heard stories about this kind of activity. Not going to post about it here but try to use your imagination as to why this would keep happening to the same girl from the same guy(s). I'll give you a clue. (images hot linked)

are you trying to say they are money grubbing dirty whores?

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

are you trying to say they are money grubbing dirty whores?

Nope not at all. Here is another clue

[PornStarToys]

Obviously she does their laundry for money.