What we used to do and how we worked.

[Paul Markham]

A lot of people keep telling me how we should of worked and what we should of done. Without knowing what we did do, so maybe it's time to explain what we did for the last 12 years.

We were content shooters, in our field by no means good. Just could produce a lot of pretty to beautiful teens, because we were in Czech. Combine that with my to get a girl to open up in front of a camera and it worked great.

The most important part of the job was to find new girls. Finding a girl after another photographer had shot her was costing money. In those days like today new girls are at a premium, a new girl who was pretty was worth 4 sets, attractive worth 10 sets outstanding anything up to 20. So if a shooter had found a girl before us, every set he shot would be one we couldn't sell.

A shooter recently posted a girl who was just 18, just 18 and already well known. Probably with an agent and probably already shot by the agents favorite shooters, the one's who paid him the most.

So we advertised everywhere we could, in local papers and National ones. We also had recruiters out looking for them and got girls to recommend friends. We also had to do castings, as they were profitable shooting "Readers Wives" pictures it was also a way to make $300 from each girl who turned up with an ID and pay the girl so she could tell her friends.

Relying on photos was useless, old photos, good photos of poor girls, bad photos of good girl and even photos of them before they had the "ions" tattooed on their backside. Doing a casting also gave us an opportunity to get to know the girl, for her to get to know us and see if we could work together.

We did 1-2 days a week in Prague, once a month to other majors cities here and of course castings all the time in Brno.

Then we had to shoot the girls we had selected. It's impossible to shoot 5 magazine sets on a day. girls tire, shooter tires and the work is poor. 2-3 a day was maximum. sometimes 1 because the girl was studying or working and couldn't do a whole day. We had to take time to build sets and keep the studio fresh.

When the shoot was over film went to Kodak to be developed. When returned slides had to sorted into different sets, UK, US and EU. This had to be done for each region, putting a lot of softcore into a US set was going to lose a sale, and hardcore into a UK set the same. EU had different markets.

For the UK I went once a month, this was a 3-4 day trip. We had 3 major clients there and it was nice to walk in with a months work. I flew into London with a suitcase full of sets and flew home with an empty one. Had a wardrobe in my London home. US flew twice a year, usually coinciding with shows in the US.

Then we decided to launch a content store, so got a programmer and got on with it. I had to sit by him and work with him, many times I wondered if it was worth it, but kept going. Thankfully it was. We later got rid of the original programmer and employed the one we are still with. He's freelance and now runs his own business programming for others.

So to take on a paysite, build it, work it, look after affiliates and all else it would require. Without even thinking of shooting just for it, wasn't a good idea. It would of cost us a lot of money to do prior to 2005. We were busy enough doing what we knew and knew would make us a lot of money.

The programming wasn't the problem, it was everything else. We had 2 programmers by then. We would of needed for me to sit down and learn the traffic game and run the affiliates or get a guy in. Most peoples first complaint about a sponsor is the level of support. I tried many time to find a guy who was capable, never did. Found a lot of people who simply wanted a slice of what we were getting, they were not interested in a deal based on sales over and above our present ones, guys who wanted a flat wage, guys who were clueless and straight con-men. Got stung by 2 of them. Like some other shooters.

I suppose the problem was those who knew the game were working for themselves and those that didn't ..............

So maybe this explains why we didn't open a site earlier, why when we did we didn't spend all our time looking after it.The content business was paying us good money, from magazine and online sales. To risk that a go into something new was stupid.

What might of worked better was if some guy who knew how to drive traffic to others partnered up with us and worked on his side of the business while we worked on our side. DDF found such a person, as did a few others. Most found con-men like we found.

3 top shooters went with a guy who was a whale with a giant TGP site. Their returns were pitiful. When I met one of the shooters and pointed out what he was selling ad space for where he had their site's ad. He realised what the score was. The whale would of been better off just selling the ad space, if his figures were to be believed. We had numerous deals put to us like that, only needed to do it twice to learn.

[Pipecrew]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[Roald]

never mind.

[WarChild]

Maybe a blacksmith will pop in and tell us how his great grand father used to make a killing on horse shoes before those pesky automobiles came along. If everyone would just stop driving cars, Blacksmiths could make a huge profit again!

[porno jew]

who cares ....

[Highest Def]

[ottopottomouse]

Should hire yourself out reading bedtime stories to kids that refuse to go to sleep.

[Rochard]

You failed because of your magic join pages.

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The programming wasn't the problem, it was everything else. We had 2 programmers by then. We would of needed for me to sit down and learn the traffic game and run the affiliates or get a guy in. Most peoples first complaint about a sponsor is the level of support. I tried many time to find a guy who was capable, never did. Found a lot of people who simply wanted a slice of what we were getting, they were not interested in a deal based on sales over and above our present ones, guys who wanted a flat wage, guys who were clueless and straight con-men. Got stung by 2 of them. Like some other shooters.

So basically you wanted affiliate customer support people to work on commission only? That's got FAIL written all over it.

Affiliate customer support jobs aren't sales jobs per se - sure their efforts should help boost sales, but to expect someone whose job largely consists of helping affiliates with signing up, creating links, link placement, etc to work only on commission is not realistic.

Top sales people often steer clear of commission only jobs. Top sales people expect base + commission. Not simply out of greed, but also necessity - sales vary over time, and more to the point, employers that don't pay a "base" presumably lack confidence in their products selling.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I suppose the problem was those who knew the game were working for themselves and those that didn't ..............

Savvy people always look out for #1, themselves, first. Seems to me, based on the limited info you provided, the compensation structure / job expectations was the problem...

Good sales people don't have time to do day to day customer support, which is what's expected of many affiliate reps.

What muddies the issue is that an "affiliate rep" can potentially refer to a job that involves either one or both of those positions ... some are more akin to customer service while others are more akin to sales people with some affiliate reps doing both.

Anyways, rambling on ... if you'd been willing to pay a decent base + commission that would have likely brought some good quality people.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So maybe this explains why we didn't open a site earlier, why when we did we didn't spend all our time looking after it.The content business was paying us good money, from magazine and online sales. To risk that a go into something new was stupid.

You missed the boat and now trying to reconcile it. Any savvy business always looks at its environment and plans ahead; evolves to remain relevant.

Ron

[alf6300]

I actually enjoyed reading this story.
I guess I am a romantic.

[19teenporn]

I like turtles...

[Ramirez]

Nice to read this.

[papill0n]

wow see a doctor paul you are mentally ill

cliffnotes

paul is broke and doesnt know how to make money online anymore

[CaptainHowdy]

Everything we do is doomed to failure, but with stories like that the adult industry seems to be at the bottom barrel of failure.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

So basically you wanted affiliate customer support people to work on commission only? That's got FAIL written all over it.

Affiliate customer support jobs aren't sales jobs per se - sure their efforts should help boost sales, but to expect someone whose job largely consists of helping affiliates with signing up, creating links, link placement, etc to work only on commission is not realistic.

Top sales people often steer clear of commission only jobs. Top sales people expect base + commission. Not simply out of greed, but also necessity - sales vary over time, and more to the point, employers that don't pay a "base" presumably lack confidence in their products selling.



Savvy people always look out for #1, themselves, first. Seems to me, based on the limited info you provided, the compensation structure / job expectations was the problem...

Good sales people don't have time to do day to day customer support, which is what's expected of many affiliate reps.

What muddies the issue is that an "affiliate rep" can potentially refer to a job that involves either one or both of those positions ... some are more akin to customer service while others are more akin to sales people with some affiliate reps doing both.

Anyways, rambling on ... if you'd been willing to pay a decent base + commission that would have likely brought some good quality people.



You missed the boat and now trying to reconcile it. Any savvy business always looks at its environment and plans ahead; evolves to remain relevant.

Ron

Good critique...but I can simplify it...he failed because he was and is clueless.

[Bryan G]

Here we go again.....Markham STFU

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Thanks for the bump and the chance to bump again.

[Nicky]

Cool story bro

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Roald

never mind.

Thanks for the

and the chance to

again.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Maybe a blacksmith will pop in and tell us how his great grand father used to make a killing on horse shoes before those pesky automobiles came along. If everyone would just stop driving cars, Blacksmiths could make a huge profit again!

Good luck and thanks for the bump.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

A lot of people keep telling me how we should of worked and what we should of done. Without knowing what we did do, so maybe it's time to explain what we did for the last 12 years.

We were content shooters, in our field by no means good. Just could produce a lot of pretty to beautiful teens, because we were in Czech. Combine that with my to get a girl to open up in front of a camera and it worked great.

Is this some of the pretty teens you would find to do a shoot with????

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

So basically you wanted affiliate customer support people to work on commission only? That's got FAIL written all over it.

Affiliate customer support jobs aren't sales jobs per se - sure their efforts should help boost sales, but to expect someone whose job largely consists of helping affiliates with signing up, creating links, link placement, etc to work only on commission is not realistic.

Top sales people often steer clear of commission only jobs. Top sales people expect base + commission. Not simply out of greed, but also necessity - sales vary over time, and more to the point, employers that don't pay a "base" presumably lack confidence in their products selling.

Actually top sales people do go for commission only, it pays better.

We would of taken someone on full time, you misread the post. This is the part I think you misread.

Found a lot of people who simply wanted a slice of what we were getting, they were not interested in a deal based on sales over and above our present ones, guys who wanted a flat wage, guys who were clueless and straight con-men. Got stung by 2 of them. Like some other shooters.

Any deal, full time or part is based on extra sales, not just earning off our present sales. The problem was we never met anyone who could convince us to take them on full time. If you read the boards you'll find the number one complaint with sponsors was the support. Once we met the people and talked with them, we were never convinced enough to take them on full time or part time. All they had were ideas I had heard 100 times before on the boards.

I have no lack of confidence in my product, I had a lack of confidence in the people I was talking to.

Savvy people always look out for #1, themselves, first. Seems to me, based on the limited info you provided, the compensation structure / job expectations was the problem...

Which is what I was doing.

Good sales people don't have time to do day to day customer support, which is what's expected of many affiliate reps.

that was the problem I suspect. The guy we were looking for wasn't looking for a monthly wage, he was earning more as a freelance.

Anyways, rambling on ... if you'd been willing to pay a decent base + commission that would have likely brought some good quality people.

As an affiliate rep or someone to manage the whole site. Sit down with me and shape the site, give it more direction, personality and sales? The affiliate rep job to answer emails and tell affiliates what was where, is easy.

You missed the boat and now trying to reconcile it.

Don't ever think I did, we were on another boat. Changing ships in mid course entirely was a big risk. Never grew on the side of a paysite as nicely as others did, yet a lot better than many did. I met tons of guys who opened sites and failed. But it's nice that you think if I had of changed boats we would of been a huge success. Thanks.

Any savvy business always looks at its environment and plans ahead; evolves to remain relevant.

Agreed. One of the things online never did was look at it's environment out side the online box. I was savvy enough to move part of the business from offline to online.

[HomerSimpson]

Originally Posted by Highest Def

[JamesGw]

It's "should have" not "should of".

Just sayin'.

[SpicyM]

You told me you would unlock my IP adress so I can access your content store but I still cant.

[seeandsee]

passive trolling king!


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Originally Posted by will76

[TubeSubmitters]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

passive trolling king!


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quoted for the truth

[Jack Sparrow]

Am i the only one that never reads anything paul has to say for longer then 1 line, just to post in the thread how retarded he is?

[Jarmusch]

Sounds like the onset of dementia to me.

Good luck, Paul.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Maybe a blacksmith will pop in and tell us how his great grand father used to make a killing on horse shoes before those pesky automobiles came along. If everyone would just stop driving cars, Blacksmiths could make a huge profit again!

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

She is fucking hot

[will76]

Originally Posted by jack sparrow

am i the only one that never reads anything paul has to say for longer then 1 line, just to post in the thread how retarded he is?

+1


you not alone.

[Jakez]

Oh my fucking God...

Ok now I'll read it, maybe.

Originally Posted by this guy..

A lot of people keep telling me how we should of worked and what we should of done.

Hypooooocriiteeeeeeeeeee

Edit: lol the funny thing is, a thread like this would be all thumbs up and great replies, but since this drivel is done on almost a daily basis it really loses it's value.

Edit 2: OH MY GOD WHY DID I READ THAT?!?!?!?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

You told me you would unlock my IP adress so I can access your content store but I still cant.

I replied to you that the IP address you gave me appeared to be wrong, never heard back from you. Will hit you up again.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Am i the only one that never reads anything paul has to say for longer then 1 line, just to post in the thread how retarded he is?

Just look at all the other trolls who post. You have something in your sig, but selling ads on Tubes isn't the top of the tree. Welcome to my ignore list.

Along with Jakez. growing by the day with people who aren't worth replying to.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I replied to you that the IP address you gave me appeared to be wrong, never heard back from you. Will hit you up again.

FORGET IT.... I want my content and I want it....


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NOW!

[will76]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Just look at all the other trolls who post. You have something in your sig, but selling ads on Tubes isn't the top of the tree. Welcome to my ignore list.

Along with Jakez. growing by the day with people who aren't worth replying to.

LOL pretty soon you will only have yourself left to talk to. Oh wait, that has already happened. You are the only person loony enough to listen to you.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I replied to you that the IP address you gave me appeared to be wrong, never heard back from you. Will hit you up again.

I havent received any email from you since I emailed you.

The IP is correct but I used "x" as the last "digit" since the IP changes from time to time, so you should allow the whole range besides the last digit.

[Just Alex]

Why paul, why? Find a hobby man, find something to do.

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Am i the only one that never reads anything paul has to say for longer then 1 line, just to post in the thread how retarded he is?

I think he likes to be humiliated almost as much as you do.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

I havent received any email from you since I emailed you.

The IP is correct but I used "x" as the last "digit" since the IP changes from time to time, so you should allow the whole range besides the last digit.

Hit me up on ICQ or Skype

My one to you has to be caught in a spam filter.

I emailed you from Hotmail. Shouldn't get blocked.

[Bladewire]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

Why paul, why? Find a hobby man, find something to do.

This is a hobby, just one of many. going to finish my cooking.

Chicken in a broccoli and cheese sauce.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This is a hobby, just one of many. going to finish my cooking.

Chicken in a broccoli and cheese sauce.

thanks for sharing, but no one cares. enjoy your meal.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Squirtit

[papill0n]

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Just look at all the other trolls who post. You have something in your sig, but selling ads on Tubes isn't the top of the tree. Welcome to my ignore list.

Along with Jakez. growing by the day with people who aren't worth replying to.

News flash: you are the biggest troll on here by popular vote!

People who aren't worth replying to..... please give me an example of one thing worth replying to in your original post. I read the entire thing and have no idea exactly what thought you're trying to get across besides rambling on about crap that no one cares about. I honestly took in everything you said and at the end drew a blank on what exactly it was about. At least your other threads usually have something to talk about or disagree with.

And I could give a fuck about my sig, stop thinking people put their entire biography in their sig you moron.

Originally Posted by Squirtit

Hahaha, priceless. Bump for you Paulie.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

I think he likes to be humiliated almost as much as you do.

If those trying to humiliate, were worth listening to it would effect me.

[Peter Romero]

Reading this thread gave me quite a chuckle... thanks, I needed that.

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Just look at all the other trolls who post. You have something in your sig, but selling ads on Tubes isn't the top of the tree. Welcome to my ignore list.

Along with Jakez. growing by the day with people who aren't worth replying to.

Oh noes im on the failing old farts ignore list. What should i do with my life right now.

Oh btw. do you remember spellingnaziing me? Why do you keep writing "should of"?

The fact you think im in this biz just selling ads on tubesites says enough about how many people you really know in this biz. Because if you would actually know just a tiny bit you wouldnt be making such retarded statements.

Now someone quote me so the old farting impotent retard gets this message