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epitome

LOL you people are dumb and have no understanding of business and law.

This is a civil matter and relates to the contract you have with her. Sue.

signupdamnit

If you notice most of the ones supporting it and telling affiliates to shut up are sponsors from other programs or services. For the most part they aren't affiliates. Possibly with the exception of one or two people who based on how they act here seem to be mostly trolls.

So on one end affiliates shouldn't stick up for their fellow affiliates who are getting screwed because "it's none of their business" yet it's perfectly fine for sponsors and reps from other services and programs to come here and badmouth the affiliates who are speaking up. Strange double standard there. I speak up because I don't want one of my sponsors to do this crap tomorrow and that's more likely to happen if I don't speak out and raise a little hell.

Some Guy

This.

I've promoted Melissa for years. I probably haven't made her a sale in ages but, regardless, this is kind of a lame way to announce the closing of her affiliate program. "Hey, thanks for promoting me for ten years, everyone. Now get fucked!" Not cool. Then again, this business isn't exactly overflowing with moralistic people so I'm not surprised.

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Supz

Note to self, Failed is an idiot and has no clue about business. I am not supporting what they are doing. People are making it seems like Reality Kings who is a huge program with massive amount of affiliates making huge amounts of money went out of business and beat people on there money when this is completely not the case.

And missing your virtual account is going to put us out of business.

signupdamnit

It's a civil matter at the very least but that fact does not necessarily preclude a criminal act. It's incredibly rare but under some circumstances it has happened that such things became more. I could probably locate some case law if I really needed to but blah.

Supz

I am not saying only affiliates should come and bitch. The truth of the matter is, no adult porn site is going to stay around for ever, especially a solo girl, and keep converting like it did from day one, unless is has mainstream popularity, like a BangBus did or a MilfHunter did etc. This is a solo girl site that hasnt been popular in years, the content on the site was very old and people who want to buy porn want something new and fresh, which this deffinetly wasnt. The point is that I cant imagine a lot of people even pushing this site. So far everyone that comes into here hasnt said they are owed more then the account minimum. Yes, if you are owed 10 dollars you should get it. Do you know how many affilaite programs owe me money for the less then $100 rule. This is part of the business. It is something you adjust your business practices too. I stop promoting them because it does not convert and I move on.


I do not think anyone should lose out on money, and in every other case like SOBV etc I would never take this side. But this is an old outdates site that hasnt converted me a sale in 2 years. I would assume all others who pushed her from back in the day would agree its been a while since this site had any momentum.

Failed

Nope, you won't be affected at all by my lack of business. Quite honestly, I'm not that big, I made $1k in affiliate sales last month. Hardly a player in the industry. But, I keep working, one day...

The reality is, you're defending their actions and condoning theft. You say it's no big deal, you don't understand the big fuss, it's not like it was huge amounts of money. Tell me, intelligent business man, does a little theft not mean the same as a lot of theft? Does it matter that these thieves stole tens of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands?

If I'm an idiot for believing thieves should be held accountable for their actions, then so be it.

porno jew

lol where you getting 'tens of thousands' from retard? so far we have a grand total of six bucks lost.

Supz

I think if you would have put the time of these posts of yours into your sites. You would be a lot better off. You just signed up this year. If you have been here for the last 2 or 3 years. You would know that a lot of programs have gone out of business. A lot of money is missing, and no one has done shit. You are not the occupy wall st of GFY. Another program will go out of business and take peoples money before the year is over. But if you want to stay with this for the long term. You have to be able to adjust quickly. Do some more research before signing up for a program, and get the most out of your efforts. If you have spent 1 hour marketing for Melissa Midwest this year. You spent 1 hour to much, it is an old site with old content and no momentum. It has been on the downturn for a while now. And if you do not see this. It will be hard to succeed. If you sign up to programs based on how hot the girl is, it will be hard to succeed. Picking sponsors and content is more then that. There is a bigger picture.

And I do not condone any stealing of affiliates money.

signupdamnit

I have $400 - $600 a month in rebills and new sales to one sponsor in particular who hasn't updated in four years and isn't listed on either signbucks.com or whopaidme. Do you think I want to lose $400 a month in rebills in this same way? And for every other sponsor like this which I have? No. Those rebills are mine. I sent them and I want my money.

There are right ways to shut down programs and there are wrong ways to shut down. This is an example of a wrong way. And it doesn't matter how many affiliates you think are owed money or how much you think it is because you probably don't really know that just as I don't.

Supz

This is the point I am trying to make. I am not for theft from affiliates, obviously. I guess trying to explain it is logical terms doesnt work on here.

Failed

Read the whole thread, there is more than the one person claiming the $6. And again, you're voice here has no validity at all. You can't/won't answer any of the questions I posed to you. You won't call for actual proof by telling biggy to post the numbers that he only has access to now, you're just a fucking useless troll or making money off this theft as well.

So again, why don't you, who so highly values facts and reality, call for biggy to post the numbers he has access to? So we can all find out the real numbers. Fucking coward.

porno jew

proof or ban.

porno jew

if you think your white knight crusade is going to stop some other sponsor going broke and not paying affiliates in the future you are delusional.

Failed

I can take half quotes and call for bans too. Quit being a coward and back up your claims of valuing fact and reality.

Supz

You are right, this is not the right way. But I am not talking about the program that is rebilling 400-600 a month for you. We are talking about Melissa Money. And I highly doubt it was rebilling 400-600 for anyone. Even its biggest one time affiliates. Maybe biggy will share stats with us, if he knows anyone who is owed a lot of money.


PS. I wrote this before I saw Failed as for someone to ask biggy to post proof.

will76

NO BODY CARES HOW THESE IDIOTS BLOW *THEIR* MONEY. The fact of the matter is, they receive a check, transfer (whatever) from their processor. 50% of that money generated from affiliate sales is due to the affiliate. It's when these jack asses get themselves in financial trouble that they get paid and decide "fuck the affiliate, I need all of that money to my bills". Which in most cases is *personal* bills and nothing to do with running the website. Since we all know putting a website on cruise control and paying the hosting bill is sooo expensive.

The question I would have for you Biggy, are you still getting paid? Not sure if you will answer that one honestly or not, or if we could ever find out for sure one way or the other. But if they screwed you, you not getting paid either and you have no control, I wouldn't blame you. If you still getting paid and affiliates are not, then you are just as bad as them.

Then their asses should end up in jail. Again, it's not their money to take. Just because they fucked up in their personal investing gives them no right or excuse to steal the affiliates money.

Your arrangement is weak and bullshit. They have money every time their processor pays them. Which portion of the money should then be passed directly to the people it is owed to. Their personal problems are their own problem. If they don't make enough to support their lifestyle or their financial mistakes then go get a second or third fucking job, don't steal from your affiliates who made you millions of dollars that you blew. The least they could do is put the site on cruise control, pay out the affiliates and keep their cut after covering their small amount of overhead (nats license and hosting.)

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will76

Damn shut the fuck up. You sound like a whinny little bitch. "Who fucking cares" says the guy who has already posted more than anyone else in this thread, 40 times!!!

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Supz

This is the same thing the guy from Tyco went to jail for isn't it? Enron?

Pseudonymous

I just looked at the traffic stats of their other websites, i didn't even take those into account - i was only referring to melissamidwest before. That network couldn't afford the affiliate software? hahaha thats a lie

This network is still grossing 5-10k a month, that's more than alot of programs out there.

Can't pay affiliates. lol biggy while you might be able to convince non program owners. I don't believe it for one second.

will76

not possible. They need that money to pay their personal bills. Affiliates just be ok with that since they made a lot of money from them over the years and well Melissa is sweet and cute...

Or a bunch of idiots trying to "occupy wallstreet".


You are not doing a good job being a "punching bag". You also not doing yourself any favors either with your attitude.

AMEN!!!

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rowan

Oh yeah, you know regular pics of tits certainly help, doesn't even make much difference when it's revealed that the person posting all of the ditzy "I'm so hot and cute look at me naked" messages was a guy...

NemesisEnforcer

You need someone more serious like Fiona Glenanne to handle this:







Fiona may look like she just stepped out of a fashion magazine but she's a force to be reckoned with. She was affiliated with the IRA for 14 years, but ran afoul of her old organization because she didn't like being told what to do. She has since gone out on her own, picking up odd jobs and using her skills in explosives, lock picking, tracking, weapons, and hand-to-hand combat to make a living.

Fiona is definitely a shoot first and asks questions later kind of gal. Her fearless nature is both enticing and dangerous, as she is capable of making things go "boom" very quickly. When Michael is dumped, battered and unconscious, in Miami, Fiona is called since she is still listed as his emergency contact. They were once romantically involved but that ended years before when Michael left her without an explanation. Fiona isn't used to being rejected and the end of their relationship left her with a bruised ego.

She decides to stay in Miami to help Michael, but her reasons aren't all work related. For a woman who considers a good head-butt to be foreplay, seducing men is second nature. Although Michael's reluctant to re-kindle a very complicated relationship, Fiona is a stubborn master strategist and won't stop till she gets her way.

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jscott

The most fair thing to would be if Shane & family downgraded their lifestyle in order to pay off their affiliates fairly and as agreed upon...

.... this is a result of his bad decisions, he is at fault here, no affiliates are to fault. Remember this is a revshare program, not pps, these are supposed to have less risk. Whatever lifestyle he's living now, he doesn't deserve, and should downgrade.

Paul Markham

Great post.

This is the real world, pay your bills or go bankrupt paying others who are not actively promoting and selling the site?

Expect it to happen a lot more. Programs will start to look long and hard at affiliates who are just getting rebills, got money held because it's under the minimum or people using their content to sell ad space.

5-6 years ago the layer of cream on the cake was thick enough to carry these people. Today it's not. So expect programs to look at whose sending traffic, whose only doing rebills and who are mostly getting paid rebills. Then deciding if the axe will fall on them. Consider this the future.

Cut off dead wood to save the tree, or not and lose the tree. With some of the good branches dying along with it.

In English. Cut those you can live without, to keep paying those you need.

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Jel

Please tell me you don't use the same aff code on all ccbill sites.

jscott

They will still get blacklisted, real name, info, all

Whether you feel about this situation about Shane/Melissa or not, they did not live up to their agreement, based on his bad decisions or not, it still needs to get put out there online so that in the future people will know to not do business with Shane

Part of life is living with the results of your own actions, I can accept the loss of work, money etc from this unfortunate situation, but I will definitely help in spreading the word about this

Paul Markham

That gave me a warm feeling. Sorry but I get too much shit from others to not feel good when real business people post the truth.

Yes for those not getting paid on rebills or money held it's shitty. Very very shitty. Melissa isn't the first and won't be the last. Affiliates have to accept that it's a changing world in online adult and adapt.

Today for many margins are slim. The places left to trim costs are very few, content has taken that trimming for years. now it's affiliates turn. This is the future plans for many.

Examine the cost and return on having 100 to 1,000s of freelance affiliates who they have little to no control over and all demanding the sponsor runs his site their way.

Comparing this cost/return/benefits on bringing traffic generation in house.

Then maybe cutting all those not sending sign ups, not traffic it's not king. Sign ups are. Keeping those worth keeping and cutting the rest. And bringing traffic generation in house.

Yes it's a shitty way to do business. But it's just business, not charity. It's no longer 2004, pull your weight or get cut from the team.

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xholly

more programs making big tube sites is the answer Paul?

Paul Markham

Not an answer for long term, but it's happening and affiliates have to adapt or die.

Would 50 in-house workers under the management of an affiliate support manager, produce a better ROI than 50-500 normal affiliates?

In house could be in their home, but under the direct control of the sponsor.

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looky_lou

As stated early in this thread, I am owed $46.39

I made 1 sale in Aug and it re-billed in Sept, and might have continued re-billing.

This thread has shown the true colors of many. There are a few other programs that I have pulled links on while removing the MM links. There is one hosting co. that I will never consider doing business with too.

My $46.39 may not be much, but it is a big deal to me. It is my money and I worked hard for it.

I hope that Melissa remembers getting screwed by her last partner and how bad she felt, because now she can know how she has made me feel today.

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Seen some pretty nice ratios in here... good to see i'm not the only one

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The ones who still get payment will abandon the ship cause they know soon or later they will become the ones the guy can live without.

ruff

If an affiliate makes a sale for you and gets rebillls, how big a burden is that? If he never sends another sale, but his original sale continues to get rebills he is now deadweight and it is time to cut him out?

That's stupid thinking. It's not the whales out there that are making programs money, it's a huge collection of little guys. When we are gone, the programs are gone. Count on it.

I've had companies disable my affiliate account because of whatever reason, most of those are gone now. Common business sense in porn is at a premium. There are not too many mainstream businesses that get to hide behind false names, foreign addresses and all the little dirty tricks that the porn business has up its sleeve. If I get ripped for a few grand, I can't afford a lawyer. Thieves know this so they steal.

No matter what, if you take what is not yours, you are a common thief. A lot of people, apparently, are comfortable with that.

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This is what was on my account at the close of the program.

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TheDA

What you are doing is breaking the rules.

Paul Markham

Yes, I think that's the future for many.

It's $15 out of Melissa's pocket.

If it means she can pay her bills, the answer is obvious.

If they make traffic generation in house, why is that. When you close up shop. You will leave the traffic behind. No reason for the program to go.

Because they were generating traffic in house or closing down?
So leave porn and go to work in Mainstream. Is your name and address freely available?

It's not a good, ethic or moral thing to do. Welcome to the porn world.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying if the ship is going down, you make sure you get your place on a life raft.

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signupdamnit

Paul, realize though that if an affiliate sending sales disappears it does not necessarily mean that a given sponsor will get all those surfers. The traffic ends up being distributed more by niche and can easily go to another sponsor within that niche. For example if I got that surfer by being #1 on Google for a given term more than likely after my site falls the #2 person will become #1 and get that surfer. This is especially the case for smaller sponsors where more than the likely that traffic will go to the bigger players. Sponsors don't just give affiliates free money for nothing. There is a reason for the system although it's importance has lessened over the years.

It's not really $15 out of her pocket because that $15 contractually really doesn't belong to her in the first place. Affiliate programs have been getting away with it for years but there is a case for calling it fraud. In theory if an affiliate wanted to really push things they could cause legal trouble. More than likely civil but it isn't unheard of for it to be criminal.

Often the programs who start ripping off affiliates are doing so out of desperation so it isn't unusual for these programs to disappear shortly thereafter. In most cases if they were doing well they wouldn't have to rip off their affiliates.

Biggy2

Will,

I haven't been paid in months. I have been operating the site at a loss as basically charity just to ensure affiliates got paid. My payments at this point would be be very low, inconsequential to what I earn elsewhere - after all, I have told you how many joins the site gets. My payments stopped well before any other affiliates, but - and this may burn some - I know Shane, etc - he is a good person, he simply ran into financial difficulties, and has a family to protect. I haven't even asked for my $. Actually, when I think about it, I am owed the most out of anyone here.

Will - are you an affiliate? Have you read all the posts? Did you see the part where this site does <5 joins per day? 60-70% (or 2-3) of the joins are typein as well. The amount of people who are actually invested in this situation is very, very low, and my guess is you are another person with no skin in this game who wants to chime in and walk in other people's shoes?

We're now over 5000 views, 300+ replies, etc. I guess no matter what, peeople love the drama.

ArsewithClass

What he's doing is a bit stupid posting excessive amount of photos, of a site that's dead & has annoyed many affiliates....

But we all note the reason, he's posting to flood his sig

Pseudonymous

Biggy, did you read my posts? DawsonMiller is smaller and has less rebilling members than MelissaMidwest and her site is only getting a few sales a day also and is getting about 3k/month.

Then take into account:

http://www.prettymarie.com/tour1/ (newest)
http://www.melissacamvideos.com/
http://www.foxyjacky.com/
http://www.sweetadri.com/

It is fair to assume the melissamoney network is generating about 5-10k a month. Paying a 10 percent to payment processing, 350 for aff sotware and a couple hundred for the server. How are you operating at a loss? Care to explain?

I know many many websites out there getting less than 5 sales a day, should they stop paying affiliates?

Biggy2

Because I, personally, am paying to operate the site and I don't get paid, so I'm operating it at a loss.

Revenue: $0
Expenses: employees to update the site + outsourced work,

This leaves me in the negative, personally.

Pseudonymous

I must have misunderstood, I see the paysites still up. So you would still need to work on them, the only difference is that you dont pay affiliates.

I could be wrong about this also but aren't most of those sites inactive? Which are still active if you dont mind me asking

DVTimes

what are you paying to operate the site?

What expenses? servers.

Employees to update the site? What to upload a few pics and vids?

And outsorced work?

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Biggy2

Yeah, you understood it as if I am getting the $ lol, and I am not.

None of the sites are active, none of them have been active in years.

DVTimes

can we log in to see our stats please.

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Biggy2

Yeah. I pay people to do that. It's not free.