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The Porn Nerd · 11-18-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

I'd rather build my own paysites really, in the long run thats where the money is at, not as an affiliate.

Can i buy some of the videos on that first site

?

Fiddy No's.

Signup and put some vids on your tubes and make $$$.

WTF.

stocktrader23 · 11-18-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Well..yeah I guess if you overpaid a shooter to do that it would be expensive. But what they are shooting isn't requiring much at all in on set expense.

And the shooter isn't even trying to get good angles and different shots. It looks like they kinda just tell a guy to fuck a teen and to hell with different positions or even having the model or the guy keep their hands out of the way of the shots. You can't see jack shit.

It's damn near ready for late night on Cinemax. lol

So if you did overpay a shooter...you would definitely be throwing your money in the garbage. Those scenes could almost be shot with a cam on a tripod and a remote control to zoom.

B.Barnato · 11-18-2011, 06:39 PM

Pipo gets a 9/10 rating for this one from me.

The only thing holding him back from full points is the outlandish scenario in this storyline.

Jack Sparrow · 11-19-2011, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Fiddy No's.

Signup and put some vids on your tubes and make $$$.

WTF.

Sorry Pea, but the only programs im promoting right now are my own programs

Ive did my share of sending sales to other programs, but im more then happy with how our paysites are doing right now. Especially the sologirl ones that have HQ models on them instead of the same ol' pornstars like jenna.

No offense btw. I like your sites, i would promote them, but atm im sending it full throttle to my own programs

Jack Sparrow · 11-19-2011, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Markham thinks you need him at $2,000/day and 20 assistants to do what you just described. That is why he thinks things are expensive.

I dont know a thing about what the costs are to produce these kinda scenes.
Been chatting with a lot of different shooters, and 2 of them have content thats almost 99% similar in style, quality, and quality of the models. And the prices range from 1k per 20 minute scene upto 5k per 30minute scenes.

I thought this would be the easy part haha.

Maybe i should stick to buying content that is similar to what i have in mind..

@madalton: I wanted to hit you up indeed, but i checked your content site and it didnt have much videos in the style i was looking for. I will check it out again, but i am a nitpick when it comes to selecting the videocontent for my sites. Sorry if i didnt get back to you. Just thought that what was on the site was what you had.

Is there some special place with this HQ samples you can email to me?

AngelAfterlife · 11-19-2011, 04:11 AM

I shoot high end still and video so close to the style that the owner and main photographer of x-art talked with me a while back about shoot for the site.

my site:
www.angelafterlife.com

sample video:
http://www.angelafterlife.com/LOCK/J...Breathless.wmv

Paul Markham · 11-19-2011, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WebCashMaker

I understand the models and photographers are top end and could cost more.

Locations and props ? High end equipment ?

Other than that.... what else makes it so expensive to shoot ?

The shooters can earn more elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Mutt

models cost the same, but shooting that style takes A LOT more time, in a regular shooting day for web content you could get lots of content shot, multiple scenes/photosets. shooting X-Art's style you are going to get one maybe two video scenes done. whoever shoots it will be higher than average skilled and he will have the necessary lights and camera equipment so you will be paying him a higher rate than the average porn shooter. he will need a couple of assistants/camera guys and a makeup artist. you'll also want a nicer location than a shitty porn studio or office with a black leather couch.

so added all up it's minimum 5K i think.

The shooters at this end have mostly gone from porn. Those left won't charge what they used to earn, yet won't work cheap either.

RandyD · 11-19-2011, 04:20 AM

X-art sells like shit off a stick - unique site - wish we had dozens of them to promot instead of the usual american hardcore shit, that noone seems to want to pay for anymore.

Paul Markham · 11-19-2011, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Into some interesting talks with some contentproviders.
I dont mind buying existing videos you have laying around either, as long as its x-art quality.

- High quality video
- Ultra High Quality girls (not some ripped apart fake boobed pornstar)
- Gentle sex (no spit on my pussy and rip my face apart with your dick conversations)

If anyone has something produced already, im buying.

Budget btw is no problem..

Hit up Viv Thomas or Steve Hicks. I might be able to drag Jack Harrison of of retirement. might even be able to do a deal with him for his archives. Viv might have something in his archives you can buy. Everything is for sale, it's always a question of CAN YOU AFFORD TO BUY?

The situation is these guys can shoot it, not guys with "the right camera" these are guys with the right skills and a CV that proves it. It's very easy to say "I can do it." because you have the camera, shoot HD clear as daylight porn. Different thing to actually do it.

Seriously hit me up I do know people who have shot this level and still do. People who don't say they could, people who can show they have and still do.

Paul Markham · 11-19-2011, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Why is it expensive?
They go to Hedo (or a similar beach). Put the girl on the "beds" they have beachside with the white curtains. No need for any lighting because they are using the best light in the world (sunlight during the golden hour)

Then you film a hot skinny teen girl (dime a dozen) either masturbating or "romantically" fucking while using copywritten (stolen) music in the background.

I don't see anything expensive about those shoots at all. And I've been looking at a LOT of them because they are being submitted to my tube site like crazy. So far ZERO sales.

But the point is...why would you think that is an "expensive" shoot? Nothing special about the camera work. The lighting costs are ZERO. I'd pay the girl $300 for that solo shit and $1,000 for the hardcore. The guy in the hardcore would be lucky to get $100

Don't get me wrong...I'm not criticizing the content because I like it a lot. I'm just saying...it's not expensive at all to shoot. A typical shoot in LA is way more expensive.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Well..yeah I guess if you overpaid a shooter to do that it would be expensive. But what they are shooting isn't requiring much at all in on set expense.

And the shooter isn't even trying to get good angles and different shots. It looks like they kinda just tell a guy to fuck a teen and to hell with different positions or even having the model or the guy keep their hands out of the way of the shots. You can't see jack shit.

It's damn near ready for late night on Cinemax. lol

So if you did overpay a shooter...you would definitely be throwing your money in the garbage. Those scenes could almost be shot with a cam on a tripod and a remote control to zoom.

Then go and do it and anyone else who thinks they can do it.

This argument would work perfectly if in 2005 all the online content shooters were selling their work to offline paying up to 10 times what online paid. They submitted and were rejected time after time. Their work wasn't so good. On so many levels. I'm not a class of one, there are 100s of shooters who were selling to mags and not bothering to sell online. Go figure out why yourself.

Just because you can sit in a Formula 1 car and drive a Ford on a motorway, it doesn't mean you're Louis Hamilton. Simplified but you get my meaning.

Jack Sparrow · 11-19-2011, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelAfterlife

I shoot high end still and video so close to the style that the owner and main photographer of x-art talked with me a while back about shoot for the site.

my site:
www.angelafterlife.com

sample video:
http://www.angelafterlife.com/LOCK/J...Breathless.wmv

Left you a message on icq. Hit me up when you are back online!

TheDoc · 11-19-2011, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then go and do it and anyone else who thinks they can do it.

This argument would work perfectly if in 2005 all the online content shooters were selling their work to offline paying up to 10 times what online paid. They submitted and were rejected time after time. Their work wasn't so good. On so many levels. I'm not a class of one, there are 100s of shooters who were selling to mags and not bothering to sell online. Go figure out why yourself.

Just because you can sit in a Formula 1 car and drive a Ford on a motorway, it doesn't mean you're Louis Hamilton. Simplified but you get my meaning.

I know why they don't bother selling online.... they don't know how to and they don't have the ability to monetize it fully and it doesn't cost much to shoot pictures, so they have to spend little on-going money to make money.

With the proper adult company, a DVD can earn 5-20 times what it cost to produce. I highly doubt that a magazine photographer earns 5-20 times over the cost of the shoot, on a few photos.

MKA · 11-19-2011, 05:25 AM

At one point Jack Sparrow will be asking you for samples and more samples untill he has your complete archive for free.

TheSquealer · 11-19-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I know why they don't bother selling online.... they don't know how to and they don't have the ability to monetize it fully and it doesn't cost much to shoot pictures, so they have to spend little on-going money to make money.

With the proper adult company, a DVD can earn 5-20 times what it cost to produce. I highly doubt that a magazine photographer earns 5-20 times over the cost of the shoot, on a few photos.

He's full of shit. Think of it like this... you are a freelance writer. You typically write for free to get published and prove you can write. Sometimes, you get around .10 per word or so to write copy and articles for others. Every great once in a while, you get published in a large magazine and they pay you 1.00 per word.

Then you just run around talking about how difficult it is to write well, what it takes to get 1.00 per word, how you're worth every penny, how if people want quality articles, they have to pay 1.00 per word and so on... when the reality is you have rarely ever sold any articles for 1.00 per word.

Lets not forget Paul coming to GFY and begging for money to survive... It's not like he was a top shooter for magazines making all this money as he would like people to think he was. Also, it was about 2005 when he was begging for money to feed himself and his family... so contrast that with his comment below:

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This argument would work perfectly if in 2005 all the online content shooters were selling their work to offline paying up to 10 times what online paid.

TheDoc · 11-19-2011, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

He's full of shit. Think of it like this... you are a freelance writer. You typically write for free to get published and prove you can write. Sometimes, you get around .10 per word or so to write copy and articles for others. Every great once in a while, you get published in a large magazine and they pay you 1.00 per word.

Then you just run around talking about how difficult it is to write well, what it takes to get 1.00 per word, how you're worth every penny, how if people want quality articles, they have to pay 1.00 per word and so on... when the reality is you have rarely ever sold any articles for 1.00 per word.

Lets not forget Paul coming to GFY and begging for money to survive... It's not like he was a top shooter for magazines making all this money as he would like people to think he was. Also, it was about 2005 when he was begging for money to feed himself and his family... so contrast that with his comment below:

Hehe, that's a great perspective.... I never thought of it that way, but yeah, bang on.

I really only noticed PM within the last year or so, maybe two. Before that I do remember the magic join link bit, but not really anything with him.

With PM, I see him trying to compare an "income stream" to our Industries multiple ways to generate revenue. Your example highlights the limitations of his revenue stream, it's not recurring, it's not compounding, and it's not fast... basically it's not a business monetizing its content every way possible, it's a person making an income.

TheSquealer · 11-19-2011, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hehe, that's a great perspective.... I never thought of it that way, but yeah, bang on.

I really only noticed PM within the last year or so, maybe two. Before that I do remember the magic join link bit, but not really anything with him.

With PM, I see him trying to compare an "income stream" to our Industries multiple ways to generate revenue. Your example highlights the limitations of his revenue stream, it's not recurring, it's not compounding, and it's not fast... basically it's not a business monetizing its content every way possible, it's a person making an income.

He just summed up himself and his career in this thread.

in 2005, shooters were making 10 X more by selling to magazines

BUT

in 2005, Paul Markham was here on this forum begging for money to feed his family

Jack Sparrow · 11-19-2011, 07:52 AM

Lets get back to topic.

And please dont quote all these fools i have on ignore haha, its so nice and peacefull without having to read their trash

Seen some very very nice content. I bought some preproduced already, but still need a lot more. If you have content already edited and xart quality leave me a message with samples!

Paul Markham · 11-19-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I know why they don't bother selling online.... they don't know how to and they don't have the ability to monetize it fully and it doesn't cost much to shoot pictures, so they have to spend little on-going money to make money.

With the proper adult company, a DVD can earn 5-20 times what it cost to produce. I highly doubt that a magazine photographer earns 5-20 times over the cost of the shoot, on a few photos.

Most offline shooters shot for an average cost of $300 and sold in total for an average of $3,000 a set non exclusive.

The downside were shooting 10-20 sets a month for which they would rarely get paid anything for 6 months and on average 9 months.

We were doing 20 a month.
20 x $300 = $6000 a month
$6000 x 9 = $54,000

If a shooter sells everything he shoots, not a problem. If he doesn't he was throwing money into the fire. And that's why few of the online shooters ever sold to magazines. Not even by shooting and selling a few a month and building up the back log.

Yes DVDs did make that kind of return and for the same reasons they were not coming online to sell. Even more so with them, they knew selling online would devastate their sales to stores. Store chains would simply black list most of them and told them so.

So let's assume there was a lot of money to be made online with porn. Then why did most online companies that approached an offline shooter fail to recruit one? The answer is - they weren't paying enough.

This isn't just us, it's 100s of offline shooters. We were nearly all freelance, we would shoot for anyone with the money. Yet who ended up with a top offline shooter and who made do with anyone who could shoot cheap enough? It's a short list for offline shooter and a long one for cheap shooters.

We could easily sell a solo girl set for $35 10 times and if we shot a video a set+video for $60 10 times. So the return on the stores sale for a set was well over $350. For a set and video over $1,000. Which is why we never sold custom exclusive. All our content we sold to magazines, plus online and still own.

We can all clearly see what great content will do when trying to sell it. Met-Art, X-Art, Perfect Gonzo, Party Hardcore are just a few sites of a small number who have truly great content, or did. Why didn't more sites just go offline to get one of the best shooters and simply employ him or buy all his production to raise themselves above the pack to a level other sites couldn't reach with the shooters they had?

It really is that simple.

The shocking part is. If an online company had really thought it out and could afford it. They could of funded the shooter and the sites content for free or for very little.

The Porn Nerd · 11-19-2011, 08:20 AM

I hear ya Jack! Best of luck with your own program and content.

MaxCandy · 11-19-2011, 08:22 AM

i shoot that style 60% of time now

hit me up

Paul Markham · 11-19-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hehe, that's a great perspective.... I never thought of it that way, but yeah, bang on.

I really only noticed PM within the last year or so, maybe two. Before that I do remember the magic join link bit, but not really anything with him.

With PM, I see him trying to compare an "income stream" to our Industries multiple ways to generate revenue. Your example highlights the limitations of his revenue stream, it's not recurring, it's not compounding, and it's not fast... basically it's not a business monetizing its content every way possible, it's a person making an income.

Nice try to evade the truth by applying it to only me. But that's BS and if Squawker doesn't know he's stupid. Maybe he or you can name all the other offline shooter who are employed or partnered with online companies.

When he came to visit us, he was stupid enough to think I was going to hand over 1/3 of our studio operation to shoot his cheap sets. He lies we were struggling for money. Yet in the same post he say he met lots of our staff. Saw our large studio. Now does it make sense that a guy "struggling for money" hangs on to staff and a studio?

Or would a more logical conclusion be that a person not doing well would get rid of staff and studio?

IMO he was after a webcam studio. Which I would of turned down flat. It's 100% illogical that he would fly girls from Russia to Czech, bother getting a visa, put them up in an apartment to shoot cheap solo girl sets. While he was running a webcam studio in Russia.

TheSquealer · 11-19-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

IMO he was after a webcam studio. Which I would of turned down flat. It's 100% illogical that he would fly girls from Russia to Czech, bother getting a visa, put them up in an apartment to shoot cheap solo girl sets. While he was running a webcam studio in Russia.

Paul, stop lying. You're not good at it and no one believes you anyway. I've explained countless times why we spoke to you - of course you denied ever knowing me or that it happened as I was busting you wide open for being a crazy, broke dipshit... until i posted pics.

Jack Sparrow · 11-19-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I hear ya Jack! Best of luck with your own program and content.

Thanks!!!

TheDoc · 11-19-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Nice try to evade the truth by applying it to only me. But that's BS and if Squawker doesn't know he's stupid. Maybe he or you can name all the other offline shooter who are employed or partnered with online companies.

When he came to visit us, he was stupid enough to think I was going to hand over 1/3 of our studio operation to shoot his cheap sets. He lies we were struggling for money. Yet in the same post he say he met lots of our staff. Saw our large studio. Now does it make sense that a guy "struggling for money" hangs on to staff and a studio?

Or would a more logical conclusion be that a person not doing well would get rid of staff and studio?

IMO he was after a webcam studio. Which I would of turned down flat. It's 100% illogical that he would fly girls from Russia to Czech, bother getting a visa, put them up in an apartment to shoot cheap solo girl sets. While he was running a webcam studio in Russia.

The discussion was targeted towards you, so only applying it to you is logical.

Yeah, plenty are... that's the nature of business, if money is being made, people have jobs and make a living, others own the companies, and so on. Nobody said otherwise from what I saw.

I have no idea what the story is with you two, nor do I care.

Just Alex · 11-19-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Lets get back to topic.

And please dont quote all these fools i have on ignore haha, its so nice and peacefull without having to read their trash

Seen some very very nice content. I bought some preproduced already, but still need a lot more. If you have content already edited and xart quality leave me a message with samples!

I bet Pipo bought Paul's bargain basement special - "Hairy muffs of Lenka and Zdenka"
Quality entertainment.
For those producers that posted in here, please tell us what Pipo's excuse was not to buy from you?

Jack Sparrow · 11-19-2011, 11:36 AM

Another great set of videos bought.

Still looking for more, i guess i will be concentrating on buying already produced content (exclusive or semi-exclusive) because i get to many people with different stories and price ranges from $400 for a custom shoot up to $10k

Im still interested in custom shoots, but please, make sure you have quality examples ready for me to see. I have gotten enough "im so good and if you prepay me i will shoot this and that model" but without any good examples.

Thanks ya'll, keep them coming!

Ps. angelafterlife, didnt catch you online, what timezone are you in, the samples look promising!

TheDoc · 11-19-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Most offline shooters shot for an average cost of $300 and sold in total for an average of $3,000 a set non exclusive.

The downside were shooting 10-20 sets a month for which they would rarely get paid anything for 6 months and on average 9 months.

We were doing 20 a month.
20 x $300 = $6000 a month
$6000 x 9 = $54,000

If a shooter sells everything he shoots, not a problem. If he doesn't he was throwing money into the fire. And that's why few of the online shooters ever sold to magazines. Not even by shooting and selling a few a month and building up the back log.

Yes DVDs did make that kind of return and for the same reasons they were not coming online to sell. Even more so with them, they knew selling online would devastate their sales to stores. Store chains would simply black list most of them and told them so.

So let's assume there was a lot of money to be made online with porn. Then why did most online companies that approached an offline shooter fail to recruit one? The answer is - they weren't paying enough.

This isn't just us, it's 100s of offline shooters. We were nearly all freelance, we would shoot for anyone with the money. Yet who ended up with a top offline shooter and who made do with anyone who could shoot cheap enough? It's a short list for offline shooter and a long one for cheap shooters.

We could easily sell a solo girl set for $35 10 times and if we shot a video a set+video for $60 10 times. So the return on the stores sale for a set was well over $350. For a set and video over $1,000. Which is why we never sold custom exclusive. All our content we sold to magazines, plus online and still own.

We can all clearly see what great content will do when trying to sell it. Met-Art, X-Art, Perfect Gonzo, Party Hardcore are just a few sites of a small number who have truly great content, or did. Why didn't more sites just go offline to get one of the best shooters and simply employ him or buy all his production to raise themselves above the pack to a level other sites couldn't reach with the shooters they had?

It really is that simple.

The shocking part is. If an online company had really thought it out and could afford it. They could of funded the shooter and the sites content for free or for very little.

$6k a month is a job or a small business, even back in the 80's.... but that's the point, it's just an income stream.

Because plenty of online shooters do a perfectly fine job at a much cheaper rate? Business logical I guess.... If it was such a huge difference, those few offline companies that moved online, would kill online, but online wise - they don't.

Just like the 100's of self shot paysite owners, many of which that earn upwards of $300-$500k+ a month? Most of these people are earning $1000's to $10,000's per scene, per month, and normally never need to sell the content for pennies.

Those sites do have some nice content, and it's perfect for the buyers that like that niche style.

I guess when other paysites/companies that don't hire/partner with professionals and they earn as much and more than those that do, it is probably tough to convince people that it's needed for them to succeed - when it's not. It is needed because it fills a money gap in our Industry, but it's not what everyone should be doing.

Really, it's that simple....

Just Alex · 11-19-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Another great set of videos bought.

Paul, wich videos did Pipo buy from you?

Jack Sparrow · 11-19-2011, 12:22 PM

I really dont get the money/producer discussion in here.
If i think the content is what i need i pay whats on the pricetag. If its good enough to buy for later on i will try to get it cheaper.

Content is worth either what program owners want to pay for it, or what program owners think they can at least profit from if they buy it.

You could hire spielberg and get a millionair dollar set for a scene but if nobody wants to buy it you have a problem. If you have to ask your potential clients to pay $1000 for a membership, you have the same problem.

Costefficiency is something people can and will learn. Either the smart, or the hard way.

Although im not tight on budget, im not going to pay someone $15,000 in advance for 2 x 20 minute scenes. And believe me those kinds have been contacting me a lot.

On the other hand ive seen excellent content, 99% xart style for a reasonable price but i need way more to get anything remotely as good online.

Now.. Please lets get back to topic, which is exclusive or nonexclusive xart alike content. Preproduced or still to be shot exclusively its all fine with me.

All i ask for is that i can handpick the material i need.

Paul Markham · 11-19-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

I really dont get the money/producer discussion in here.
If i think the content is what i need i pay whats on the pricetag. If its good enough to buy for later on i will try to get it cheaper.

Content is worth either what program owners want to pay for it, or what program owners think they can at least profit from if they buy it.

No it's also worth what others are prepared to pay for it.

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You could hire spielberg and get a millionair dollar set for a scene but if nobody wants to buy it you have a problem. If you have to ask your potential clients to pay $1000 for a membership, you have the same problem.

Agreed. Obviously earning a profit from a purchase is essential. However if others can earn a bigger profit and pay more. They get to bite the apple first

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Now.. Please lets get back to topic, which is exclusive or nonexclusive xart alike content. Preproduced or still to be shot exclusively its all fine with me.

All i ask for is that i can handpick the material i need.

Did you get my message on ICQ? I have friends who are shooting the top level and have done for years. Their history is well known. They also have archive material that might be exactly what you want and at a good price.

Just Alex · 11-19-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No it's also worth what others are prepared to pay for it.

Agreed. Obviously earning a profit from a purchase is essential. However if others can earn a bigger profit and pay more. They get to bite the apple first

Did you get my message on ICQ? I have friends who are shooting the top level and have done for years. Their history is well known. They also have archive material that might be exactly what you want and at a good price.

Paul, he's too busy counting stacks of money.

Seriously, dont waste your time (although you have plenty) on this moron. He isn't buying anything. Just creating new topics because someone was busting his balls about his "user submitted" paysites. Trust me, he won't buy shit. He already told real content producers that he has "other". You know what that means, right?

Jack Sparrow · 11-20-2011, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelAfterlife

I shoot high end still and video so close to the style that the owner and main photographer of x-art talked with me a while back about shoot for the site.

Was great talking to you!

jimmycooper · 11-20-2011, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

I really dont get the money/producer discussion in here.
If i think the content is what i need i pay whats on the pricetag. If its good enough to buy for later on i will try to get it cheaper.

Content is worth either what program owners want to pay for it, or what program owners think they can at least profit from if they buy it.

You could hire spielberg and get a millionair dollar set for a scene but if nobody wants to buy it you have a problem. If you have to ask your potential clients to pay $1000 for a membership, you have the same problem.

Costefficiency is something people can and will learn. Either the smart, or the hard way.

Although im not tight on budget, im not going to pay someone $15,000 in advance for 2 x 20 minute scenes. And believe me those kinds have been contacting me a lot.

On the other hand ive seen excellent content, 99% xart style for a reasonable price but i need way more to get anything remotely as good online.

Now.. Please lets get back to topic, which is exclusive or nonexclusive xart alike content. Preproduced or still to be shot exclusively its all fine with me.

All i ask for is that i can handpick the material i need.

Very well said.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No it's also worth what others are prepared to pay for it.

Agreed. Obviously earning a profit from a purchase is essential. However if others can earn a bigger profit and pay more. They get to bite the apple first

Did you get my message on ICQ? I have friends who are shooting the top level and have done for years. Their history is well known. They also have archive material that might be exactly what you want and at a good price.

One thing I really do agree with Paul about is the quality of Viv Thomas' content.

Viv Thomas Cash

How old is Viv?

jimmycooper · 11-20-2011, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelAfterlife

I shoot high end still and video so close to the style that the owner and main photographer of x-art talked with me a while back about shoot for the site.

my site:
www.angelafterlife.com

sample video:
http://www.angelafterlife.com/LOCK/J...Breathless.wmv

Wow. Just checked out your site and you're pretty freaking awesome!

Jack Sparrow · 11-20-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Wow. Just checked out your site and you're pretty freaking awesome!

Yep some really good models on there. Cant wait to see the first videos!

Robbie · 11-20-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaxCandy

i shoot that style 60% of time now
hit me up

There ya go.

MaxCandy is the best shooter on GFY and has been for many, many years.

I looked up to your stuff when I opened up my content company back in the 90's and tried my best to emulate you (and fell woefully short)

MaxCandy · 11-20-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

There ya go.

MaxCandy is the best shooter on GFY and has been for many, many years.

I looked up to your stuff when I opened up my content company back in the 90's and tried my best to emulate you (and fell woefully short)

Thanks bud,

Been shooting stuff like Xart for years, before there was an XART.

MaxCandy · 11-20-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

If you dont know what i mean with x-art style please move on, no offense

Is there anyone out there that can shoot similar content, similar quality, and exclusive?
Where i can handpick the models i want to be in the video beforehand.

Solo and Hardcore. With a little bit of customized thingies for our websites.

Anyone?

tried to get you on icq no luck, lets chat, have an interesting offer for you

Just Alex · 11-20-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Was great talking to you!

How much did you buy baller?

Jack Sparrow · 11-20-2011, 11:52 AM

Will be there in about 1.5 hrs. Still sunday night family time but if you can make it in 1.5 i would love to chat.

jimmycooper · 11-20-2011, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxCandy

Thanks bud,

Been shooting stuff like Xart for years, before there was an XART.

BTW, Max, I finally watched Inglorious. Fucking awesome on so many levels.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet,buy it now.

Jack Sparrow · 11-21-2011, 12:31 AM

Bumpin it up.

MaxCandy · 11-21-2011, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

BTW, Max, I finally watched Inglorious. Fucking awesome on so many levels.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet,buy it now.

Thanks bud!

We are working on the next bigger and better one now, so excited

cheers,

MaxC

MaxCandy · 11-22-2011, 06:02 AM

bumparoo

TCLGirls · 11-22-2011, 06:07 AM

I am still learning x-art style...but if anyone would like to hire me for content production, please let me know

my portfolio: http://www.LazonaImagery.com

Catalyst · 11-22-2011, 06:20 AM

just sent you an ICQ.. 9493713

Diomed · 11-22-2011, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

when researching adult alexa stats x-art i found is one of the biggest. i know that's not the most accurate but for a paysite it's pretty big.

in that market not everyone is trying to rub one out as fast a possible some just like looking at hot chicks. some people think regular porn is gross and tasteless and disrespectful of the women.

Agreed.

I think a lot of it is tasteless and disrespectful to women.. and that puts me off for sure.

When I see a girl who is completely not enjoying the scene, it ruins it for me. I for one at least like the women to "appear" that they are both comfortable and enjoying themselves.

Fair point.

MaxCandy · 11-22-2011, 06:53 AM

Making women look hot and beautiful, who would have ever thought that might sell?

Paul Markham · 11-22-2011, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

One thing I really do agree with Paul about is the quality of Viv Thomas' content.

Viv Thomas Cash

How old is Viv?

IMO Viv has a CV in porn that raises him to the top table. He's been shooting great stuff for decades. He's freelance and will shoot for Jack or anyone. Just a matter of cost.

He also has an archive that might be for sale, if the price is right. I have his email address, and will send him this thread.

Not sure of his age, I suspect he's in the same bracket as me. He also had throat cancer 5\6 years ago and now cured.

a.miles · 11-30-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

Lets get back to topic.

And please dont quote all these fools i have on ignore haha, its so nice and peacefull without having to read their trash

Seen some very very nice content. I bought some preproduced already, but still need a lot more. If you have content already edited and xart quality leave me a message with samples!

Please contact me
we customize our production to meet your requirements
custom made production exclusive to you
We meet your budget and offer excellent prices
Highest quality of video, pix, Talent and top location!
Please hit me up and i'll show you some samples (we've been doing this type of scenes for a long time now)
ICQ: 598608620

11-19-2011, 04:11 AM	#56
AngelAfterlife Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Paris Posts: 437	I shoot high end still and video so close to the style that the owner and main photographer of x-art talked with me a while back about shoot for the site. my site: www.angelafterlife.com sample video: http://www.angelafterlife.com/LOCK/J...Breathless.wmv __________________ Angel Afterlife ICQ 572344556 www.angelafterlife.com [email protected]

11-19-2011, 04:20 AM	#58
RandyD Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 283	X-art sells like shit off a stick - unique site - wish we had dozens of them to promot instead of the usual american hardcore shit, that noone seems to want to pay for anymore. __________________ Brutal Bucks - Extreme sites that STILL sell

11-19-2011, 08:20 AM	#69
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,327	I hear ya Jack! Best of luck with your own program and content. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold (Coming Soon) Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

11-19-2011, 08:22 AM	#70
MaxCandy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Montreal, London, Prague, Budapest, LA and Vegas Posts: 3,750	i shoot that style 60% of time now hit me up __________________ Need a High-End Custom Shoot? Award Winning Producer / Director / Industry Consultant. Five of my Feature Films have been given top AVN / XBIZ / VENUS awards; How I Became A Sexual Slave 2016, L’Innocente 2014, Inglorious Bitches 2013, Ritual 2011 & Sexual Adventures of Little Red 2009 SINCE 1996 - IMDB Imdb.com - SAMPLES/AWARDS MaxCandy.com Email MaxCandy at MaxCandy.com

11-22-2011, 06:02 AM	#94
MaxCandy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Montreal, London, Prague, Budapest, LA and Vegas Posts: 3,750	bumparoo __________________ Need a High-End Custom Shoot? Award Winning Producer / Director / Industry Consultant. Five of my Feature Films have been given top AVN / XBIZ / VENUS awards; How I Became A Sexual Slave 2016, L’Innocente 2014, Inglorious Bitches 2013, Ritual 2011 & Sexual Adventures of Little Red 2009 SINCE 1996 - IMDB Imdb.com - SAMPLES/AWARDS MaxCandy.com Email MaxCandy at MaxCandy.com

11-18-2011, 06:39 PM	#53
B.Barnato So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,618	Pipo gets a 9/10 rating for this one from me. The only thing holding him back from full points is the outlandish scenario in this storyline.

11-19-2011, 05:25 AM	#63
MKA Hey... Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: NL Posts: 533	At one point Jack Sparrow will be asking you for samples and more samples untill he has your complete archive for free.

11-19-2011, 07:52 AM	#67
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Lets get back to topic. And please dont quote all these fools i have on ignore haha, its so nice and peacefull without having to read their trash Seen some very very nice content. I bought some preproduced already, but still need a lot more. If you have content already edited and xart quality leave me a message with samples!

11-19-2011, 11:36 AM	#76
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Another great set of videos bought. Still looking for more, i guess i will be concentrating on buying already produced content (exclusive or semi-exclusive) because i get to many people with different stories and price ranges from $400 for a custom shoot up to $10k Im still interested in custom shoots, but please, make sure you have quality examples ready for me to see. I have gotten enough "im so good and if you prepay me i will shoot this and that model" but without any good examples. Thanks ya'll, keep them coming! Ps. angelafterlife, didnt catch you online, what timezone are you in, the samples look promising!

11-19-2011, 12:22 PM	#79
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	I really dont get the money/producer discussion in here. If i think the content is what i need i pay whats on the pricetag. If its good enough to buy for later on i will try to get it cheaper. Content is worth either what program owners want to pay for it, or what program owners think they can at least profit from if they buy it. You could hire spielberg and get a millionair dollar set for a scene but if nobody wants to buy it you have a problem. If you have to ask your potential clients to pay $1000 for a membership, you have the same problem. Costefficiency is something people can and will learn. Either the smart, or the hard way. Although im not tight on budget, im not going to pay someone $15,000 in advance for 2 x 20 minute scenes. And believe me those kinds have been contacting me a lot. On the other hand ive seen excellent content, 99% xart style for a reasonable price but i need way more to get anything remotely as good online. Now.. Please lets get back to topic, which is exclusive or nonexclusive xart alike content. Preproduced or still to be shot exclusively its all fine with me. All i ask for is that i can handpick the material i need.

11-20-2011, 11:52 AM	#90
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Will be there in about 1.5 hrs. Still sunday night family time but if you can make it in 1.5 i would love to chat.

11-21-2011, 12:31 AM	#92
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	Bumpin it up.

11-22-2011, 06:07 AM	#95
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	I am still learning x-art style...but if anyone would like to hire me for content production, please let me know my portfolio: http://www.LazonaImagery.com

11-22-2011, 06:20 AM	#96
Catalyst Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vegas Posts: 3,243	just sent you an ICQ.. 9493713

11-22-2011, 06:53 AM	#98
MaxCandy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Montreal, London, Prague, Budapest, LA and Vegas Posts: 3,750	Making women look hot and beautiful, who would have ever thought that might sell? __________________ Need a High-End Custom Shoot? Award Winning Producer / Director / Industry Consultant. Five of my Feature Films have been given top AVN / XBIZ / VENUS awards; How I Became A Sexual Slave 2016, L’Innocente 2014, Inglorious Bitches 2013, Ritual 2011 & Sexual Adventures of Little Red 2009 SINCE 1996 - IMDB Imdb.com - SAMPLES/AWARDS MaxCandy.com Email MaxCandy at MaxCandy.com