WF's Big Mainstream Secret

[stoka]

Posting here as no one reads other subforums ;) hope it's ok

OK so I went to that forum where supposedly the biggest mainstream ballers gather and after lots of reading (it's almost as fun as GFY used to be) I'm still not sure what they are actually doing to make their buck.

No one doesn't reveal any info, almost everything is a major secret.

Of course there're hundreds of ways to make money online but it looks to me that the main thing is (or at least is what big (?) players want others to beleive) - is CPA.

So my guess is that:

1. They pick (or create their own) electronically distributed product to promote - software (for masses), some bullshit ebook etc which brings 70-90% off each sale.

2. They buy lots of traffic... somewhere.

3. They pour traffic to one of those 600px wide pages with lots of text and shit and call for action buttons =) then keep tweaking them up trying to squeeze out as many sales as possible

4. Make money, move on, go to #1 with new product.

You can go to that forum and read everything but soon you'll find out that only #3 is discussed. #1 and #2 are hardly mentioned, I don't know if they even exist ;)

Is this what they do, am I right or wrong?

[fris]

they come out with half asses bullshit products, that people are gulliable to buying, 98% of the time the product is garbage and not worth it.

but you can make 20-30k off a simple cheap product that people think is going to help them make money when in fact its just basic info you can find on google.

[AdultKing]

Forget make money products, most of them are simply fraud products.

There is serious money in mainstream and it's so easy, it's stupid.

Look around you, anything you use on a regular basis, electricity, mobile phone, insurance, software, computers, services, you name it. Each one of these things provides you the chance to get between the supplier and consumer and take a cut.

You need to choose your niches carefully and use proven tools like Market Samurai to research niches within markets. Do your homework and you will find numerous ways to offer mainstream services/products and take your cut.

I have an online electricity supplier comparison site for Melbourne, each month maybe 20 or 30 people sign up to one of the plans. I get 5% of their payments for life, a few hundred customers a year multiplied by 5% of their electricity bills adds up quickly.

[seeandsee]

but traffic, sell product, find ROI

[stoka]

Originally Posted by fris

they come out with half asses bullshit products, that people are gulliable to buying, 98% of the time the product is garbage and not worth it.

but you can make 20-30k off a simple cheap product that people think is going to help them make money when in fact its just basic info you can find on google.

Exactly my thoughts. Then they start a blog with ferrari cows in header teaching you how to make money selling tanglible goods for $10/sale, pick your niche, find right keyword, post unique articles and apply for the newsletter so I can sell you more tools and wisdom ebooks lol

[stoka]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

You need to choose your niches carefully and use proven tools like Market Samurai to research niches within markets. Do your homework and you will find numerous ways to offer mainstream services/products and take your cut.

That's what I'm talking about lol

[fris]

Originally Posted by stoka

Exactly my thoughts. Then they start a blog with ferrari cows in header teaching you how to make money selling tanglible goods for $10/sale, pick your niche, find right keyword, post unique articles and apply for the newsletter so I can sell you more tools and wisdom ebooks lol

theirs only 1 product i bought off there that is actually worth it, the google video sitemap generator plugin for wp.

[cherrylula]

If you've made money in adult and can't figure out mainstream, McDonald's is always hiring.

[drmadcat]

in over a year ive made just over $100 with adsense
and that's from not trying

[stoka]

Guys this is about those $xx,xxx campaigns they're talking about not $100 a year or a day. I have $50/day with adsense but that is after LOTS of work.

This is fair amount of traffic to test various mainstream CPAs and let me tell you something whatever you try to promote you keep looking at zeros in stats or get back the same as with adsense at best.

[MrPotatoBread]

Seems like all I see is some random ebook on how individuals made $1,796,250.00 this year working 1 hour a day on autopilot. I can't believe people actually buy these things. The real question is how are the people selling products which are actually useful in mainstream? Are they spending big money on traffic? How are they identifying the next big product to push? What's the strategy? Simple squeeze page to a CPA network?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

If you've made money in adult and can't figure out mainstream, McDonald's is always hiring.

Not in this recession lol

[BareBacked]

Are you talking about the warriors or the wicked ?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MrPotatoBread

Seems like all I see is some random ebook on how individuals made $1,796,250.00 this year working 1 hour a day on autopilot. I can't believe people actually buy these things. The real question is how are the people selling products which are actually useful in mainstream? Are they spending big money on traffic? How are they identifying the next big product to push? What's the strategy? Simple squeeze page to a CPA network?

Na they just make money telling others how much they make a month. Personally I never liked any of the mainstream affiliate programs and I was never a fan of CPA stuff. I think if you look around there are 2 decent ways to make money.

Sell advertising or sell your own products, this way you have full control and not at the mercy of some affiliate program. Personally, I will never again push another affiliate program after seeing how it turned out when things started going down hill in adult. It's far too easy for companies to close or simply not pay you causing your income to disappear.

The only reason IMO that affiliate model worked so well in adult is because the profit margin was so high they could afford to pay out decent payments. In mainstream those are few and far between and the ones that might be good are pushed everywhere.

My suggestion is find a small niche and develop a product to sell with-in that target market.

[My Pimp]

That sounds interesting. I have to think about it.

[stoka]

Originally Posted by BareBacked

Are you talking about the warriors or the wicked ?

wicked

...

[AdultNex]

LOL @ you guys trying to figure out mainstream. If you haven't jumped ship years ago, you're too late. Mainstream = More niches = Less saturation (depending on niche) = More $$$

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by stoka

That's what I'm talking about lol

Nobody is going to give you a step by step roadmap, they'll teach you methods however implementing them is something you need to work out. What I said in my above post is true and gives you a really big hint.

Any product you use, you can sell to others and take your cut. The best products are products that people pay for monthly and have a pain of disconnect, such as Pay TV, Internet, Mobile Phones, Insurance, Electricity. In Australia at least it's possible to sell all these things to people online.

People always want to save money on their electricity bill, we have a number of electricity retailers and the plans are confusing, setting up a comparison site and taking a commission for each customer signed up is like money for jam.

As for Market Samurai, ignore the sales page, just get the product. Nothing will streamline the search for niches like it will. As a keyword research tool, seo competition tool, rank tracking tool - nothing beats it.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

sturgeon.

This is a video done on my Uncle's Sturgeon farm. He's pretty big into it you might find it interesting.

h**p://growingbolder.com/against-all-odds-florida-farmer-271415.html#content_tabs

(didn't link for obvious reasons)

[XPays]

at http://nonadult.com publishers are making money in several different ways:

media buy arbitrage- buy traffic and send to pre-sell page and promote CPA offers on there

social media traffic- buy facebook traffic and send to dating and other offers

email- duh

mommy bloggers- blog about daily stuff and market female focused offers

etc...

sign up at http://nonadult.com and connect with an experienced account manager that can help

[JamesGw]

I'm a pretty active member on WF. It has a lot of pretty good info, although some people do prefer to keep their shit pretty hush hush. Since it's an IM forum, a lot of the stuff has people trying to sell to other marketers. That said, the people who make real money don't really sell to that niche.

[stoka]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Nobody is going to give you a step by step roadmap, they'll teach you methods however implementing them is something you need to work out. What I said in my above post is true and gives you a really big hint.

I didn't ask for a roadmap. I'm just wondering if most of those stories are bullshit or not. I think that they are but what do I know. But if I'd come here and said that I have paysites that convert 1:50 on bulk traffic and would never reveal not a single url or a single bit of detail while keep babbling about landing pages and shit... who'd ever buy such a story?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by AdultNex

LOL @ you guys trying to figure out mainstream. If you haven't jumped ship years ago, you're too late. Mainstream = More niches = Less saturation (depending on niche) = More $$$

I dip in mainstream but its way harder to get good hardlinks. for instance with adult you can post on a forum and get 20 link trades that will boost your site up. If you post on mainstream forum you get 2 link trades.

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I have an online electricity supplier comparison site for Melbourne, each month maybe 20 or 30 people sign up to one of the plans. I get 5% of their payments for life, a few hundred customers a year multiplied by 5% of their electricity bills adds up quickly.

This is the first good info I've seen on GFY in a while.

Do you have any tips on finding affiliate programs for good products like this? So often the only affiliate programs are just for shit products.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by stoka

I didn't ask for a roadmap. I'm just wondering if most of those stories are bullshit or not. I think that they are but what do I know. But if I'd come here and said that I have paysites that convert 1:50 on bulk traffic and would never reveal not a single url or a single bit of detail while keep babbling about landing pages and shit... who'd ever buy such a story?

I know guys in mainstream who make $100k ad buys, testing various products and combinations of sales technique and when they hit something that converts really well, they will throw $20k - $30k a day at those products.

A really successful Aussie, who is on the WF incidentally, is James Schramko. He makes literally millions from IM and he has great products to teach you, however for every guy like James there are 1000 people selling fraud get rich quick products which wont work.

Most of the people making moderate income on WF are making that money from selling to other wannabe IM'ers.

That said there are diamonds in the rough, things like Market Samurai. Market Samurai makes available excellent training for free, the software in it's most basic form can be tested for free and it's backed by a real company.

The key is to remember; most people telling you that you can make $ from IM want to sell you a product on making $ from IM. Some people selling products and training helping you with your business may be selling something worthwhile but you need to do your homework first.

DO listen to people you trust. DONT listen to the general rabble.

[Argos88]

well, why should I personally reveal my mainstream business if people in adult who supposely make tons with webcams+dating, don't reveal their secrets??

I have tried to convert webcams for the last 2 years and gave up, because the ratio is Fucking shitty and its harder to convert cams than a paysite that is available for free. and according to people in this forum, the only thing that does money right now in adult is "webcams+dating"... so?? We are definitely missing something here..

so again.. why should a mainstream webmaster tell you his secrets when nobody in adult is going to tell HIS SECRETS to convert webcams?

and yes, mainstream does a lot of money and converts way better than adult.. of course I still make some extra cash off adult, but all from paysite memberships.

[porno jew]

[96ukssob]

"Easiest" way you make money 3 is ways...

1) ad space - adsense, sell spots, etc.
2) selling information - ebooks
3) CPA networks - cj.com, etc.

Find something you know a lot about, from landscaping to putting pencils in your pee hole and write about it. sell information then drawl people to your site to buy more and spam them with offers.

I have a few friends that make a TON of cash with this. I'm writing an ebook on it actually... great success!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by bigluv

This is the first good info I've seen on GFY in a while.

Do you have any tips on finding affiliate programs for good products like this? So often the only affiliate programs are just for shit products.

Think outside the box of "affiliate programs" in general.

Come on guys, this is doing business online. BUSINESS. The good stuff does not come at you on a silver platter. You need to go scoop it up yourself.

There are hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of businesses in the United States alone that know absolutely nothing about the Internet, Internet marketing, and how to wield the power of Internet marketing to grow their business. Everyone on this message board should have that knowledge and capability. USE IT.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I dip in mainstream but its way harder to get good hardlinks. for instance with adult you can post on a forum and get 20 link trades that will boost your site up. If you post on mainstream forum you get 2 link trades.

Nobody needs to trade links in mainstream. Make you own links.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by Argos88

well, why should I personally reveal my mainstream business if people in adult who supposely make tons with webcams+dating, don't reveal their secrets??

I have tried to convert webcams for the last 2 years and gave up, because the ratio is Fucking shitty and its harder to convert cams than a paysite that is available for free. and according to people in this forum, the only thing that does money right now in adult is "webcams+dating"... so?? We are definitely missing something here..

I don't know too much about how you were trying to push webcams and dating the past, but in most cases if you're building a site that's framed around just pushing webcams or dating unless you already have a source of qualified traffic or you're a master at SEO that's probably the wrong approach.

What's great about dating and webcams is that you can throw ads up on almost any site and you're sure to monetize some of the traffic. They have a broad appeal and they meet a need for human interaction, which is a more resilient business model in rocky times, but they aren't the only sites making money.

Bossku69 is on the right track by saying pick something you know and roll with it and decide what kind of play you want to make. Do you want to build gateway sites that bounce people to premium products and services, do you want to do a lead gen play and collect and market to a base you build? How far do you want to take it, it's not a one size fits all thing.

I don't have any kids, but someone mentioned mommies and let me tell you there are some big bucks right there- here's why:

Say you have a blog or a message board for expectant mothers, something where you can capture their information and build a base. Think about the life cycle of products you can market to these leads. Starting with maternity, nursery, infant, toddler, elementary school, etc.

It's not my cup of tea but there's gold in them there hills.

You want to really get the most blood from a stone I would suggest focusing on a lifestyle. The doors of ancillary offers are open. The key is though it's gotta be something you know. If you want any back up to that take a look at the luke warm reception most gay sites build by straight men seem to get from the gay community the try to market them to.

It's been a long day so I hope I"m making sense.

[stoka]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

I know guys in mainstream who make $100k ad buys, testing various products and combinations of sales technique and when they hit something that converts really well, they will throw $20k - $30k a day at those products.

And can you name only ONE thing that they pushed with $20k/day traffic. Give me something so old news than no one would buy it today

Originally Posted by Argos88

so again.. why should a mainstream webmaster tell you his secrets when nobody in adult is going to tell HIS SECRETS to convert webcams?

At least people here tell you it's webcams. Or dating. There no one tells you a thing. I keep asking for an example of a product someone in mainstream pushed with success and nada. So my conclusion is that it must be get-rich ebook or worse such as hidden nasty toolbar, spyware etc. And I also suspect that that $20k/day traffic is actually an email spam campaign or popups and redirections from those toolbars.

I have 1.5M page views a month on my mainstream sites and I tested no less than 100 regular (CJ, linkxchange etc) CPAs and I never found a product that's worth replacing adsense link units with.

[$5 submissions]

WAFO is a hoot

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Nobody needs to trade links in mainstream. Make you own links.

Ok but how do you get quality backlinks? When you trade links you get links from link partner's homepage that is strong and when you make your links in mainstream you usually getting "non homepage" burried pr0 links (directories, forum profiles, social site etc)..

[Sly]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Ok but how do you get quality backlinks? When you trade links you get links from link partner's homepage that is strong and when you make your links in mainstream you usually getting "non homepage" burried pr0 links (directories, forum profiles, social site etc)..

He is most likely referring to building your own feeder sites, which would give you as many quality back links as you want, assuming you have the discipline to create a "quality" site. Create your own network. It takes time and is expensive, but it works.

When I first started in adult I had the same issue, I could not figure out how to get back links (even though I could in mainstream.) I set out and built my own network of 600+ feeder sites. It still holds its own after half a decade.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by stoka

And can you name only ONE thing that they pushed with $20k/day traffic. Give me something so old news than no one would buy it today

I have a friend who is pushing 10k a day of traffic to a Foxtel offer at the moment, he's made an average of $30k profit a day from it in referrals, or about 400 new customers signed up a day @ $100 a customer.

I have another friend who is pushing $xx of traffic to Virgin Credit and it getting $65 per (successful) credit card application, he's made an average of $50k a day for the last week, the promo has a week to go.

Both of these are current products in our market.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by stoka

At least people here tell you it's webcams. Or dating. There no one tells you a thing. I keep asking for an example of a product someone in mainstream pushed with success and nada. So my conclusion is that it must be get-rich ebook or worse such as hidden nasty toolbar, spyware etc. And I also suspect that that $20k/day traffic is actually an email spam campaign or popups and redirections from those toolbars.

I've already told you I push electricity retailers in Melbourne, obviously you don't really want to listen.

ANYTHING you use on a monthly basis is open for you to become an affiliate, buddy the best things to push as an affiliate DO NOT have an affiliate link at the bottom of the official sites, you need to pick up the phone and make deals.

[Cyber Fucker]

Lots of lols in this thread.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Ok but how do you get quality backlinks? When you trade links you get links from link partner's homepage that is strong and when you make your links in mainstream you usually getting "non homepage" burried pr0 links (directories, forum profiles, social site etc)..

web 2.0's, profiles, blog comments, social bookmarks, blah blah blah ... build your own.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

A year ago I was watching PBS about a firearms company knowingly not correcting a faulty trigger mechanism, eventually killing numerous people around the US. They paid millions defending themselves rather then recalling millions of rifles worldwide or paying wrongful death suits.

I saw that show too. Good on you for spreading the knowledge.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

That said there are diamonds in the rough, things like Market Samurai. Market Samurai makes available excellent training for free, the software in it's most basic form can be tested for free and it's backed by a real company.

The key is to remember; most people telling you that you can make $ from IM want to sell you a product on making $ from IM. Some people selling products and training helping you with your business may be selling something worthwhile but you need to do your homework first.

DO listen to people you trust. DONT listen to the general rabble.

fixed the link for you so it goes directly to the main site instead of a crappy redirect

[Argos88]

Originally Posted by stoka

And can you name only ONE thing that they pushed with $20k/day traffic. Give me something so old news than no one would buy it today



At least people here tell you it's webcams. Or dating. There no one tells you a thing. I keep asking for an example of a product someone in mainstream pushed with success and nada. So my conclusion is that it must be get-rich ebook or worse such as hidden nasty toolbar, spyware etc. And I also suspect that that $20k/day traffic is actually an email spam campaign or popups and redirections from those toolbars.

I have 1.5M page views a month on my mainstream sites and I tested no less than 100 regular (CJ, linkxchange etc) CPAs and I never found a product that's worth replacing adsense link units with.

well.. I can talk on my own and I don't promote any of those CPA or scamming products..

mainstream is huge, and there are so a lot of opportunities.

Following your logics, I can also think that those doing money with webcams or dating, are doing some ewhoring or scamming or cookie stuffing to make money..

If you put a banner on a blog and send 1 million uniques to the sponsor you can get 0 sales... obviously there must be something else, that people keep hiding..

see.. nobody answered me.. that's because they don't want to reveal their nasty secrets, right?

[RycEric]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/12418828/cpa-webmasters

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by porno jew

web 2.0's, profiles, blog comments, social bookmarks, blah blah blah ... build your own.

Thats what I was saying - all these (especially profile) are usually very low value pr0 backlinks. While when you do simple link trading in adult you can get 20 authority or semi authority links from HOME pages of decent sites.

[Jon]

You had better be referring to Warrior Forum, because that's what it sounds like, and not my place over at WickedFire. If that's the case, then you're spot on, if you're referring to my forum then thems fighting words, because I have fought that other side of the industry for yearssss... in fact, all of my cc's and IP's are perm banned on Clickbank for destroying so many guru fuckheads' product launches.

There's no use in fighting it much anymore though, because there is just a never ending stream of imbeciles who will buy just about anything, and for every gurufail taken out of the mix, he/she is replaced by 50 more gurufails. If they wanna scam the noobs, let them. Maybe one of those noobs will be a retired Attorney General someday.

Sharing is caring.

[chaze]

Originally Posted by Jon

You had better be referring to Warrior Forum, because that's what it sounds like, and not my place over at WickedFire. If that's the case, then you're spot on, if you're referring to my forum then thems fighting words, because I have fought that other side of the industry for yearssss... in fact, all of my cc's and IP's are perm banned on Clickbank for destroying so many guru fuckheads' product launches.

There's no use in fighting it much anymore though, because there is just a never ending stream of imbeciles who will buy just about anything, and for every gurufail taken out of the mix, he/she is replaced by 50 more gurufails. If they wanna scam the noobs, let them. Maybe one of those noobs will be a retired Attorney General someday.

Sharing is caring.

These con artists fuck it up for everyone. Once these people get scammed they bail from internet business. Otherwise we all would have more money to be made.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by chaze

These con artists fuck it up for everyone. Once these people get scammed they bail from internet business. Otherwise we all would have more money to be made.

Think of those that mass exit afterwards as less competition ultimately. But most of them do worse than just leave, they stick around and become overnight instant gurus themselves. Its a never ending process.

[fris]

Originally Posted by Jon

Think of those that mass exit afterwards as less competition ultimately. But most of them do worse than just leave, they stick around and become overnight instant gurus themselves. Its a never ending process.

yes i think everyone assumed warriorforum, you can find some decent info on your board, I think only Brad Gosse that posts here, is on warriorforum, he even tried spamming that god awful easyvideoplayer crap in a flash player thread.

99% of those products are pure scam, all it is , is nice packaging to make the gullable person think they are going to make money, when in fact the owner thats selling the product is the only one making the cash.

Im pretty sure even Brad sells a system for $497 a month, shows the gullable people out there.

The people that peddle that shit in my mind are worse than the people that steal adult content for tube sites.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by fris

The people that peddle that shit in my mind are worse than the people that steal adult content for tube sites.

99% of those products are fraud products, pure and simple.

The only products I have found super useful that I have seen on WF are Popup Domination, FlexSqueeze and Market Samurai - I use all three and am happy to refer people to them as they are good products. Most of the other crap you couldn't refer anyone to without being part of the fraud.

[chipmunk]

There is no money to be made in "mainstream"!
Now shuffle along...

-=Chipmunk=-