When will we see the first person extradited to the US to face obscenity charges?

[moeloubani]

After reading about Megaupload and the kid from the UK, does anyone have any guesses when someone from outside the US will be brought in to face obscenity charges? I'm guessing within the next 5 years we will see it happen. Looks like we are all subject to the laws of the US now even if we don't live there.

[pornmasta]

i doubt so... at least in france, if something is not prohibited here...

[blackmonsters]

When someone host it on US servers.

Don't host things in a another country without knowing their laws.

If it's on a US server then it's in the US. That's pretty simple.

But bottom line : These people stole from US citizens who owned those copyrights.
Thinking that we are going to sit here like a bunch of fucking idiots while getting robbed
by people that we could bomb off the face of the earth is naive.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

When someone host it on US servers.

Don't host things in a another country without knowing their laws.

If it's on a US server then it's in the US. That's pretty simple.

But bottom line : These people stole from US citizens who owned those copyrights.
Thinking that we are going to sit here like a bunch of fucking idiots while getting robbed
by people that we could bomb off the face of the earth is naive.

That is what made the megaupload shutdown possible ...

Do not host in the US ( or with a US company division ), do not use a US registrar, if possible, use a tld that is not .com, .net, .info, .org , do not use a US payment processor , do not have US office , and do not go to the US ...

[Dirty Dane]

Don't host in Iran.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Don't host in Iran.

Like they have more than 2 servers anyway.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Thinking that we are going to sit here like a bunch of fucking idiots while getting robbed
by people that we could bomb off the face of the earth is naive.

Nobody is going to start bombing anyone over some pirated movies.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Nobody is going to start bombing anyone over some pirated movies.

Why, because it makes less money than oil?



But seriously, it's not about bombing, it's about the US not being hesitant to pursue
individuals in countries that the US can easily dominate in a conflict or are reliant on US
aid and or military support in addition to trade.
Bombing was just a metaphor and a lot less typing.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Why, because it makes less money than oil?



But seriously, it's not about bombing, it's about the US not being hesitant to pursue
individuals in countries that the US can easily dominate in a conflict or are reliant on US
aid and or military support in addition to trade.
Bombing was just a metaphor and a lot less typing.

Trolling is a art

[moeloubani]

lots of porn is hosted in the US, what if one day some prosecutor or politician wanted to bring in someone from Montreal or Thailand and charge them?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

lots of porn is hosted in the US, what if one day some prosecutor or politician wanted to bring in someone from Montreal or Thailand and charge them?

1. America authorities will pursue someone who commits crimes in America no matter
where they are from or where they run to.

2. Hosting illegal content on a server in America is a crime committed in America.

3. Which part of 1 and 2 don't you understand?

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

1. America authorities will pursue someone who commits crimes in America no matter
where they are from or where they run to.

2. Hosting illegal content on a server in America is a crime committed in America.

3. Which part of 1 and 2 don't you understand?

What are you fucking stupid? You see the question I'm asking? I already know those things and I'm asking when people think it will start happening with obscenity charges related to running porn sites.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

What are you fucking stupid? You see the question I'm asking? I already know those things and I'm asking when people think it will start happening with obscenity charges related to running porn sites.

It already happens with CP.



Hint : The shit needs to be illegal first.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

It already happens with CP.



Hint : The shit needs to be illegal first.

I understand child porn even though I still think people should get punished by their own countries, but what I'm talking about here is obscenity charges like the ones Max Hardcore got put away for. The girls weren't underage, the documentation was all there but just because it was rough some people decided to call it obscene and he went to jail. What if one day some people decide a Manwin movie is obscene, will the US go after them?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

I understand child porn even though I still think people should get punished by their own countries, but what I'm talking about here is obscenity charges like the ones Max Hardcore got put away for. The girls weren't underage, the documentation was all there but just because it was rough some people decided to call it obscene and he went to jail. What if one day some people decide a Manwin movie is obscene, will the US go after them?

Yes.

You may have a hard time understanding why Max Hardcore was charged but you
should consider that a personal problem to resolve with a psychiatrist.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

I understand child porn even though I still think people should get punished by their own countries, but what I'm talking about here is obscenity charges like the ones Max Hardcore got put away for. The girls weren't underage, the documentation was all there but just because it was rough some people decided to call it obscene and he went to jail. What if one day some people decide a Manwin movie is obscene, will the US go after them?

Don't sweat it. Nobody is ever going to get extradited to the USA for producing Max Hardcore style porn unless we end up with a bible thumper like Santorum in the White House and that ain't likely to happen.
.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yes.

You may have a hard time understanding why Max Hardcore was charged but you
should consider that a personal problem to resolve with a psychiatrist.

Max isn't exactly my cup of tea either, but no one forced those girls to work with him. A simple fact that even the government more or less conceded by electing not to charge him with sexual abuse.

I'm glad to see that the current administration in Washington has their priorities in better order.
.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

After reading about Megaupload and the kid from the UK, does anyone have any guesses when someone from outside the US will be brought in to face obscenity charges? I'm guessing within the next 5 years we will see it happen. Looks like we are all subject to the laws of the US now even if we don't live there.

Russia does not extradite its citizens to other countries. No reason to worry about

[just a punk]

Hint: don't host your adult resources in the USA. Host them in EU countries where is no obscenity laws.

[kazbalah]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

When someone host it on US servers.

Don't host things in a another country without knowing their laws.

If it's on a US server then it's in the US. That's pretty simple.

But bottom line : These people stole from US citizens who owned those copyrights.
Thinking that we are going to sit here like a bunch of fucking idiots while getting robbed
by people that we could bomb off the face of the earth is naive.

This is whats wrong with America

[DWB]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

This is whats wrong with America

Yea, silly us for wanting to own our intellectual property.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Unless, the content is found obscene under the standards required in the infamous Miller v. California 413 U.S. 15 (1972) the content is not obscene and the content's producer is not guilty of *obscenity*

see: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...3_0015_ZS.html

Extradition is very unlikely. However, an in rem seizure of a server and its contents in an obscenity indictment is possible.

If you produce or promote content that includes, but is not limited to, rape, simulated rape, hard core BDSM, zoo, scat -- don't be a US person or host your servers in a datacenter in the US.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by DWB

Yea, silly us for wanting to own our intellectual property.

Dude you take advantage of dirty broke women in third world countries to earn a living. Get off your high horse.

There is nothing wrong with protecting intellectual property, but some of the ignorant debate on here related to things like SOPA is ridiculous. I have noted consistently in your posts that you are completely ignorant of the actual specifics of the law (and seemingly quite fine, maybe even proud of that ignorance) yet maintain unwavering support for it despite stiff opposition to it from some of the smartest people on the planet today.

Again, there is nothing wrong with protecting intellectual property. However, not every single action is justified on that pursuit. If the people pushing SOPA had their way, the internet would be shell of what it is and could be, things like the VCR would of never existed, rights to fair use would be abolished, and they would keep pushing to extend the time line for things to reach the public domain. These are not reasonable measures, and anyone who isn't completely ignorant knows this.

But then again, what can you expect from a dropkick who moved to third world to take advantage of broke women because he couldn't cut it in the real world.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Odin

Dude you take advantage of dirty broke women in third world countries to earn a living. Get off your high horse.

1) What high horse may that be? Again, shame on me for wanting to protect something I create. The shame. It's almost unbearable.

2) I also take advantage of clean broke women in first world countries like the USA and Australia. I don't discriminate.

And if you want to be specific, I've only worked in one "3rd world" country, Cuba. And that is taking into consideration 3rd world in terms of political rights, civil liberties, gross national income, human development, poverty, or freedom of the press. All things that are considered for various 3rd world lists. All things you should know but don't.

It may be to your benefit to get up to speed on the stats of varies countries in the world. That is if you've ever left your own. However, the words I believe you were reaching for are "developing countries." And yes, along side of the first world western nations, I proudly "take advantage" of those in developing countries as well. Labor is cheap.

Speaking of cheap labor, please take a look at your clothes, shoes, hats, computers, and furniture, and tell me where they were made. Then explain to me why it is that it is OK for you to own products made in these developing countries, taking advantage of cheap labor and a lack of labor laws, yet it is not OK for me to do the same, even though I work in the same exact countries. I bet you don't have a logical and educated answer for that, do you? Of course you don't.

3) It is a bit ironic that someone on a porn webmaster message board would condemn anyone for taking advantage of another person, regardless of what country they are in. Pot, meet kettle.

4) Thank you for taking a keen interest in my life and profession. It is appreciated. However, I unfortunately have no idea who you are. Please be kind and introduce yourself.

Originally Posted by Odin

I have noted consistently in your posts that you are completely ignorant of the actual specifics of the law (and seemingly quite fine, maybe even proud of that ignorance) yet maintain unwavering support for it despite stiff opposition to it from some of the smartest people on the planet today.

Because I don't oppose a law that means I am ignorant of it? It seems you my friend would be the ignorant one to suggest such a thing. I suppose in your world you would just force everyone to believe the same thing and support the same things you do, or off to the gas chamber? It is that mentality that is more deadly than any anti-piracy law you're crying about. But please, since you are so intelligent, show me where I'm ignorant of the law.

Originally Posted by Odin

If the people pushing SOPA had their way, the internet would be shell of what it is and could be, things like the VCR would of never existed, rights to fair use would be abolished, and they would keep pushing to extend the time line for things to reach the public domain. These are not reasonable measures, and anyone who isn't completely ignorant knows this.

And that is my problem how? My life was fine before the internet. I don't fear change or this make believe censorship that has your panties in a bunch. If the internet shut down tomorrow, I really wouldn't care. I'd do something else. I'd miss the ease of email, booking plane tickets, and skype, but that's about it.

Why do you live in fear of such things?

Originally Posted by Odin

But then again, what can you expect from a dropkick who moved to third world to take advantage of broke women because he couldn't cut it in the real world.

1) Your lack of education is to blame for not knowing that Thailand is not a 3rd world country, but I won't fault you for that. But I'll give you a little nugget that you can share with your friends so they think you're a little smarter. The term 3rd world ("third world") comes from the Cold War era for countries that did not alight with NATO or capitalism.

You'd also be happy to know that as of 2011, Thailand is a "Newly Industrialized Country." Of course I don't expect you to know what that means, so I'll tell you. It means a country that is more advanced and developed than a "developing country" but not yet a fully developed country.

2) Yes, I left the USA because I couldn't "cut it" there. You got me. Probably has nothing to do with being able to improve the quality of life 10x at a fraction of the cost that it did in the USA. And it probably had nothing to do with being one of a few people on earth who OWN a niche. And it probably had nothing to do with the fact that I can do anything I want here and not have to worry about... anything. And should I have to worry about something, a few bucks will fix it. And last, it probably had nothing to do with being able to being able to get a 90k+ tax break from my government. But someone who is narrow minded, uneducated, or unworldly would not know this, so again, I do not fault you for your ignorance. However, I would like to thank you for playing.