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04-09-2012, 07:32 PM | #101 |
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Best thread of the day for sure and very informative to a virtual newb like me.
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What US law is going to stop www.freeporn.com from doing exactly what it does outside the US? Your little pipe dream just means that same tube traffic will shift elsewhere. Just as water flows to the path of least resistance, porn traffic flows to the better content (i.e. longer, free, better quality etc). It's not going to disappear, its going to go where high quality/long videos are offered.. whether that is in Russia or Czech Republic or The Netherlands or wherever. And you will still be here bitching and at the same time claiming you're getting rich while nothing else changes.
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You can believe what you want. You can think what you want. But the fact is that the US govt. is a fucking nightmare for everyone in the world. And when a decision like that gets made...they will find a way to make it a worldwide thing. You are entitled to your opinion. But none of us can see into the future. I'm only expressing a view that MANY of us have had for 15 years. All of us who had big traffic free sites have always been afraid of the govt. moving in to shut down free porn. And all I'm saying is that when it finally does happen...it will shut down the tube sites. Including mine. |
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The moment a new site that has unique content tries to promote on sites like GFY, the content gets ripped and given away for free to tubes. A few months ago I posted a clip on here of a girl I took to the Gloryhole as a test shoot. It was kind of a funny video because she made really strange faces while showing the cum in her mouth. This was the only place I posted that video and just a few days later it was on a tube. |
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Turn off the access to free porn and someone will start again and become the big traffic gatherer. Traffic isn't king. Because for one reason it's people and you can't control them. You can offer them loads and loads of free porn to come your way, the moment you you stop the supply of free. they run to the next guy giving them free porn. We took the first step many years ago. Tubes are just the latest type of free porn. |
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= submit movies to our tubes so we can take more of your traffic to sell for cents on the dollar.
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1/10th the size it is today. OK the fraction is a guess, it could be 1/5th to 1/20th. It will not be bigger without some major changes to the format of giving away free porn to get surfers.
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I wasn't around when TGP's/MGP's first started. Was it a similar situation just on a smaller scale?
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so where are we (affiliates) headed too? same question, where paysites headed to in a couple of years?
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People were screaming that they were doing fantastically well with 1-100 going to look at their tour. Were actually buying something. Of course those just staying on the TGP site consuming free porn didn't count. The numbers made us blind to the facts. |
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Anyway, there is no more point to participating in this thread now that Paul is dominating it with his always effervescent genius.
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Thanks for the responses so far where people put some thought into it besides merely making ridiculous comments or kissing someone's ass.
I do understand that on some level the exposure can help to get your brand out there where previously it was unknown. Especially if your content is a lot better than anyone in your niche or even better you are the only site in the niche. But I still hold that eventually your full scene content getting out there is going to come back to bite you at some point. Any advantage you have also erodes with time as your competitors join in the game. Soon when 12 of your competitors are releasing full scenes (or have them stolen) it's going to effect you too to some extent because x% of surfers will settle for the free content your competitors have made available on the tube rather than use yours. It doesn't matter how much better your content is because to some extent you are going to lose a certain percentage of sales. As many state you are training the customer to not pay for porn. Don't believe me? Check out this link: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...or+porn%22+lol 1. "lol at people who pay for porn" 2. does anyone actually pay for porn anymore? [Archive] 3. Just pay for porn, already 4. Why pay for Porn when you can get it free? - The Debate Team 5. Pay for porn? lol -- LiveWire Teen Forums See the problem yet? No offense but if you are a pay site owner and you can't see a problem with this then I don't know what more to say. The only thing I can think of is that you don't plan to sell membership based websites in the long term future. But the real issue here isn't the tube model or even user uploads. The real issue is theft. If a paysite owner is stupid enough to upload their member's area to PornHub then they have every right to do that.
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I came to my way of thinking by being a Deadhead and recording and trading Dead tapes and seeing how "free" content helped make them much bigger than the sum of their record sales which were anemic compared to other bands for the most part. If site owners haven't figured out how to protect their sites from full rips then that should be the priority of business.
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It's an important topic but pointless to discuss until the laws change that protect thieves.
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forgot about the dead bootleg culture. thanks for the reminder.
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To answer the threads question: It's the same thing as asking 'why do restaurants and stores go out of business every day yet people still eat every day?'
So there's no point in making up a reason..
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Do adult billing processors accept pre-paid credit cards? I don't see any kind of way on any or our join forms from any of our processors to do that?
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Back to the subject.
If tubes like pornhub are so great for sponsors then why are sites still closing? Tubes like Pornhub are for many the best game in town today. Also sponsors will paid a rosy picture in the hope some affiliates will be fooled into sending them traffic. Try selling these sponsors, who are doing so well, some content and you'll soon see the truth. They will tell you that things aren't so good. The good thing Tubes do is bring millions of people together with free recorded porn and allow them to sell ad space to cam sites, dating and a few paysites. I believe there's a new law on the table that replaces COPA. That tells me one thing. The US Government recognise the problem and are not relying on "parental control" to solve the problem. The notion that a payment will solve the problem of free porn destroying the industry is a far fetched as the one that giving away free porn generated sales. $1 life time membership to Pornhub and it complies with a "payment law" and gets rid of the complete losers without a CC. They might even support such an act. |
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why are some sites closing and why are there plenty of new sites appearing on 6bot.com every day?
there is the real question and i demand a fucking answer. |
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no if everything is dying why are new sites opening every day? answer me now.
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It depends on what you know how to do. There are too many n00bs think they can take a computer class at their community center or read a book and expect to be able to make money online and since they don't make money and porn is faster to access because of faster internet speeds and there is more now than before because of very cheap hosting and freehosts, they think no one is buying anymore..
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All the join forms I've seen require your first and last name, billing address, etc. and it has to match the info on the credit card. Pre-paid cards that a kid could buy at Walmart don't have that information. I was wondering if any ADULT processors allow those? I, for one, don't have any way to accept those that I know of. I also don't accept e-checks anymore (because of chargebacks). And I NEVER allow anybody to snail mail me money for a membership because I figure it would open me up to legal problems if the feds set up a sting and had an underage person mail me money that way and get in the members area. Anyway, does anybody know if adult processors allow pre-paid credit cards? Or is it too high risk? And yeah, I still think that a protected members area that requires a credit card to purchase a membership to is the closest that any of us can come to keeping kids out of a paysite. Of course there will always be exceptions. Just like in the old days of brick and mortar, there was always some kid who would figure out a way to get a subscription to Playboy (or just steal their dad's copy). But asking for ID at the convenience store was still the accepted way to keep kids from viewing it en masse |
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This thread is like a bad acid flashback where you keep hoping it will end and you can just come down and be normal again.
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I'm making no accusations that the content isn't 100% legal as I do not know. Just using Mike's site as an example of 100s if not 1,000s of sites. With little money invested and probably little to run the sites, he's able to make money giving away free porn to sell advertising space. He doesn't give us a clue what the income is or where it comes from. Is he giving away recorded porn to sell advertising space to dating and webcam sites or sell traffic? Looking at his site goldporn-tube.com I see dating, webcams and traffic. With a premium area, which I'm not sure is owned by him or a feed. Does he own all the content, is it all user submitted or given to him by sponsors? How much of the cost of the videos, that people come to his site to view for free, was met by him or his advertisers? Could he even run the site without the contributions of porn producers? So I clicked on a video that costs money to produce. BDSM and good from what I can see. This is the new model of porn. Getting millions of people to look at free porn, selling clicks at a few dollars a 1,000 and losing $billions. It's easy, cheap and makes enough to run a small business for most. Long term it will kill production of new good porn, paysites and reduce the industry to this level. There's no way out, so make money while you can and SAVE SOME. Because it will not last. Of course people still buy porn today, just not as much as they used to in the past and more than they will in the future. It's a model that can't be changed. |
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Put ALL Manwin's tube sites behind a $1 lifetime membership and they will only filter out the complete losers who will never pay or can't pay. Yes it will keep out most kids. This thread is about sites closing while others are saying Tubes are great. |
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pretty sure all his sales are regular porn site memberships.
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paul explain to me why you can go to 6bot.com or signbucksdaily and there are new sites opening up every day. why?
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paul crapping on about everyone else as usual
here take a look at pauls business model in full effect would ya seems mr know-it-all has resorted to having his content distributed any way he can even after no less than 15 trillion characters to the contrary theres much more irony in that the imagevenue link was from pornbb.org a huge pirate forum but i couldnt be bothered going there |
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No, because when I mention anything everyone copies it and I have to do something else..
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because people will rip off your methods? how hard is that to understand?
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I make all of my money by doing nothing but pinging my affiliate links that I get in my emails
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I was in a much better trade, I could write a book on how to do it, tell people what I was doing, where I was doing it, who I was selling to. and they still couldn't compete with me or the 100 others who were doing it. That's the benefit of having a real skill. And please don't come back with a personal jibe because there were a lot of others shooting for $3,000 a set non exclusive and the custom shooters couldn't get into our business. This of course is the downfall for a lot of online people. Few do anything that can't be copied or learned in every short space of time. So you do something so successful, that's easy to copy and so far few have found out about it. That makes a lot of sense. |
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paul absolutely no one gives fuck. you insult mike. he never said anything bad about you.
you are just a bitter lonely old fuck whose whole life work is a bunch of crappy content of bored and scared overlit eastern european teen girls not one wants any more. congrats on your "talent." |
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Mike, PJ, butterfly and a lot more high lite the problem with online porn.
No one knows what they do, who they are or if they make $500 a week or $5,000. Yet someone with content stores and paysites and the financial ability to keep it all running and making money, 4 years after a devastating accident effectively closed the business. Is the butt of their jibs as someone who knows nothing. Yet when they do post something the whole thing has holes in it. Sounds illogical and frankly far fetched. Like when a man sits on a desk, dressed like a tramp and proceeds to tell the audience his firm, that no one knows much about, has just got a 9 figure investment from Wall Street backers. Yet so many here swallowed it as logical. Just no one who has been in a real business for 30 plus years? We ask questions. We know how it really works. And 5 months later, where is all this money? Like Mike, he's nt telling because others might paste and copy his ideas. |