Hitting piracy where it hurts.

[Paul Markham]

Well some piracy sites.

They need revenue to run the file lockers and a few other sites. Many get the revenue by billing for a faster download, that is happily processed by a string of people, Paypal at the top of the list.

Many of these sites are hosting and charging to download, CP, Scat, Bestiality, Rape, Incest and more vile porn. Some of these will make processors like Paypal very squeamish about continuing the business relationship and probably breaks all their rules.

So an organisation is set up to hit the pirates where it hurts, in their pockets.

The organisation sets up to find the links, screengrab the page and send the notices, yes as many as possible, to the processor and their bank. With the warning that if something isn't done with 10 days. The information will go direct to Visa, MC, JCB etc.

Make processors wary of doing business with these people. Keep up the pressure and hit processors with a deluge of information.

Next step is the media. Someone was talking about lobbying. Well the porn industry going on the offensive against illegal porn will be a start. Freedom of Speech isn't a right to break the law.

Some will hate this and use the last little part to side track the argument to that alone. Hoping we ignore the main points.

Someone like www.removeyourcontent.com would be well suited to adding it to their services. It could be a separate part and we would soon see who is in favor of reducing piracy via hitting their hosting of illegal content. Even affiliates could support it.

[papill0n]

[Harmon]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by papill0n

Would you be for or against this?

Seems you're against it and it makes people wonder why.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Many of these sites are hosting and charging to download, CP, Scat, Bestiality, Rape, Incest and more vile porn. Some of these will make processors like Paypal very squeamish about continuing the business relationship and probably breaks all their rules.

There you go again, promoting yourself as the web censorer.

As already explained to you before, scat isn't illegal in mainland Europe and dozens of European payment processors AND Visa AND MasterCard allow scat content, just as long as it's being processor for by a processor authorized for this.

Bestially has been tolerated by Visa and MasterCard for a long time as well but they dropped that when bestiality porn and having sex with animals off-cam became illegal in France, Germany and Holland. None of the payment processors in these countries were allowed to process for bestiality sites by law so Visa and MasterCard prohibited it as well.

If you wish to continue your crusade against scat sites just because you don't like it, then let's also prohibit pissing because there isn't much difference between those two (both are human waste). Then you might as well also prohibit female squirting, because squirting looks like pissing. Then you might also prohibit male ejaculation because you just prohibited female ejaculation. Then you might also want to prohibit gay porn because you're not gay so you don't like it. Where would you stop?

Nobdy ever died of making scat porn. Dozens of actors and actresses died of making boy/girl fuck porn.

Honestly, if you would ask me, I would prohibit porn showing very old men fucking very young girls. I think it's disgusting. But then again I find it easier to let laws prescribe what should be illegal - laws made by governments democratically chosen by you and me.

The laws in all Western countries prohibit copyright violation, CP, bestiality, and violent porn (rape) and incest. Great, let's stick to that to keep things easy, ok?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

There you go again, promoting yourself as the web censorer.

As already explained to you before, scat isn't illegal in mainland Europe and dozens of European payment processors AND Visa AND MasterCard allow scat content, just as long as it's being processor for by a processor authorized for this.

Then you have nothing to worry about if the processor continues to process for it.

Sex with animals again you seem happy with, If Paypal are happy, what's the problem?

[EukerVoorn]

No Paul I'm 1000% pro animal rights and I'm against bestiality because so often it comes down to raping chickens and other small animals not to mention the thin line between bestiality and crushing porn. I thought it was great when Holland finally prohibited it and feel frustrated about filelockers hosted in Holland still distributing it and getting away with it. I also covered that on the site about leaseweb.

My point is, if you want to present this to the public, and you'll need to do that to get this going, you need to concentrate on the illegal aspect of filelockers. As soon as you're going to bring your own morals into it, other people will do that too, and then in the end nothing will happen.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

No Paul I'm 1000% pro animal rights and I'm against bestiality because so often it comes down to raping chickens and other small animals not to mention the thin line between bestiality and crushing porn. I thought it was great when Holland finally prohibited it and feel frustrated about filelockers hosted in Holland still distributing it and getting away with it. I also covered that on the site about leaseweb.

My point is, if you want to present this to the public, and you'll need to do that to get this going, you need to concentrate on the illegal aspect of filelockers. As soon as you're going to bring your own morals into it, other people will do that too, and then in the end nothing will happen.

You have little clue and need to get out into the real world.

If it's made public that Paypal are processing for things that 99.999% of people find disgusting. Paypal will drop it like a stone. Be the subject illegal or legal, a person shitting onto someone else is going to disgust enough people to make Paypal very wary. When CP, bestiality and other things are added, the snowball picks up speed rolling down hill.

Yes it will hurt a few into uploading vile porn to illegal sites. As the legal sites will have their processing already set up and in the clear. We're talking about targeting piracy sites. So why are you concerned?

As I said this would be side tracked by the Freedom of Speech people trying to scupper the plan to reduce piracy.

If your processor is happy with your sites, then you have nothing to be concerned with.

[Paul Markham]

Your post here takes the right stance.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19002090&postcount=141

It's down to what a company decides and not what's legal or or not. Robbie got his knuckles wrapped for something that isn't against the law to act out.

[Barry-xlovecam]

This could backfire badly -- VISA could just decide to forgo the revenue it gets from processing all porn related transactions for reason that some is unlawful content.

The "Final Solution" for both lawful and unlawful Internet porn abatement.

Be careful what you ask for you may just get it.

There are other more specific ways to deal with the problem.

Reporting such matters to payment processors is a good idea as they have acceptable use policies that preserve their relationships with the credit card associations' member banks or their status as member bank sponsored parties.

Dealing directly with the Credit Card Associations could jeopardize lawful porn transactions as well -- not a good idea at all.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes it will hurt a few into uploading vile porn to illegal sites. As the legal sites will have their processing already set up and in the clear. We're talking about targeting piracy sites. So why are you concerned?

Because scat and CP and piracy are three different things. Filelockers are being used for illegal porn like CP and rape and bestiality and PayPal processes for Filelockers and that is bad enough already. If you would bring up scat, PayPal may answer in defense: yes but that's not illegal.

What it all comes down to is that we need a site that will inform the public, media, banks and credit card companies. Call it "awareness". The public now thinks that file sharing is cool and that porn producers make tons of money, they don't know about all the crime and misery behind the file sharing, including the credit card phishing, credit card fraud, facilities provided to exchangers of CP, and the piracy industry. Write a great article about that, then half way start about people shitting on each other, and most will stop reading. It's just not relevant. What's relevant is this one word: ILLEGAL.

And of course I don't want scat porn to be put in a bad spotlight. I want it to be promoted as something really cool so that I get thousands of new members

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This could backfire badly -- VISA could just decide to forgo the revenue it gets from processing all porn related transactions for reason that some is unlawful content.

The "Final Solution" for both lawful and unlawful Internet porn abatement.

Be careful what you ask for you may just get it.

There are other more specific ways to deal with the problem.

Reporting such matters to payment processors is a good idea as they have acceptable use policies that preserve their relationships with the credit card associations' member banks or their status as member bank sponsored parties.

Dealing directly with the Credit Card Associations could jeopardize lawful porn transactions as well -- not a good idea at all.

without the processors knowing it will be taken to the next level, they can do what CCbill are doing. Telling people it's illegal to inform them.

CCbill need to inform people how they would like the information to be delivered to them, by us or the FBI?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Don't fuck with VISA -- you understand that!

They don't really need the headaches of processing porn -- porn represents single digit volume to them.

That is just lynch mob mentality and destructive to people that make money on the internet. How much money will send your check in the mail to PO Box 222 Dept Porn make?

I suppose if you make no money now it wouldn't affect you anyway.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You have little clue and need to get out into the real world.

[alf6300]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Don't fuck with VISA -- you understand that!

They don't really need the headaches of processing porn -- porn represents single digit volume to them.

[raymor]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

This could backfire badly -- VISA could just decide to forgo the revenue it gets from processing all porn related transactions for reason that some is unlawful content.

The "Final Solution" for both lawful and unlawful Internet porn abatement.

Be careful what you ask for you may just get it.

There are other more specific ways to deal with the problem.

Reporting such matters to payment processors is a good idea as they have acceptable use policies that preserve their relationships with the credit card associations' member banks or their status as member bank sponsored parties.

Dealing directly with the Credit Card Associations could jeopardize lawful porn transactions as well -- not a good idea at all.

Yeah report it to the processor FIRST and give them time to check into and act. Do that every time because you need to know when they've decided to straighten up and fly right.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Don't fuck with VISA -- you understand that!

They don't really need the headaches of processing porn -- porn represents single digit volume to them.

That is just lynch mob mentality and destructive to people that make money on the internet. How much money will send your check in the mail to PO Box 222 Dept Porn make?

I suppose if you make no money now it wouldn't affect you anyway.

And the processors and banks know this full well. Hit them over and over again and have the option of moving it up a gear. Only to be used at the last moment, history tells us they do close people processing for things they don't like. Hit the processor, then the bank and let them decide if they want us to take it to the next step.

[CaptainHowdy]

Cheers, Paul!

[Barry-xlovecam]

You'll make history that way ...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You'll make history that way ...

Got a better idea?

Amazing how those with nothing to offer to help offer so much of nothing.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Don't fuck with VISA -- you understand that!

They don't really need the headaches of processing porn -- porn represents single digit volume to them.

That is just lynch mob mentality and destructive to people that make money on the internet. How much money will send your check in the mail to PO Box 222 Dept Porn make?

I suppose if you make no money now it wouldn't affect you anyway.

I don't agree at all, especially not with the "don't fuck with VISA bit". I'm sure Visa needs the porn biz as much as we need them. I know that because I remember how enthusiastic they were with getting online porn business on board when the internet started to boom, around 96. The representative of Visa visiting my office in Amsterdam almost sucked my cock after she had watched one of my videos.
Do you have any idea how big online porn is and how much money Visa and MC are making from it?
Also, cleaning up this industry (getting rid of the CP and piracy) is in the interest of producers and Visa/MC. They're relatively making much less profit on piracy transactions than on legit transactions because pirated material is being sold at much lower prices.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I don't agree at all, especially not with the "don't fuck with VISA bit". I'm sure Visa needs the porn biz as much as we need them. I know that because I remember how enthusiastic they were with getting online porn business on board when the internet started to boom, around 96. The representative of Visa visiting my office in Amsterdam almost sucked my cock after she had watched one of my videos.
Do you have any idea how big online porn is and how much money Visa and MC are making from it?
Also, cleaning up this industry (getting rid of the CP and piracy) is in the interest of producers and Visa/MC. They're relatively making much less profit on piracy transactions than on legit transactions because pirated material is being sold at much lower prices.

The only people who should be scared are the processors that might lose their accounts and the pirates or those profiting from piracy.

Without the ultimate deterrent of taking it to the TOP, the processors will just white wash the whole thing. Why should they do anything else? To them it's business.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Got a better idea?

Fear is a bad advisor.

You may want to read this btw, this prick is a lying bastard: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1070798
He's on permanent ignore now. Hope to never read a single word from this can of shit again.

[michael.kickass]

Paul Markham again

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

You may want to read this btw

Nah, he is pretending to have me on ignore.

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

, this prick is a lying bastard: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1070798

You are posting links to piracy sites and trying to justify why you stole content.

Clearly I struck a nerve seeing as you are swearing again, and now posting links to your piracy advocation thread here.

You're a funny little chap.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The only people who should be scared are the processors that might lose their accounts and the pirates or those profiting from piracy.

Without the ultimate deterrent of taking it to the TOP, the processors will just white wash the whole thing. Why should they do anything else? To them it's business.

Also, if they would stop processing for the whole porn industry, someone will soon come with an alternative payment method. And if not; I rather get out of biz and start doing something else then having to accept the current situation. To me it's not about loss of income, to me it's about the simple fact that I don't want anybody getting away with stealing from me. If I get burglars on my property at night I get my fleshlight and an iron bar and go after them. I just fucking hates thieves and parasites.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I don't want anybody getting away with stealing from me.

Maybe you should stop stealing from other people as a first step, otherwise you just look like a MASSIVE hypocrite...

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

If I get burglars on my property at night I get my fleshlight and go after them.

So you wank them off with a rubber vagina? Odd punishment. But if you get off on that, cool.

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I just fucking hates thieves and parasites.

Stop posting links to stolen content then man.

[Barry-xlovecam]

VISA processed $4.8 Trillion in payments (page 51 of their 2011 Annual Report VISA, Inc. (world-wide)) they would miss porn a whole lot ...

Kick the wasps nest -- that's real bright.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

VISA processed $4.8 Trillion in payments (page 51 of their 2011 Annual Report VISA, Inc. (world-wide)) they would miss porn a whole lot ...

Kick the wasps nest -- that's real bright.

You're doing live cams, right? If yes, you're not finding your content back on thousands of sites that aren't yours. It's always the same story in here - those who aren't hurt by piracy are the biggest supporters of keeping things quiet.

Let's keep this a discussion between content producers to keep things simple?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Also, if they would stop processing for the whole porn industry, someone will soon come with an alternative payment method. And if not; I rather get out of biz and start doing something else then having to accept the current situation. To me it's not about loss of income, to me it's about the simple fact that I don't want anybody getting away with stealing from me. If I get burglars on my property at night I get my fleshlight and an iron bar and go after them. I just fucking hates thieves and parasites.

There's this massive fear if we couldn't process via CCs online porn would die. Can't for the life of me work out why. IMO it would be the biggest boost to the porn industry ever.

All those now addicted to getting their porn online, will simply go buy it in shops. Like they had done for decades. People like You and I would be fine. We produced porn, so we produce porn for offline sales and porn gets a huge boost.

Affiliates can push something else, dating goes non porn and live webcam, well they are fucked. But should we producers care about them?

About as much as they care about us getting traffic off the piracy sites. Or as much as they care about producers facing a hard time while they don't. Yes Barry, when piracy digs into the income of Webcams, come and tell me about it. Until then piracy isn't your problem so.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

There you go again, promoting yourself as the web censorer.

As already explained to you before, scat isn't illegal in mainland Europe and dozens of European payment processors AND Visa AND MasterCard allow scat content, just as long as it's being processor for by a processor authorized for this.

Bestially has been tolerated by Visa and MasterCard for a long time as well but they dropped that when bestiality porn and having sex with animals off-cam became illegal in France, Germany and Holland. None of the payment processors in these countries were allowed to process for bestiality sites by law so Visa and MasterCard prohibited it as well.

If you wish to continue your crusade against scat sites just because you don't like it, then let's also prohibit pissing because there isn't much difference between those two (both are human waste). Then you might as well also prohibit female squirting, because squirting looks like pissing. Then you might also prohibit male ejaculation because you just prohibited female ejaculation. Then you might also want to prohibit gay porn because you're not gay so you don't like it. Where would you stop?

Nobdy ever died of making scat porn. Dozens of actors and actresses died of making boy/girl fuck porn.

Honestly, if you would ask me, I would prohibit porn showing very old men fucking very young girls. I think it's disgusting. But then again I find it easier to let laws prescribe what should be illegal - laws made by governments democratically chosen by you and me.

The laws in all Western countries prohibit copyright violation, CP, bestiality, and violent porn (rape) and incest. Great, let's stick to that to keep things easy, ok?

He gotcha there Paul.... I respect you both so no dog in the fight...at the end of the day consenting adults are free to engage in any disgusting behavior they see fit...and sell it even

I would wager handsomely that my niche is perceived to be more disgusting and more filthy than pissing or scat.....by very many

the problem is its 100% consensual adults and 90% of the population does not enjoy watching racy interracial sex......it's only the 10% that tell the truth about how much they enjoy it.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There's this massive fear if we couldn't process via CCs online porn would die. Can't for the life of me work out why. IMO it would be the biggest boost to the porn industry ever.

All those now addicted to getting their porn online, will simply go buy it in shops. Like they had done for decades. People like You and I would be fine. We produced porn, so we produce porn for offline sales and porn gets a huge boost.

Affiliates can push something else, dating goes non porn and live webcam, well they are fucked. But should we producers care about them?

About as much as they care about us getting traffic off the piracy sites. Or as much as they care about producers facing a hard time while they don't. Yes Barry, when piracy digs into the income of Webcams, come and tell me about it. Until then piracy isn't your problem so.

My fellow producers confirm that DVD sales from online stores and shops) are doing better than ever. I'll pick up the DVD thing again soon.

At the moment about 10% of payments for my member sections are by direct debit, SOFORT and phone pin. I'm already considering offering direct debit as the only payment option for Europeans, and not offer credit card payment for them. Also I'm working on new member sections with new exclusive full HD content, live shows and live 1-1 cam, with payment accepted by a bank transfer only. The customer has to pay for one year access in advance by nothing but a bank wire. With the bank wire his name and address are reveiled, and all downloaded content will have the member ip watermark inside it. Then if they ever upload it to another site, I'll take legal action against them. They'll get warned for this every time they enter the member section and I'm totally sure none will have the courage to upload any of my content to other sites.

By then I can worry less about what they do with my HD content in my current member sections. If they upload to other sites, that's fucked, but at the same time it will be free advertising for my full HD sites.

My content is very popular within its own niches and I'm talking to a bunch of gorgeous new models (UK, USA, eastern-Europe, France, Holland) willing to go all the way for decent payment, and I'm totally sure that die hard fans are willing to do the upfront bank transfer. If they aren't, there won't be any way for them to see it.

So to cut a long story short; no I don't need MC and Visa and I won't crawl through shit for them.

But what do you and I know Paul? You and I are old porn producers who were already doing it before the internet existed. Remember how you always had to take the highway if you wanted to sell something even though the shop was just around the corner? After all, we just needed the fucking traffic didn't we? One day without traffic, one day not spending hours on the highway, and you were out of business!

It's all about the content, everything else is just side crap.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

I would wager handsomely that my niche is perceived to be more disgusting and more filthy than pissing or scat.....by very many

the problem is its 100% consensual adults and 90% of the population does not enjoy watching racy interracial sex......it's only the 10% that tell the truth about how much they enjoy it.

Yup it's all about consent.

[gabe100]

scat guy talking about cleaning up the industry. Lovely.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

He gotcha there Paul.... I respect you both so no dog in the fight...at the end of the day consenting adults are free to engage in any disgusting behavior they see fit...and sell it even

I would wager handsomely that my niche is perceived to be more disgusting and more filthy than pissing or scat.....by very many

the problem is its 100% consensual adults and 90% of the population does not enjoy watching racy interracial sex......it's only the 10% that tell the truth about how much they enjoy it.

Well as soon as the law is changed, we can change. Until then the law rules. And above that the TOS of companies concerned rule.

[SwirlsGirl]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

Also, if they would stop processing for the whole porn industry, someone will soon come with an alternative payment method. And if not; I rather get out of biz and start doing something else then having to accept the current situation. To me it's not about loss of income, to me it's about the simple fact that I don't want anybody getting away with stealing from me. If I get burglars on my property at night I get my fleshlight and an iron bar and go after them. I just fucking hates thieves and parasites.

I could not agree more in my book nothing worse than a thief or a parasite...

Hell if you can watch fucking FEAR FACTOR on National television

and watch mother fuckers eating bull penis, monkey brains, drinking hippo semen,etc...

Than it is quite clear that what people choose to put in their mouth is their choice so long as they consent to it, and they don't hurt anyone in the process.

Let's not be hypocrites in the adult industry, if you want to clean it up...it starts with the thieves and parasites first....

For they are our common enemy and they spare us no misery.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by gabe100

scat guy talking about cleaning up the industry. Lovely.

Yup I'm a scat guy and that makes me someone running a legal and honest business. And you're just another coward cunt, welcome to my ignore list.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

I could not agree more in my book nothing worse than a thief or a parasite...

Hell if you can watch fucking FEAR FACTOR on National television

The fear factor that some are illustrating id the fear to their business. Many in online porn profit from piracy. Those buying selling traffic, Webcams, Dating, Pills, Tubes site owners, etc. Barry with his "Be careful what you ask for you may just get it." is all about his fear. Nothing to do with mine. The porn industry would flourish if CC companies dropped it online. What scares many is losing a source of income from a source that for many represents a loss of income. They're asking others to care while showing little care themselves.

Than it is quite clear that what people choose to put in their mouth is their choice so long as they consent to it, and they don't hurt anyone in the process.

Sadly not the way the laws are written. However with EV's porn, it's not only about what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. It's about his ability to sell it outside his home and that is legislated against.

Let's not be hypocrites in the adult industry, if you want to clean it up...it starts with the thieves and parasites first....

For they are our common enemy and they spare us no misery.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

All those now addicted to getting their porn online, will simply go buy it in shops. Like they had done for decades.

Let's get rid of cars so fat people will start jogging to McDonalds... or maybe they will just take the bus?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jakez

Let's get rid of cars so fat people will start jogging to McDonalds... or maybe they will just take the bus?

Then they can see you working.

Bus driver or burger flipper, take your pick.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sadly not the way the laws are written. However with EV's porn, it's not only about what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. It's about his ability to sell it outside his home and that is legislated against.

I don't even know what you mean by "legislated against" and honestly I don't want to know, I'm getting tired of this. Also there is no such thing as "EV porn", I shoot in various niches for more than 80 different sites, for DVD distributors, I do things together with other French producers. I'm shooting a lot of very mild fetish content (not even nude!) for some new sites which will launch this summer.

Now if some nun would come posting in here to express her concerns with extreme porn I could understand it but this coming from another pornographer I don't understand. I work with MUAs, photographers, video editors, shoot assistants, they all know what I do and they say it's just work but you as a pornographer continue to whine about it? If you want to promote your ideas for cleaning up the web, start with the biggest problems first: CP and piracy. When that's all taken care of and you can convince me that terminating scat porn would add to a better society I will take my scat sites offline, ok? Again: scat and CP and content theft are 3 different things.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then they can see you working.

Bus driver or burger flipper, take your pick.

Never really worked a regular job before but I have a certain level of respect for people working fast food. All that work and dealing with a douchebag boss for such little pay.. it's a shame they don't work with their head instead of their hands.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Would you be for or against this?

Seems you're against it and it makes people wonder why.

nobody is wondering anything about what i posted except you donkey. you cant read my fucking mind nor can you reach any conclusions based on a gif of batman

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

I don't even know what you mean by "legislated against" and honestly I don't want to know, I'm getting tired of this. Also there is no such thing as "EV porn", I shoot in various niches for more than 80 different sites, for DVD distributors, I do things together with other French producers. I'm shooting a lot of very mild fetish content (not even nude!) for some new sites which will launch this summer.

Now if some nun would come posting in here to express her concerns with extreme porn I could understand it but this coming from another pornographer I don't understand. I work with MUAs, photographers, video editors, shoot assistants, they all know what I do and they say it's just work but you as a pornographer continue to whine about it? If you want to promote your ideas for cleaning up the web, start with the biggest problems first: CP and piracy. When that's all taken care of and you can convince me that terminating scat porn would add to a better society I will take my scat sites offline, ok? Again: scat and CP and content theft are 3 different things.

OK let me be more clear. If a couple decide to shit on each other in the privacy of their own how they break no laws that I'm aware of. If they try to publish this material they do face laws in certain countries. So all this "In the privacy of a home" is crap. It's not about that, it's about your rights to publish it.

If you don't exclude countries where the publication of Scat material is illegal, you like us break the law of that country. So no "In the privacy of my own home." crap please. Because its a red herring.

[Paul Markham]

This thread is about hitting piracy sites where it hurts, in their pockets. The best and easiest way to do this today is to target their income stream via credit card processors when they break the rules laid down by Visa.

So if a piracy site is distributing content that either of Visa, MC, JCB do not approve of. We send the processor proof of the link in the way of a screen grab. If this includes Under 18s, Scat, BDSM, etc. Then fine. It's not about the law, censorship or any other point some want to side track it with. It's about companies remain within the terms of the companies they need to do business with.

The credit card companies have rules they pass to the banks, the banks have rules they pass to the processors, the processors have rules they pass to the merchants. If those merchants are pirates and clearly ignoring those rules. We can target them with a deluge of notifications to their processor.

Rules are what you expect members to apply to, so can't be ignored when it comes to not suiting your situation.

As for following rules, this industry is piss poor at it.

[Socks]

The title of this thread brought me in.

Then I saw it was a Paul Markham thread.

All I could think about was...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Socks

The title of this thread brought me in.

Then I saw it was a Paul Markham thread.

All I could think about was...

Thank you for adding this to a serious business thread. It helps us identify your ideas clearly.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Thank you for adding this to a serious business thread. It helps us identify your ideas clearly.

Do you understand why none of your threads will ever be considered a serious business thread?

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

OK let me be more clear. If a couple decide to shit on each other in the privacy of their own how they break no laws that I'm aware of. If they try to publish this material they do face laws in certain countries. So all this "In the privacy of a home" is crap. It's not about that, it's about your rights to publish it.

If you don't exclude countries where the publication of Scat material is illegal, you like us break the law of that country. So no "In the privacy of my own home." crap please. Because its a red herring.

So where is scat porn illegal? Tell me.

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by Socks

The title of this thread brought me in.

Then I saw it was a Paul Markham thread.

All I could think about was...

Hahahahahahaha

When I started posting here many warned me about Paul, still I gave him the benefit of the doubt. You flushed that benefit of the doubt through the toilet Paul, you really are a waste of time and energy. As for your thread; stop talking, do something against piracy like I did. Or do something about scat porn. Just do something. Stop talking.