My Cam Sales Today

[Fat Panda]

My cam sales today... Aug 1, 2012

[jigg]

someone had buyer's remorse

[fris]

traffic source?

[Fat Panda]

85% SE's

[spunky99]

ouch, that sucks

[epitome]

VenusBlogger will tell you its impossible to make that many sales in the first place.

PIRIOD

[ShoeBox]

sucks for you i'm on the +5

[AllAboutCams]

shit that sucks what program is it

[keysync]

Shit who's cheerios did you shit in this morning?

[thegreatestporn]

What program was this?

[TheSquealer]

Doesn't matter what program. It happens to everyone. People have 6+ months to charge back and sometimes they do it all at once, particularly when they've spent 1000's of dollars they realized they can reclaim with a simple phone call to the bank.

[mamaliga]

looks like webcams.com

[Chosen]

It sucks...

[GAMEFINEST]

refunds balling hard.

[xXXtesy10]

Hilarious. Is this MR site?

[BIGTYMER]

Ouch.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by SAC

My cam sales today... Aug 1, 2012

You are missing alot of important data from this report but if that is all there is, the problem is very clear. You don't have enough data on your customers. If you knew more about the 3rd purchase for example you would have been able to prevent that chargeback and the rest from occurring.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by **********

You are missing alot of important data from this report but if that is all there is, the problem is very clear. You don't have enough data on your customers. If you knew more about the 3rd purchase for example you would have been able to prevent that chargeback and the rest from occurring.

?? he is an affiliate with no intention of being a program owner at this very second i'm sure

[Gozarian]

The chargeback laws suck but with all the shit xsales and card banging by some of the whores in this zoo maybe it is customer revenge )

[adultchatpay]

Looks like someone is using stolen credit cards and signed up to your site. Just my guess.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Doesn't matter what program. It happens to everyone. People have 6+ months to charge back and sometimes they do it all at once, particularly when they've spent 1000's of dollars they realized they can reclaim with a simple phone call to the bank.

Correct, we had a $2600 CB like 2 years ago or so. Good stuff but it happens and is all part of the game

[DamageX]

Calling Shemp...

[Nasty]

Ouch, that sucks, might have you beat tho, I received a 208.00 chargeback today on a program that according to their stats, I have only had a single 14.00 sale. So apparently I need to send them a check?

[kazymjir]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Doesn't matter what program. It happens to everyone. People have 6+ months to charge back and sometimes they do it all at once, particularly when they've spent 1000's of dollars they realized they can reclaim with a simple phone call to the bank.

Yeah. Paid, fapped, refunded.

[seeandsee]

crazy, they can chargeback like it was all free

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by DamageX

Calling Shemp...

more shattered dreams...

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

more shattered dreams...

Shemp never disappoints!

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by SAC

My cam sales today... Aug 1, 2012

I notice all refunds are done at the same time, thus i presume these are done manually.

i am guessing that they are done every few days, mabe once a week or even a month rather than each day, so your just seeing the results from the day the refunds are done.

[DVTimes]

What do they do for the web cam girls?

I presume they take back there pay, by presumably taking the money off the next payment.

While this may be anoying for affiliates i would think it far worse for the webcam girls who maqy have spent hours working for this cash. if this is the case i could see many just packing it in.

[travs]

program sucks

[2intense]

Originally Posted by epitome

VenusBlogger will tell you its impossible to make that many sales in the first place.

PIRIOD

he is just a big broke loser

PIRIOD

[x-rate]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

What do they do for the web cam girls?

I presume they take back there pay, by presumably taking the money off the next payment.

While this may be anoying for affiliates i would think it far worse for the webcam girls who maqy have spent hours working for this cash. if this is the case i could see many just packing it in.

I only deal with program that don't take money back from cam girls otherwise it's pain in the ass to announce such things to the girls lol: 'Ok last week you made 1.2K but this week you start at -0.2k because jimmy349329 charged back'. My studio delivered the product (the show) the client is the website client not our so we are a 3rd party supplier it's not our problem.

Let say you are a home contractor you wont pay your sub-contractors because your client is not paying???? 'Sorry I can't pay you for plumbing job you did at 12 principal street the client didn't pay so I think you should also deduct hours to your employee!'

What you guys think of it? :P

[Bat_Man]

Good one...contacting you soon.....

[MediumPimpin]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

I notice all refunds are done at the same time, thus i presume these are done manually.

i am guessing that they are done every few days, mabe once a week or even a month rather than each day, so your just seeing the results from the day the refunds are done.

We have our own merchant account and we get the "charge backs" by mail, they are all done by hand at that time.

I think for most programs you will see CB run in batches for that reason.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

What do they do for the web cam girls?

I presume they take back there pay, by presumably taking the money off the next payment.

While this may be anoying for affiliates i would think it far worse for the webcam girls who maqy have spent hours working for this cash. if this is the case i could see many just packing it in.

Yeah cause us webmasters dont work for it *rolleyes*

[rabbit]

our chargebacks with streamate never went above 2-3% in a given month, while with other programs it sometimes reached 20%!!!
i dont believe that other big players have such a shitty fraud prevention that they would allow this. they would lose their processing. i think this is the new type of shaving

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by rabbit

our chargebacks with streamate never went above 2-3% in a given month, while with other programs it sometimes reached 20%!!!
i dont believe that other big players have such a shitty fraud prevention that they would allow this. they would lose their processing. i think this is the new type of shaving

Streamate gets the same chargebacks ratio of the others but probably does not show and pass all them on models and affiliates. A cam program can decide to account some loss to keep happy best models and affiliates. About fake chargebacks from some programs this can not be verified.. well some cam girls told me they was in touch with some their customers who said they not made chargeback while the model got chargeback from a site, I will not tell what a site as this is not nice. Also the customer may be a liar too.

Originally Posted by x-rate

I only deal with program that don't take money back from cam girls otherwise it's pain in the ass to announce such things to the girls lol: 'Ok last week you made 1.2K but this week you start at -0.2k because jimmy349329 charged back'. My studio delivered the product (the show) the client is the website client not our so we are a 3rd party supplier it's not our problem.

Yes most girls and studios definitely stop to work on a cam site at the first big chargeback they get. Some cam sites are known for many chargebacks got and others for fewer chargebacks, and others even warranty no chargebacks at all (there are some myths about this). I heard from a model that livejasmin recently got the policy that no chargebacks to girls who "breach no rules", so if she is good they cover her, if she got fines she is not protected from chargebacks.
The policy for our cam site, for models, it is an insurance like this: we cover chargeback up to $250 per model per pay period (15 days), whatever exceeds 250 we take from the model. We get some chargebacks quite bigger but they spend on multiple girls, so basically we never pass chargebacks on models as the $250 is not exceeded.
About the affiliates... honestly we are not as nice as with the models, we delete the chargebacked revenues, but we are not revshare, is a pps, so never a chargeback can exceed the pps amount, it is not that bad. Also most of chargebacks from affiliate account it is rogue affiliates submitting stolen cards themselves, really

[rabbit]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

Streamate gets the same chargebacks ratio of the others but probably does not show and pass all them on models and affiliates. A cam program can decide to account some loss to keep happy best models and affiliates. About fake chargebacks from some programs this can not be verified.. well some cam girls told me they was in touch with some their customers who said they not made chargeback while the model got chargeback from a site, I will not tell what a site as this is not nice. Also the customer may be a liar too.

i got a question re: your program. how can i reach you?

[CourtneyR]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

What do they do for the web cam girls?

I presume they take back there pay, by presumably taking the money off the next payment.

While this may be anoying for affiliates i would think it far worse for the webcam girls who maqy have spent hours working for this cash. if this is the case i could see many just packing it in.

i remember a few sites requiring girls to keep up to 200 in their account in case of something like this happening. not sure if many do now.

[nikki99]

looks like my day 31st on imlive as a perfomer

[yuu.design]

damn, bad day

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by **********

You are missing alot of important data from this report but if that is all there is, the problem is very clear. You don't have enough data on your customers. If you knew more about the 3rd purchase for example you would have been able to prevent that chargeback and the rest from occurring.

Lol, so if he knew that it was a sale from a Filipino carder defrauding the system, he could have convinced him to pull out his legit cc and not chargeback?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Roald

Correct, we had a $2600 CB like 2 years ago or so. Good stuff but it happens and is all part of the game

Can't win if you don't play. Every now and then you will lose.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by beaner

?? he is an affiliate with no intention of being a program owner at this very second i'm sure

What are you talking about?

I said that there is not nearly enough information on this report to prevent the chargeback. If he had more info he could have helped himself and whoever owns the program at the same time.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by x-rate

I only deal with program that don't take money back from cam girls otherwise it's pain in the ass to announce such things to the girls lol: 'Ok last week you made 1.2K but this week you start at -0.2k because jimmy349329 charged back'. My studio delivered the product (the show) the client is the website client not our so we are a 3rd party supplier it's not our problem.

Let say you are a home contractor you wont pay your sub-contractors because your client is not paying???? 'Sorry I can't pay you for plumbing job you did at 12 principal street the client didn't pay so I think you should also deduct hours to your employee!'

What you guys think of it? :P

I was a Licensed Residential Builder for 13 years, it don't work that way at all ; If the customer doesn't pay or their funds are bad -- we all (the contractors and subs) go to the courthouse together and place our mechanics liens against the title to the property. Then we have a year to file a suit in the Circuit Court for a foreclosure to satisfy all construction liens (the money owed for the work). Usually they pay off under threat of foreclosure.

I was once owed for a completed stone entryway for a new subdivision. Since the improvement was to the subdivision in common I liened $3.5 million of the unsold lots -- the developer could not sell any of his lots as the bank would not release his 'take-outs' of the blanket mortgages of $millions until I was paid and discharged my lein -- they paid me off in a week 'the shit hit the fans '.

The construction business is unique as the improvements are 'fixed and a part of real property'. Commercial payments such as on affiliate contracts are 'personal property assets' usually without any collateral security.

[scuba steve]

Originally Posted by Sly

Can't win if you don't play. Every now and then you will lose.

house always wins

[Sly]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

house always wins

Own the house. :-)

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by rabbit

i got a question re: your program. how can i reach you?

Contact page of tubecamgirl or info @ same domain name or ICQ 279 222 threee nine-one .

[x-rate]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I was a Licensed Residential Builder for 13 years, it don't work that way at all ; If the customer doesn't pay or their funds are bad -- we all (the contractors and subs) go to the courthouse together and place our mechanics liens against the title to the property. Then we have a year to file a suit in the Circuit Court for a foreclosure to satisfy all construction liens (the money owed for the work). Usually they pay off under threat of foreclosure.

....

You are right but I'm pretty sure you understood the whole point of my post! You can apply my example to a trucking company using sub contractor etc...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by x-rate

You are right but I'm pretty sure you understood the whole point of my post! You can apply my example to a trucking company using sub contractor etc...

I paid all my hourly employees even when I was not paid but some subcontractors had to sweat it out with me -- that is the risk of doing business.

More specifically with regard to chargebacks in our current endeavours ( webcam broadcasts); When there is a chargeback everyone eats their share -- we all lost money together. Chargebacks are a part of contracting. Independent Contractors are what Affiliates, Models and Studios are. None are paid hourly as an employee and all assume business risk. Rev share means revenue sharing -- losses should be shared when they are a direct result to ones revenue. No one likes losing money that is understandable.


A subcontracted truck is subject to different rules; it is paid by the tariff rate, agreed price per mile, or haul -- completion of delivery is the only prerequisite to payment. The truck owner operator does not agree to a certain portion of the revenue.

Bottom line; When a customer refuses to pay for services rendered -- you're fucked -- you cannot repossess the services. A sale is not complete until it is paid for -- always. Sometimes, you can sue to recover the loss but most of the time it is a write off and you just move on and learn from it.