Dear Paul, we are only getting 1:62 with one of our paysites. Can you help improve? - GoFuckYourself.com

epitome · 10-03-2012, 01:31 PM

Hi Paul,

We are distraught that we can only get 1:62 when you've said that anything worse than 1:1 is no good.

Your valuable insight is desperately needed.

This was taken right from the NATS admin that shows an overview when you login. It reflects all traffic, both good and bad, both in-house and affiliate.

I hope you're not sleeping right now because we really need your advice!

pornmasta · 10-03-2012, 01:33 PM

That's gay

epitome · 10-03-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

That's gay

It is. It's VERY gay.

Rochard · 10-03-2012, 01:35 PM

Well clearly if there was some magic join pages involved you would have much better ratios!

Emil · 10-03-2012, 01:37 PM

If anyone can help you it's Paul.

epitome · 10-03-2012, 01:42 PM

Thanks everyone. I'm fraught with anxiety.

I'm sure PaulMarkhamTeens.com is pulling 1:1 and I want to know his secret!

Penny24Seven · 10-03-2012, 02:04 PM

his ratio was better then 1:1 because he was getting joins and you could not even get to the sign up page so zero clicks and 30 joins 0:30 beat that

epitome · 10-03-2012, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian837

his ratio was better then 1:1 because he was getting joins and you could not even get to the sign up page so zero clicks and 30 joins 0:30 beat that

I read it wrong at first and was like wtf our join page is down? I frantically typed in the url to check. Thank God I just read it wrong. I should probably read slower.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2012, 02:15 PM

The only way I can help is with a login. Need also to know where the traffic is coming from as well.

BareBacked · 10-03-2012, 02:36 PM

Nice numbers . We should trade some sales?

flashfire · 10-03-2012, 02:41 PM

very nice numbers

TheSquealer · 10-03-2012, 02:47 PM

He needs an username and password to understand how to make the tour convert better and thats "the only way" he can help?

I'm no expert, but it looks like someone just wants some gay porn.

epitome · 10-03-2012, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The only way I can help is with a login. Need also to know where the traffic is coming from as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

He needs an username and password to understand how to make the tour convert better and thats "the only way" he can help?

I'm no expert, but it looks like someone just wants some gay porn.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2012, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

He needs an username and password to understand how to make the tour convert better and thats "the only way" he can help?

I'm no expert, but it looks like someone just wants some gay porn.

No, my expertise is in content production. I might be able to give some advice on the shooting, maybe some advice on shooting samples to lure surfers to the site?

TheSquealer · 10-03-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No, my expertise is in content production. I might be able to give some advice on the shooting, maybe some advice on shooting samples to lure surfers to the site?

What is inside the members area has zero to do with conversions.

Since the thread is about conversions and improving conversions, you have no real need to be watching guys suck each other off in the members area unless that's just your thing.

There's no shame in it.

I'm not judging.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2012, 03:11 PM

Looking at this site, http://tour.baretwinks.com/baretwink...LjA#baretwinks

Obviously nice twinks, I think.

Lots of content.

Can't see a sample, why not show just 1 or 2?

Looks a bit like shot in a studio, needs more clutter.

What I don't see is anything telling me how many many scenes or the total amount of content.

Same here. http://www.globeboys.com/tour1/tour2.php? but the boys look so young I guess the guys who want that will buy whatever promised.

Is this legal http://www.britishbucks.com/site2257.html http://www.globeboys.com/tour1/2257.php

Paul Markham · 10-03-2012, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

What is inside the members area has zero to do with conversions.

Since the thread is about conversions and improving conversions, you have no real need to be watching guys suck each other off in the members area unless that's just your thing.

There's no shame in it.

I'm not judging.

Stick to what ever you do, because this isn't it.

Conversions can rely very heavily on samples these days. If the content isn't great, not good. Yet it looks like his stuff is good in terms of pictures, videos we don't know. Also a lot of satisfied customers will return, via links out there or bookmarks. Then there are people talking about his content on forums or to other gay friends. Isn't word of mouth working now?

He asked me and I'm telling him I can only comment on his content. I've looked at the tours and made comments.

epitome · 10-03-2012, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Looking at this site, http://tour.baretwinks.com/baretwink...LjA#baretwinks

Obviously nice twinks, I think.

Lots of content.

Can't see a sample, why not show just 1 or 2?

Looks a bit like shot in a studio, needs more clutter.

What I don't see is anything telling me how many many scenes or the total amount of content.

Same here. http://www.globeboys.com/tour1/tour2.php? but the boys look so young I guess the guys who want that will buy whatever promised.

Is this legal http://www.britishbucks.com/site2257.html http://www.globeboys.com/tour1/2257.php

Yes, Paul it is. If you'll note, the first custodian of records listed is us. We have all docs, as well as the actual content producers, which are also listed as well.

GetSCORECash · 10-03-2012, 03:20 PM

Isn't this in the wrong forum? It should be moved to "The Paul Markham Know-How Forum"

Robbie · 10-03-2012, 03:22 PM

epitome...please have this thread moved to the Paul Markham section.

We don't want anyone to miss the valuable marketing info that is being unleashed by Paul.

epitome · 10-03-2012, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Looking at this site, http://tour.baretwinks.com/baretwink...LjA#baretwinks

Obviously nice twinks, I think.

Lots of content.

Can't see a sample, why not show just 1 or 2?

Looks a bit like shot in a studio, needs more clutter.

We do not shoot that, that is shot by the owners of the site. Our programs are a mix of owned by us (e.g., GayLifeNetwork.com), owned with others and fully managed for others so they can focus on what they do best, shooting their content.

As for whether to include previews or not, some sites have them, some sites don't. It's all about testing various tours to see what works best with that individual site. Some convert better with previews so they have them. Some convert better without previews so they don't have them. It's all about the analytics.

We are in the middle of updating a lot of tours though. We've perfected one that seems to be magical and are going to further test that theory.

epitome · 10-03-2012, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

Isn't this in the wrong forum? It should be moved to "The Paul Markham Know-How Forum"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

epitome...please have this thread moved to the Paul Markham section.

We don't want anyone to miss the valuable marketing info that is being unleashed by Paul.

But I need eyeballs on this pressing matter!

RyuLion · 10-03-2012, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta

That's gay

Those are good ratios!

Robbie · 10-03-2012, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome

But I need eyeballs on this pressing matter!

Exactly! That's why it needs to be in Paul's forum.

I believe Theo is getting ready to make Paul's section the default log in splash page for all of GFY.

TheSquealer · 10-03-2012, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Stick to what ever you do, because this isn't it.

Conversions can rely very heavily on samples these days. If the content isn't great, not good. Yet it looks like his stuff is good in terms of pictures, videos we don't know. Also a lot of satisfied customers will return, via links out there or bookmarks. Then there are people talking about his content on forums or to other gay friends. Isn't word of mouth working now?

He asked me and I'm telling him I can only comment on his content. I've looked at the tours and made comments.

This isn't it? Paul, you know nothing about paysites, traffic and conversions. Zero. Your sites look like ass and this thread is to make fun of you and the fact that you know nothing about paysites, traffic and conversions. You are so desperate for attention and to pat yourself on the back after flunking out of adult, that you don't even know when you're being made fun of.

epitome · 10-03-2012, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete

Oh please give him a login so he can tell us his opinion! please please please!

No way Jose free porn is why 1:62 is so horrible!

The most I can give him is a discount link.

How can we survive if I give a login to a surfer like Paul if we are at 1:62?

1:62 includes tube traffic. May be where we went wrong? Thoughts?

epitome · 10-03-2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This isn't it? Paul, you know nothing about paysites, traffic and conversions. Zero. Your sites look like ass and this thread is to make fun of you and the fact that you know nothing about paysites, traffic and conversions. You are so desperate for attention and to pat yourself on the back after flunking out of adult, that you don't even know when you're being made fun of.

He has to be in on the joke. If he isn't then I have to doubt his ability to wipe his own ass.

TheSquealer · 10-03-2012, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome

He has to be in on the joke. If he isn't then I have to doubt his ability to wipe his own ass.

He's too insecure and still feels he has too much to prove. I'm sure he knows he's being made fun of but his insecurity and desperate need for attention and some sort of validation overrides the fact that he's being made fun of.

If he can produce mediocre filler content for TGPs, he can wipe his own ass.

epitome · 10-03-2012, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

He's too insecure and still feels he has too much to prove. I'm sure he knows he's being made fun of but his insecurity and desperate need for attention and some sort of validation overrides the fact that he's being made fun of.

If he can produce mediocre filler content for TGPs, he can wipe his own ass.

All valid points.

MrBottomTooth · 10-03-2012, 04:56 PM

Can you seriously not tell when someone is being sarcastic? Do you think by the way he worded his posts that he actually was looking for your advice? Reminds me of the sarcastaball episode of south park last week.

KillerK · 10-03-2012, 05:04 PM

This thread should be moved to Pauls forum.

Others could use his expertise on this subject.

alan-l · 10-03-2012, 05:09 PM

why the obsession with Paul? He's a joke anyways

seeandsee · 10-03-2012, 05:11 PM

this thread is gay, i am out

lagcam · 10-03-2012, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

................you don't even know when you're being made fun of.

Sad but true and he is probably typing up the bill for consultancy as we speak.

ilnjscb · 10-03-2012, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

epitome...please have this thread moved to the Paul Markham section.

We don't want anyone to miss the valuable marketing info that is being unleashed by Paul.

damn that is funny - no hate for PM that is just funny

Chosen · 10-03-2012, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta

That's gay

beks001 · 10-03-2012, 07:35 PM

This thread is silly gay.

Jakez · 10-03-2012, 09:27 PM

lmfao. There really is a Paul Markham section now. Too funny.

DamianJ · 10-03-2012, 09:31 PM

I concur with the people saying to give Paul a pass. His expertise in gay content will surely help you with those shit ratios you've got.

anexsia · 10-03-2012, 09:38 PM

This is a great opportunity for Paul to go from a surfer to an actual webmaster while learning from a successful program.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2012, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This isn't it? Paul, you know nothing about paysites, traffic and conversions. Zero. Your sites look like ass and this thread is to make fun of you and the fact that you know nothing about paysites, traffic and conversions. You are so desperate for attention and to pat yourself on the back after flunking out of adult, that you don't even know when you're being made fun of.

The day the content has nothing to do with conversions, is the day you'll understand the business.

What exactly do you do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete

come on, just give him the login. It's not going to cost you anything.

Anyone wondering why he doesn't?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ

I concur with the people saying to give Paul a pass. His expertise in gay content will surely help you with those shit ratios you've got.

Shooting techniques change little whether gay or straight. Maybe his content is badly shot Russian teens, no sound, no talking, no lead in, emotion and shot from bad angle. Maybe it's great American boys who do talk and the shooter captures every minute and emotion.

Of course what you know about content isn't worth squat.

MrBottomTooth yes, which is why I called him out and asked for a pass. Which he will never give me, go figure why.

DWB · 10-03-2012, 11:23 PM

sweet stats

epitome · 10-03-2012, 11:27 PM

Paul you're not getting a pass because it was a joke. Don't need or want your advice. You're free to sign up if you need to get off today.

ottopottomouse · 10-03-2012, 11:35 PM

Fantasy ignore list is well and truly fucked today.

Paul Markham · 10-04-2012, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete

It still would be interesting to see what feedback he provides. It's not like he's going to rip your site off. Give him 1 day access and let's hear what he has to say.

Does he show samples to surfers?

So why do you think he won't show any to me or in this thread?

So back to the sites I saw and some advice.
The lack of any samples has to lose some surfers. They are simply too wary today. Putting up one sample and leaving it there will do little to hurt and a lot to improve surfer confidence. Leaving the same scene on a site for years means if it's ripped off it's only one scene. And with boys looking this young it will attract a lot of traffic and sign ups. For no cost.

Also some of the settings look like the shooter isn't making much. As Epitome is in the US, I don't think these are US boys. Under fed Russians more like it. Tell the shooter to either rent real apartments or get his studio to look more like an apartment. This is not doing the content justice. Pay him more to set up better settings.

Also it looks like there's a lot of scenes in the site, how many videos, images sets, updates, models, etc. Tell people exactly what they're getting for the $30 a months,

Anyone think showing a sample, the setting of the scenes and telling surfers what they're getting. Is a bad idea, then go tell all the sites that do it, they are wrong.

The joke is rebounding.

But no doubt a lot of no nicks will tell us it's not.

Theo · 10-04-2012, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Exactly! That's why it needs to be in Paul's forum.

I believe Theo is getting ready to make Paul's section the default log in splash page for all of GFY.

Considering it!

Paul Markham · 10-04-2012, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVN Theo

Considering it!

Would be great to bounce all these threads about me over to there. If they want to joke or flame me, they know where to go. Get it off the main forum.

Phoenix · 10-04-2012, 04:09 AM

nice sites...keep up the good work

Zoxxa · 10-04-2012, 05:03 AM

You all remind me of a group of teenagers at the mall picking on seniors. Ripping on Paul can be entertaining once in awhile but its starting to just make most of you look like childish assholes with nothing better to do.

10-03-2012, 01:31 PM	#1
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,156	Dear Paul, we are only getting 1:62 with one of our paysites. Can you help improve? Hi Paul, We are distraught that we can only get 1:62 when you've said that anything worse than 1:1 is no good. Your valuable insight is desperately needed. This was taken right from the NATS admin that shows an overview when you login. It reflects all traffic, both good and bad, both in-house and affiliate. I hope you're not sleeping right now because we really need your advice!

10-03-2012, 01:35 PM	#4
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10-03-2012, 01:37 PM	#5
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10-03-2012, 02:15 PM	#9
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10-03-2012, 01:33 PM	#2
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10-03-2012, 01:42 PM	#6
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10-03-2012, 02:36 PM	#10
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10-03-2012, 02:47 PM	#12
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10-03-2012, 03:11 PM	#16
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Looking at this site, http://tour.baretwinks.com/baretwink...LjA#baretwinks Obviously nice twinks, I think. Lots of content. Can't see a sample, why not show just 1 or 2? Looks a bit like shot in a studio, needs more clutter. What I don't see is anything telling me how many many scenes or the total amount of content. Same here. http://www.globeboys.com/tour1/tour2.php? but the boys look so young I guess the guys who want that will buy whatever promised. Is this legal http://www.britishbucks.com/site2257.html http://www.globeboys.com/tour1/2257.php __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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MrBottomTooth Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,795	Can you seriously not tell when someone is being sarcastic? Do you think by the way he worded his posts that he actually was looking for your advice? Reminds me of the sarcastaball episode of south park last week. Last edited by MrBottomTooth; 10-03-2012 at 04:57 PM..

10-03-2012, 05:04 PM	#31
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10-03-2012, 05:09 PM	#32
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10-03-2012, 09:31 PM	#39
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10-03-2012, 09:38 PM	#40
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10-03-2012, 11:23 PM	#42
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10-03-2012, 11:27 PM	#43
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