Good enough revenue for a cam whitelabel? Pics inside.

[trademeister]

So we bought some assets the last months, including a domain portfolio.

There are some sites that are running for some time, and some domains that simply have a whitelabel on them.

This one particular domain has a webcam whitelabel on it and as far as we know was never promoted. No incoming hardlinks and so on. At first we didnt even notice that it was making some money. But after checking into the g.a. account i found that the site is getting some nice quality traffic. Its not a huge amount of traffic, but it seems to be traffic that is converting.

I know this isnt exactly like we are becoming millionairs the next month or anything and off course everyone is making heaps more with similar sites, but on the other hand: This is a site that doesnt even have 1 backlink to it.

So now im wondering. What to do with it?

1. Sell it for what its worth now? Would anyone even be interested in something like this? Would it be worth the hassle to find a buyer? Would there even be someone that would understand that it has potential as it is now running just on autopilot and making money without costing a single cent? What would be a good price to start negotiations if someone would be interested?

2. Build a good backlinking profile for it? See if we can pull it up higher in the SERPS? It is ranking mediocre now, but for some good camrelated keywords. Thing is: Most of those it ranks on page 2 or 3. No page 1 rankings at all. How would i get good backlinks? Would it be worth the hassle to try and buy backlinks for it?

3. Tryout different webcam whitelabels. This is a bit complicated because the WL thats on there is a real WL where returning members come back to the domain to login. At the moment we are getting 30% revenue. September we made $1150 in sales.

I know this isnt exactly rocket science and cannot be predicted to the ".", just looking for some pointers.



Thanks in advance!

Oops, almost forgot the screenie:

[trademeister]

Maybe some extra info on the keywords. Site is now getting something like 30-40 uniques daily from the search engines which is off course peanuts.

Amongst the topkeywords:

free cams
porn cams
free sex cams
free webcams
free webcam sex

Not sure if that helps.

[bns666]

if it brings you revenue as is, why change anything?

[V_RocKs]

Hit me up at vrocks at gmail

I sell links, posts and contextual links. I also can provide some answers and a small business plan tailored for your situation.

[trademeister]

Originally Posted by bns666

if it brings you revenue as is, why change anything?

One of the reasons being that we have a large network to maintain and are about to launch a brand new paysite. Got a lot on our plates already, so it would be easier to sell it off and keep the money to fund those new projects.

[trademeister]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Hit me up at vrocks at gmail

I sell links, posts and contextual links. I also can provide some answers and a small business plan tailored for your situation.

Do you have skype or icq?

Edit: email sent.

[ErectMedia]

that appears to be a streamate white label which I use as well, I wouldn't change it to another company

Not making a ton, but I would be interested in domain name it's on and price should you decide to sell. admin@(gfyusername).com

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by trademeister

One of the reasons being that we have a large network to maintain and are about to launch a brand new paysite. Got a lot on our plates already, so it would be easier to sell it off and keep the money to fund those new projects.

If you don't have backlinks or a lot of them and you are getting any kind of revenue or SERPs I would try placing it higher in the SERPs for two reasons: 1) It shouldn't be too hard to have it go higher and make more money. 2) On page one for those keywords you could sell it for 4 to 6 times more money to somebody who wants to get it to spots 1 thru 4.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by trademeister

One of the reasons being that we have a large network to maintain and are about to launch a brand new paysite. Got a lot on our plates already, so it would be easier to sell it off and keep the money to fund those new projects.

If you have a lot on your plates already how would 'not changing anything' be harder than dicking around with SERPs and backlinks?

BTW, when you bought the domain you somehow also got the Streamate WL account too?

[freecartoonporn]

leave it as it is.

[USA]

nice stats

[trademeister]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

If you have a lot on your plates already how would 'not changing anything' be harder than dicking around with SERPs and backlinks?

BTW, when you bought the domain you somehow also got the Streamate WL account too?

Because dicking around is not what im paid for
Im one of those guys that want to be productive and highly efficient, so just "dicking around" doesnt really cut it.

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

If you don't have backlinks or a lot of them and you are getting any kind of revenue or SERPs I would try placing it higher in the SERPs for two reasons: 1) It shouldn't be too hard to have it go higher and make more money. 2) On page one for those keywords you could sell it for 4 to 6 times more money to somebody who wants to get it to spots 1 thru 4.

Will reply to your email in a bit! Thanks for the info!

[Camaster]

nice stats

[beks001]

kickass stats. This on a .com WL or another extension? I'm curious about the other extensions these days if worth messing with.

[trademeister]

Originally Posted by Camaster

nice stats

Thanks.

Originally Posted by beks001

kickass stats. This on a .com WL or another extension? I'm curious about the other extensions these days if worth messing with.

This is on a .com TLD.

I will probably be able to give you some info on other extensions in the near future, will keep you posted on that project. Its a .co.uk keyword domain, but i dont have any stats ready yet.

Received some interesting offers on it, might just sell it off, but on the other hand i received some valuable information that might help us get it to make more money easily too. So its still a hard decision to make.

[Django]

Yeah good enough
Nah isn't good enough

[lucas131]

lol, troll ...

[TheSwed]

so someone was selling you a domain name and also transfer his streamate WL over to you with out telling you that it makes nice money...hmmm

[vending_machine]

Has Streamate been informed of the sale?

Keep in mind that if you change the setup on that site, change it to a different provider, kill the WL, etc. the $1k/mo (and growing) is instantly GONE.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by vending_machine

Has Streamate been informed of the sale?

Keep in mind that if you change the setup on that site, change it to a different provider, kill the WL, etc. the $1k/mo (and growing) is instantly GONE.

And they guys will simply make account in new site they find on that domain

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

And they guys will simply make account in new site they find on that domain

Sure. Why would they care about their lost accounts/credit/models they like.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Sure. Why would they care about their lost accounts/credit/models they like.

If they care they can write a complaint emails to new domain owner.
That's why I don't like whitelabels that much.

[VforVendetta]

sell it to me

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

If they care they can write a complaint emails to new domain owner.

More likely they'd just charge back and/or dismiss the site as a scam.

[FrozenJag]

If you decide to sell give me a hollar, no problem signing an NDA.

Admin at betavisions dot com

Im interested.

[Niktamer]

Same here , always interested in cam sites.

[trademeister]

Originally Posted by vending_machine

Has Streamate been informed of the sale?

Keep in mind that if you change the setup on that site, change it to a different provider, kill the WL, etc. the $1k/mo (and growing) is instantly GONE.

Yes, and the account has been and can be transferred in full to a new owner.

Originally Posted by TheSwed

so someone was selling you a domain name and also transfer his streamate WL over to you with out telling you that it makes nice money...hmmm

He did tell us it was making money, but we took over a complete company with over 700+ assets like domains, sites, etc. So it takes some time figuring out which one is making money, what domains we are going to use, which ones to sell etc.

Originally Posted by adultmobile

And they guys will simply make account in new site they find on that domain

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Sure. Why would they care about their lost accounts/credit/models they like.

Because its making them money.

Originally Posted by adultmobile

If they care they can write a complaint emails to new domain owner.
That's why I don't like whitelabels that much.

Not sure what you mean. A new owner can simply takeover the account im sure. Like we did.

Originally Posted by VforVendetta

sell it to me

Contact me

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

More likely they'd just charge back and/or dismiss the site as a scam.

Dismiss the site as a scam? Its a full WL where members get to the domain to login, why would they dismiss it as a scam. They are making money from it too.

Originally Posted by FrozenJag

If you decide to sell give me a hollar, no problem signing an NDA.

Admin at betavisions dot com

Im interested.

Will email in a bit.

Originally Posted by Niktamer

Same here , always interested in cam sites.

Will contact you in a bit.

[nvaonline]

interested too, are you selling with the account? , info @ nva-online dot nl

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by trademeister

Because its making them money.

Dismiss the site as a scam? Its a full WL where members get to the domain to login, why would they dismiss it as a scam. They are making money from it too..

You misunderstood. That was a (hypothetical) discussion on what would happen if someone took over a WL and then changed the WL from Streamate to something else. adultmobile said the customer would just sign up to the new WL, and I disagreed, since obviously in changing the WL the customer would lose their account, possibly credits, and models they like, and if they lost credits they'd probably dismiss the site as a scam and/or charge back, and either way definitely would not sign up again.

Unless you get a large offer I'm struggling to see why you'd want to sell a site that's apparently making 1k/month by itself, with no effort required, when you have other things to work on.

[3xmedia]

not bad

[lazycash]

Definitely keep the streamate whitelabel, changing it to a different white label will kill the traffic. Sounds like you most likely have a couple of steady spenders that are keeping the revenue flowing. Just out of curiosity, have you looked at the whois for the domain, typically streamate has the owner transfer the domain into their name in order to activate the white label, but its not always the case. Might be a hindrance if you decide to sell the domain and the new domain owner isn't able to take control of it.

[helterskelter808]

Having someone else's info on whois doesn't give them control of a domain.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Having someone else's info on whois doesn't give them control of a domain.

Its more than just a change in whois info. Since streamate takes the time to do some design customization for their affiliates, they don't want the affiliate to change their mind a month later and move the domain somewhere else taking streamate's recurring members and moving them somewhere else.

[Nicky]

If you want to sell email me the info and current high bid.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Its more than just a change in whois info.

Really? What is it then?

[trademeister]

Originally Posted by nvaonline

interested too, are you selling with the account? , info @ nva-online dot nl

Well if we are selling it, it would be including the account and the current members yes.

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

You misunderstood. That was a (hypothetical) discussion on what would happen if someone took over a WL and then changed the WL from Streamate to something else. adultmobile said the customer would just sign up to the new WL, and I disagreed, since obviously in changing the WL the customer would lose their account, possibly credits, and models they like, and if they lost credits they'd probably dismiss the site as a scam and/or charge back, and either way definitely would not sign up again.

Unless you get a large offer I'm struggling to see why you'd want to sell a site that's apparently making 1k/month by itself, with no effort required, when you have other things to work on.

Sorry, i indeed misunderstood.

Its not that we need to sell it, im trying to figure out if it would be worth the money and time to invest in it and try and get it better SERPS. We are not exactly desperate to move it out, since its making money on autopilot. But the thing is, we cannot promote it on our own network because it would interfere with another camprogram we have been promoting for a long time and we do not want to destroy that relationship.

Its making money, last months a steady $1000+ and growing. But i do understand thats it not a HUGE moneymaker like some of the other sites we have.

Your last line there: 100% agreed.

Originally Posted by lazycash

Definitely keep the streamate whitelabel, changing it to a different white label will kill the traffic. Sounds like you most likely have a couple of steady spenders that are keeping the revenue flowing. Just out of curiosity, have you looked at the whois for the domain, typically streamate has the owner transfer the domain into their name in order to activate the white label, but its not always the case. Might be a hindrance if you decide to sell the domain and the new domain owner isn't able to take control of it.

No worries i will definatly keep the streamate whitelabel going there. The members are spending big time, and it seems streamate has a good setup. So im not leaving them.

Originally Posted by Nicky

If you want to sell email me the info and current high bid.

Ever since i posted this thread my icq and email have been lighting up like a xmas tree. Seems a lot of people are interested in taking it, but to be honest the highest offer was $2400. For that, i will take helterskelters advice and just leave it sitting there collecting the money.

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Really? What is it then?

I would like to know too. Although the whois info may have changed to reflect their company (because its a full whitelabel where members come back to the site to login), the domain is still in my account. Im not leaving them, because they are doing awesome. But there wouldnt be much they could do if i wanted to leave them. The whois change is apparantly for the creditcard companies (merchant accounts etc stuff).

Again: Im NOT going to leave them, we are doing pretty well, maybe in some time when the traffic is increasing and we get more members to it we can ask them to increase the % a bit, but for now im pretty satisfied!

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by trademeister

I would like to know too.

Don't expect a reply, it was just a sarcastic question, because everything he said was wrong.

Although the whois info may have changed to reflect their company (because its a full whitelabel where members come back to the site to login), the domain is still in my account.

Exactly. The person who controls a domain is the person who has access to the registar control panel for the domain. What's on the whois makes no difference.

Im not leaving them, because they are doing awesome.

Exactly. His point about Streamate not wanting people to take members away, aside from being false, makes absolutely no sense. If you have a lot of referred members making guaranteed money, why would you change to another platform, ending the revshare you're already getting, on the unlikely hope they'd all sign up to another different WL (with perhaps lower revshare)? It's nonsense.

But there wouldnt be much they could do if i wanted to leave them.

True.

The whois change is apparantly for the creditcard companies (merchant accounts etc stuff).

Correct again, it's to do with processing. Not sure why he tried to claim it's for some other nonsensical reason.

[trademeister]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Don't expect a reply, it was just a sarcastic question, because everything he said was wrong.

Exactly. The person who controls a domain is the person who has access to the registar control panel for the domain. What's on the whois makes no difference.

Exactly. His point about Streamate not wanting people to take members away, aside from being false, makes absolutely no sense. If you have a lot of referred members making guaranteed money, why would you change to another platform, ending the revshare you're already getting, on the unlikely hope they'd all sign up to another different WL (with perhaps lower revshare)? It's nonsense.

True.

Correct again, it's to do with processing. Not sure why he tried to claim it's for some other nonsensical reason.

No idea.

What i did see was that in september the site's revenue has increased without any real effort to promote it or to rank it higher.

$1560 in september.

To bad that most of the offers i got on it where not even 3 months revenue. I mean, i know this industry isnt rocking like it was in the 90's but still, for a site that needs to work we rather have it sit there and collect dust and money

[AdultKing]

Trademeister, how about you explain to us your involvement with Simon Lekht and Kaktuz and that piracy outfit you're involved with ?