Why are people proud of their flag?

[Dirty F]

I never got this. It's a fucking flag. Who gives a shit.
If some idiot would start burning Dutch flags for whatever reason i would give him a lighter if he needed one. I really don't care.

[digitalfantasies]

I agree, it looks pretty dumb too when you see somebody burning a flag with lots of people around him celebrating that the damn thing is flammable

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Flagging or Flogging ?

[CyberHustler]

[Struggle4Bucks]

Never understood flags... was a bit suprised seeing all the flags on every corner on my USA trip... so I asked a guy... "what`s up with all the flags??? Is it so you guys know you`re still in America and not in Mexico or Canada? Just to be sure?"... The guy looked strange if i said something russian or something...

[_Richard_]

it takes a lot of character to respect a symbol

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it takes a lot of character to respect a symbol

it also takes a lot of character to have your own identity without grabbing the one that was offered to you...

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Yeah it takes a lot of effort to not overthrow weaker countries like Libya.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

it also takes a lot of character to have your own identity without grabbing the one that was offered to you...

[J. Falcon]

Because they are pathetic.

[d-null]

it is not the flag itself, it is what the flag represents

[beerptrol]

Ask someone who has served during war and lost buddies, or families who have lost love ones due to war. I have no problem with people burning the flag, but would choose not to out of respect for those who have given their lives for my freedom to choose wether or not to do so.

[baddog]

If you are too dumb to understand there is very little chance taking the time to explain would be of any use.

[lucas131]

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by d-null

it is not the flag itself, it is what the flag represents

[bronco67]

Because they have nothing personally to be proud of. In other words, they need a hobby.

[epitome]

One word: symbolism

Thought that would be common sense but that is lacking around here.

[Captain Kawaii]

When people stop fighting in wars they did not start the problem will be over.
Flags are now a symbol of oppression meant to enslave people to an ideology only they believe in. You think the 1% believe in the flag? Look at the list turning in their US citizenship. Look at the hordes of the wealthy fleeing China...

Stop clinging to the past. The past is a myth told by the ones who control then pens.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

it also takes a lot of character to have your own identity without grabbing the one that was offered to you...

man that sounds familiar, what piece of propaganda did you pick that up from?

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

man that sounds familiar, what piece of propaganda did you pick that up from?

Actually it was Nietzsche... the guy had some great views on mankind...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

it also takes a lot of character to have your own identity without grabbing the one that was offered to you...

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Actually it was Nietzsche... the guy had some great views on mankind...

so you're taking the identity Nietzsche has offered you, and using that information to attack others that have the audacity of 'thinking differently' than you?

furthermore, have a great time being a number within Nietzsches Herd.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

it also takes a lot of character to have your own identity without grabbing the one that was offered to you...

so when you travel and people ask you where you are from you tell them you are a child of the earth? how boring.

I'm with you on the flag warship trend that seems pretty big here in the west. It is ridiculous, but I still think a countries flag should be treated with at least minimal respect.

[sperbonzo]

If symbols don't have any importance, then what the heck are these horizontal series of squiggly little lines that we send back and forth to each other for? Do they convey, I don't know.... some sort of meaning or something?




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[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so you're taking the identity Nietzsche has offered you, and using that information to attack others that have the audacity of 'thinking differently' than you?

furthermore, have a great time being a number within Nietzsches Herd.

I'm not sure i've attacked anyone here... just posted an opinion...
If i stepped on your toe i`m sorry.
I`m not sure i'm in anyones herd... Nietzsche does not offer an
identity... the only thing he does is destroy it... then he tells
you to go fuck yourself and create your own values...
It`s sad to see that the world is currently not able to create new great values
but is stuck at these 200 years old values of nationalizm.

You have a great day too!

[SomeCreep]

if you have to ask, you'll never know.

[- Jesus Christ -]

Stupidity

[Zeiss]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

it also takes a lot of character to have your own identity without grabbing the one that was offered to you...

[Killswitch]

Why have family crests been around for thousands of years?

[Scott McD]

I've never understood the whole "Proud of my country" thing.

If you were born elsewhere, you'd say the same shit. "Oh i'm so proud of my country!"

Croc of shit...

[grumpy]

its what it represents, but you dont get that

[ColBigBalls]

Because people need something to believe in and often time be fanatical about. If its not religion why not a flag =)

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

I've never understood the whole "Proud of my country" thing.

If you were born elsewhere, you'd say the same shit. "Oh i'm so proud of my country!"

Croc of shit...

Yes, exactly that.
Now don't get me wrong, i'm happy i was born where i was born but i totally realize this is just by chance. And just because i was born here doesn't mean i'm proud of this country. I don't give a shit about this country and don't give a shit about the Dutch people in general.
We did some great things and we did some stupid things, just like any other country. And i wasn't there to be a part of it. So it doesn't involve me.
If this country implodes tomorrow i'll move to another country.

I do care about some stuff, about some people, but what country they are from, what flag their country has, my family's history or theirs...it's not relevant.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

I'm not sure i've attacked anyone here... just posted an opinion...
If i stepped on your toe i`m sorry.
I`m not sure i'm in anyones herd... Nietzsche does not offer an
identity... the only thing he does is destroy it... then he tells
you to go fuck yourself and create your own values...
It`s sad to see that the world is currently not able to create new great values
but is stuck at these 200 years old values of nationalizm.

You have a great day too!

you're quoting dudes from 120 years ago and trying to portray that as unique thought

[CaptainHowdy]

It's something to do ...

[EliteWebmaster]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

I never got this. It's a fucking flag. Who gives a shit....

I stopped reading right there...

The flag represents much more than a piece of cloth. Like D-Null pointed out, it is not the flag itself, it is what the flag represents. People gave their lives so that we can enjoy the freedom that we are enjoying today.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

you're quoting dudes from 120 years ago and trying to portray that as unique thought

For the record... the quote was mine! When i referred to N. i was only trying to say that he wrote some interesting things on nationalism. We all absorb experiences and info and based on that we develop our own worldview.... well... some of us... the rest swears on god and the crown.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by d-null

it is not the flag itself, it is what the flag represents

Strange that some people does not understand that. If you respect and love your country you respect the flag, its not just peace of textile.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

I've never understood the whole "Proud of my country" thing.

If you were born elsewhere, you'd say the same shit. "Oh i'm so proud of my country!"

Croc of shit...

I'm telling William Wallace.

[Joe Obenberger]

There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

There are plenty who've died trying to a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philipines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled, everyone from General to private at attention facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - that come from the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years that some hate this country and its symbols, all for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag, but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.

who are you, masked avenger?

[davethedope]

You best start believing in JohnnyClips threads... You're in one.

[StickyGreen]

Looks like most of you are ready for the New World Order...

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.

Nice post Joe




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[MPGdevil]

Did JohnnyClips just hack an account?

[Struggle4Bucks]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PZGmeg23ICQ

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

Did JohnnyClips just hack an account?

Yes, he probably hacked Joe Obenberger and is looking to explore his other extreme side.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by lucas131

not bad

[Killswitch]

Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger

There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.

Well fucking said.

[AutumnBH]