Police shooting caught on video

[Rochard]

Just saw this on the local news tonight; Seems they just released the video.

As you watch the video keep in mind this man has prior convictions for burglary, statutory rape, possession of controlled substances, felony evading arrest, vehicle theft, possession of a stolen vehicle, assault with a deadly weapon and participating in a criminal street gang.

After his death, it was discovered he was on meth as well.

Police had staked out that house because Ernest Duenez, who was on parole at the time, was wanted for questioning in a domestic violence incident earlier that day.

[RyuLion]

Ok....what are YOU trying to point out?

[xNetworx]

As real as it gets. Intense video there

[bean-aid]

so he gets out of the car, wanted for questioning of an earlier domestic dispute and got shot... 12 times I counted. Hmmm...

[CyberHustler]

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Ok....what are YOU trying to point out?

that if you done any crime police have the right to kill you. they would have a bad day this way.

[mamaliga]

what a dipshit and coward cop. I do understand the officers to use their guns when they are in danger but the boy was far enoght from him. He could shot him in the leg in worst case.
pussy.

[iwantchixx]

It's not murder for shooting him, it's murder when emptying damn near a whole clip when the first shot put him down enough as-is.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

It's not murder for shooting him, it's murder when emptying damn near a whole clip when the first shot put him down enough as-is.

BINGO!!

[ManicaMark]

What happened to tasers? I though US cope were all into 'non lethal force' 1st; then going all Vietnam on someone's ass.

[DWB]

HOLY FUCK!

What happened to tazers?

Hope all of those bastards lose their job. That was uncalled for. A tazer or even ONE shot would have done the trick, probably even a shot into the air would have stopped him. It's not OK to unload into people for not following orders.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by DWB

HOLY FUCK!

What happened to tazers?

Hope all of those bastards lose their job. That was uncalled for. A tazer or even ONE shot would have done the trick, probably even a shot into the air would have stopped him. It's not OK to unload into people for not following orders.

I agree a man that has prior convictions for burglary, statutory rape, possession of controlled substances, felony evading arrest, vehicle theft, possession of a stolen vehicle, assault with a deadly weapon and participating in a criminal street gang currently in the midst of beating a woman should be allowed to do anything he wants, hang around jail for 20-30 min and get right back out there again

cops are not special forces guys. they are trained to kill in self defense. the best way to kill is unload the gun. remember in the video where the cops states "drop the knife, don't move"? and the creepy guy grabbed the knifed and started to move on the cop, you saw that correct?

why should some cop risk his life and health and the well being of his family on a piece shit like that guy?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Ok....what are YOU trying to point out?

I've got the same question.

[bronco67]

I don't care what the guy was guilty of beforehand -- and maybe the planet is better off without him -- but this was not a righteous kill.

I know cops have a tough job, but if a guy is a few feet away from you with a knife, and is not coming toward you, then shouldn't have to empty an entire clip into him. This is another cop scared of his own shadow.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by mamaliga

what a dipshit and coward cop. I do understand the officers to use their guns when they are in danger but the boy was far enoght from him. He could shot him in the leg in worst case.
pussy.

Hahhaha.. shoot him in the leg.. Hahahahahaha.

1. Have you ever fired a weapon in your life?

2. Try shooting a target that is 6.5 inches across, moving and 12 to 15 feet away.

3. Add into that the adrenalin rush and see how you do. ( simulate it by running around a city block and shooting )

4. add in the known info that the guy is considered dangerous and with a drug background.

Im not saying they were justified as a taser would most likely have worked but wow. People just amaze me with the " Shoot him in the leg " idea.

There has been shooting after shooting with marks men involved in spaces of 12 feet distance and no one gets hit.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Hahhaha.. shoot him in the leg.. Hahahahahaha.

1. Have you ever fired a weapon in your life?

2. Try shooting a target that is 6.5 inches across, moving and 12 to 15 feet away.

3. Add into that the adrenalin rush and see how you do. ( simulate it by running around a city block and shooting )

4. add in the known info that the guy is considered dangerous and with a drug background.

Im not saying they were justified as a taser would most likely have worked but wow. People just amaze me with the " Shoot him in the leg " idea.

There has been shooting after shooting with marks men involved in spaces of 12 feet distance and no one gets hit.

You're right. I doubt anyone ever thinks about wounding when their life is in danger. "I'll just shoot this guy in the leg". Anyone would blast away until the guy is dead.

The problem is cops who have a very slim tolerance for what they consider to be a life and death situation for themselves.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Hahhaha.. shoot him in the leg.. Hahahahahaha.

1. Have you ever fired a weapon in your life?

2. Try shooting a target that is 6.5 inches across, moving and 12 to 15 feet away.

3. Add into that the adrenalin rush and see how you do. ( simulate it by running around a city block and shooting )

4. add in the known info that the guy is considered dangerous and with a drug background.

Im not saying they were justified as a taser would most likely have worked but wow. People just amaze me with the " Shoot him in the leg " idea.

There has been shooting after shooting with marks men involved in spaces of 12 feet distance and no one gets hit.

these cops were expert marksmen then hit him over 12 times someone pointed out....poor guy...sure he was a dirtbag lsoer...but to be shot down...naw...i wont watch the video..i have seen enough of them and need to work today.

[pornguy]

Oh and not to mention that the cop said " Drop the Knife now!"

there was a huge thing in the law enforcement a bunch of years back where they finally decided that 21 feet was the closest that you wanted to be to a person with a knife. Anything within that distance was close enough to use deadly force.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

these cops were expert marksmen then hit him over 12 times someone pointed out....poor guy...sure he was a dirtbag lsoer...but to be shot down...naw...i wont watch the video..i have seen enough of them and need to work today.

very few of the street cops are expert marks man. They qualify every so many months but thats it.

I was talking about competition shoots that have been involved in shoots and not hit the target because of a LOT of factors.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Everyone is kill able but the killers.

[Rochard]

I understand the cops actions. If you told me I had to confront, arrest, and detain a convicted felon who was considered armed and dangerous, and then instead of him obeying order he jumps out of the car? I would shoot too.

However, I question why he emptied an entire clip into the guy. He could have fired once or twice to stop him and put him down, not kill him. By unloading the entire clip into the guy put him in a bad situation from a combat perspective - There was two other people in the truck plus the wife and god only knows who else... So suddenly he just shot and killed a man but now had to reload.

Anyhow, I don't care much. The family is making this out like he was a "loving father". Seems to me he was a convicted felon who had been to jail three times, and was shot when he failed to follow orders from the police officer when they tried to detain him.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I understand the cops actions. If you told me I had to confront, arrest, and detain a convicted felon who was considered armed and dangerous, and then instead of him obeying order he jumps out of the car? I would shoot too.

However, I question why he emptied an entire clip into the guy. He could have fired once or twice to stop him and put him down, not kill him. By unloading the entire clip into the guy put him in a bad situation from a combat perspective - There was two other people in the truck plus the wife and god only knows who else... So suddenly he just shot and killed a man but now had to reload.

Anyhow, I don't care much. The family is making this out like he was a "loving father". Seems to me he was a convicted felon who had been to jail three times, and was shot when he failed to follow orders from the police officer when they tried to detain him.

Do you have the link to the news article?

[highper]

That was f'd up.

[tony286]

Wanna get really pissed. This guy leaves his dog with his cousin to watch. The dogsitter leaves thru the garage doesnt watch and the dog goes out also. She warrandering the new neighborhood, the poilice are called. Watch the video, the dog scared out of its mind on the catch pole and the cop empty's the gun in it and before that the dog is just watching them talk. No aggression.
http://www.examiner.com/video/will-t...tice-for-chloe

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Do you have the link to the news article?

The first one I found was: http://fox40.com/local-news/stories/...adly-shooting/

However, the further you dig, the better it gets. This guy was a real life gangbanger.

[Verbal]

That man appeared very aggressive and showed absolutely no intention of cooperating with the cop. He was given plenty of time to do so. End of story.

[CHMOD]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I agree a man that has prior convictions for burglary, statutory rape, possession of controlled substances, felony evading arrest, vehicle theft, possession of a stolen vehicle, assault with a deadly weapon and participating in a criminal street gang currently in the midst of beating a woman should be allowed to do anything he wants, hang around jail for 20-30 min and get right back out there again

cops are not special forces guys. they are trained to kill in self defense. the best way to kill is unload the gun. remember in the video where the cops states "drop the knife, don't move"? and the creepy guy grabbed the knifed and started to move on the cop, you saw that correct?

why should some cop risk his life and health and the well being of his family on a piece shit like that guy?

What he said.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I agree a man that has prior convictions for burglary, statutory rape, possession of controlled substances, felony evading arrest, vehicle theft, possession of a stolen vehicle, assault with a deadly weapon and participating in a criminal street gang currently in the midst of beating a woman should be allowed to do anything he wants, hang around jail for 20-30 min and get right back out there again

cops are not special forces guys. they are trained to kill in self defense. the best way to kill is unload the gun. remember in the video where the cops states "drop the knife, don't move"? and the creepy guy grabbed the knifed and started to move on the cop, you saw that correct?

why should some cop risk his life and health and the well being of his family on a piece shit like that guy?

cops should be doing all they can to ensure the guy is not killed while ensuring they are safe too. instead what seems to happening more and more is that cops are looking for any "justified" reason to murder people. "He came at me" ok...but you didn't have to kill him. The cop wanted to kill him. H let his emotions take over and executed the guy.

[brassmonkey]

looked like he was waiting for him. maybe he threatened someone and they called popo. the cop was sitting there waiting for him. the police report would probably paint the whole picture.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by tony286

Wanna get really pissed. This guy leaves his dog with his cousin to watch. The dogsitter leaves thru the garage doesnt watch and the dog goes out also. She warrandering the new neighborhood, the poilice are called. Watch the video, the dog scared out of its mind on the catch pole and the cop empty's the gun in it and before that the dog is just watching them talk. No aggression.
http://www.examiner.com/video/will-t...tice-for-chloe

oh yeah compare a dog to human life.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

cops should be doing all they can to ensure the guy is not killed while ensuring they are safe too. instead what seems to happening more and more is that cops are looking for any "justified" reason to murder people. "He came at me" ok...but you didn't have to kill him. The cop wanted to kill him. H let his emotions take over and executed the guy.

Precisely.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

oh yeah compare a dog to human life.

It is as good as any a place to start a comparison.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

oh yeah compare a dog to human life.

No its another example of trigger happy police. The dog didnt have a rap sheet and they shot her 5 times.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

cops should be doing all they can to ensure the guy is not killed while ensuring they are safe too. instead what seems to happening more and more is that cops are looking for any "justified" reason to murder people. "He came at me" ok...but you didn't have to kill him. The cop wanted to kill him. H let his emotions take over and executed the guy.

cops are NOT combat trained, it's not as easy as you would like to think it is

[DBS.US]

Sorry, wrong guy. We are looking for your brother

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I understand the cops actions. If you told me I had to confront, arrest, and detain a convicted felon who was considered armed and dangerous, and then instead of him obeying order he jumps out of the car? I would shoot too.

However, I question why he emptied an entire clip into the guy. He could have fired once or twice to stop him and put him down, not kill him.

I was a reserve deputy sherrif in AZ for a couple of years and had to go through all of the training. "Firing once or twice to stop someone" is a fallacy that has been perpetuated by hollywood. It all depends on the state of mind and determination of the person being shot. If someone is full of adrenalin they can take a bunch of rounds. If you don't cause a drastic and sudden drop in blood pressure, by hitting the brain or the heart, (small difficult targets), it can take on average 7 rounds of 9mm or 4 rounds of .45 to make a determined attacker completely "down" and unable to get up, attack, or draw and fire his own weapon. Every cop and firearms course will tell you that in a situation where you feel that deadly force must be used, you need to keep on shooting , center mass, until the mag is empty, then reload, and see what is the situation.




.



.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by tony286

No its another example of trigger happy police. The dog didnt have a rap sheet and they shot her 5 times.

Actually it turned out later that the dog was a former Nazi war criminal, also a wanted serial killer, and jaywalker.....






.

[MaDalton]

ok, 2 questions:

- why is it possible that in other countries Police can stop people without unloading their whole magazines in them?

- why can't i post even the hint of a female nipple on Youtube but something like this?

[MaDalton]

ah - and no matter what happened before - this was simply murder.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

- why can't i post even the hint of a female nipple on Youtube but something like this?

You have a female nipple??? You never told me that. I never even noticed!


Wow. You think you know a guy for years and years, but you never really do, I guess....






.

[Frank21]

arent they supposed to leave that evidence for the forensic team who investigate police shootings?

[xholly]

clear murder, looked like he even shot him in the back, surprised he didn't shoot the girl too, seemed like he was just about to. disgusting.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

- why is it possible that in other countries Police can stop people without unloading their whole magazines in them?

Police stop thousands of people each day without so much as drawing their weapons.

However, when you are staking out a known felon who is considered armed and dangerous and he jumps out at you, it's a different story.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

- why can't i post even the hint of a female nipple on Youtube but something like this?

I don't understand this either.

Last night this was on the news, which was on directly after Glee. My kid watched it with me. I think the worst thing a child can see is another person being killed.

We show violence and death on TV and in the movies and even video games, but sex, something everyone will do eventually, is bad?

Go figure.

(And yes, I watch Glee. There, I said it.)

[Struggle4Bucks]

[QUOTE=MaDalton;19369751]ok, 2 questions:

- why is it possible that in other countries Police can stop people without unloading their whole magazines in them?QUOTE]

Agree... If these cops are not trained for combat or whatever... then why should they step on the gas... drive towards the guy, jump and run out of the car while grabbing for the gun and immediatly start shooting?

If this guy is so dangerous... why not get a special force to book him in.

It is truly disturbing... he was only wanted for questioning... and turns out dead.
If they had called him to come to the police office for questions... maybe he would have
just go over there...

I don't believe this... they even handcuff him after being shot...!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

You have a female nipple??? You never told me that. I never even noticed!


Wow. You think you know a guy for years and years, but you never really do, I guess....


.

i do have a lot of female nipples at my disposal

[Struggle4Bucks]

white trash with a badge!

[vdbucks]

Ahem... knife... what knife?

The cop was desperately searching for something, anything to "prove" he was justified in murdering the guy. He even went so far as to open the guys pants and check his scrotum as if somehow the dude had time to stuff the knife into his pants while the cop unloaded into him.

Also, the guy didn't go after the cop. He may have panicked sure, but it's pretty clear to me that his leg got caught on something and he lost his balance right as the cop unloaded into him.

Not like the cop will get anything more than a medal of honor for this nonsense though. Cops protect their own.

Add to all of that that so many people are actually defending the cop. And you morons wonder why America is currently in the downward spiral of a toilet flush...

[DAMNMAN]

rolling him over and cuffing his dead body without trying CPR etc..... is a real fucking classy move and shows how we are just walking meat sticks to these fuckers.

[_Richard_]

the dude reached back into the car

dudes dead

[bronco67]

Maybe some cops go into a situation wanting this to happen, or it wouldn't happen so much.

they'd have to be crazy to want that, considering the amount of bullshit to deal with afterwards, but maybe some are just nuts.

I know a cop who has never had to draw his weapon in 15 years on the force, and he says he's had to cause to several times -- and he says he may have been just lucky, but he's glad that he's never shot anyone.

[MasturbateFun]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

the dude reached back into the car

dudes dead

Exactly. Not many people have been in situations where people try to kill you. When you are in LE, military, VIP protection etc. you look at the world and threats to your life differently.. .

I don't know all the facts of this particular case but
The bad guys don't care about you. All they wanna do is get away.

In the end if the day you wanna come home to your family.