Andy Wakefield on the History and Causation of Autism

[wehateporn]

[Some Guy]

Watching now. I have a few friends who have autistic kids. I'll send this along to them in case they haven't seen it yet.

Recent studies have linked autism to low folic acid in pregnant women along with older fathers. A lot of guys are having kids later on in life now and apparently the quality of sperm takes a real nosedive after the age of 35 or so. I tend to believe those explanations over the whole vaccination thing.

[AdultPornMasta]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Watching now. I have a few friends who have autistic kids. I'll send this along to them in case they haven't seen it yet.

Recent studies have linked autism to low folic acid in pregnant women along with older fathers. A lot of guys are having kids later on in life now and apparently the quality of sperm takes a real nosedive after the age of 35 or so. I tend to believe those explanations over the whole vaccination thing.

So stop breeding at those ages and the problem goes away.

oops

"Eugenics"?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Watching now. I have a few friends who have autistic kids. I'll send this along to them in case they haven't seen it yet.

Recent studies have linked autism to low folic acid in pregnant women along with older fathers. A lot of guys are having kids later on in life now and apparently the quality of sperm takes a real nosedive after the age of 35 or so. I tend to believe those explanations over the whole vaccination thing.

Yeah, it's a solid explanation in the video, I'm sure your friends will appreciate you sending it.

That's a good explanation about the folic acid, as malnourished babies are the ones who are most likely to be damaged by vaccines.

The best advice I could give to those who want to vaccinate their kids is to wait as long as possible, ideally after the age of 5. Make sure they're completely healthy and well-nourished, no sign of fever and haven't taken antibiotics recently. Only take one vaccine at a time, leave at least 2 months between each. Be selective with vaccination, choose 10 at most, avoid all of the combination vaccines like MMR, avoid Hep B and Pertussis as these are the ones where the most money is paid out in compensation to the damaged children.

Obviously I'm completely anti-vaccine as no vaccine has ever been shown to be safe; the studies do not exist and are always avoided. However for those who still feel the need to vaccinate their kids, the above is the best way to minimize the risk of injuring your child.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yeah, it's a solid explanation in the video, I'm sure your friends will appreciate you sending it.

That's a good explanation about the folic acid, as malnourished babies are the ones who are most likely to be damaged by vaccines.

The best advice I could give to those who want to vaccinate their kids is to wait as long as possible, ideally after the age of 5. Make sure they're completely healthy and well-nourished, no sign of fever and haven't taken antibiotics recently. Only take one vaccine at a time, leave at least 2 months between each. Be selective with vaccination, choose 10 at most, avoid all of the combination vaccines like MMR, avoid Hep B and Pertussis as these are the ones where the most money is paid out in compensation to the damaged children.

Obviously I'm completely anti-vaccine as no vaccine has ever been shown to be safe; the studies do not exist and are always avoided. However for those who still feel the need to vaccinate their kids, the above is the best way to minimize the risk of injuring your child.

Your talking about possible killing kids by saying do not get Vaccination fucking retard
Why the fuck would anyone in there right mind wait 5 years when the hospital does the injection after birth

[The Duck]

What is the gist of the video? Anyone care to elaborate?

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Your talking about possible killing kids by saying do not get Vaccination fucking retard
Why the fuck would anyone in there right mind wait 5 years when the hospital does the injection after birth

Because youtube is blocked on hospital computers so none of the doctors know anything.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Yeah, it's a solid explanation in the video, I'm sure your friends will appreciate you sending it.

That's a good explanation about the folic acid, as malnourished babies are the ones who are most likely to be damaged by vaccines.

The best advice I could give to those who want to vaccinate their kids is to wait as long as possible, ideally after the age of 5. Make sure they're completely healthy and well-nourished, no sign of fever and haven't taken antibiotics recently. Only take one vaccine at a time, leave at least 2 months between each. Be selective with vaccination, choose 10 at most, avoid all of the combination vaccines like MMR, avoid Hep B and Pertussis as these are the ones where the most money is paid out in compensation to the damaged children.

Obviously I'm completely anti-vaccine as no vaccine has ever been shown to be safe; the studies do not exist and are always avoided. However for those who still feel the need to vaccinate their kids, the above is the best way to minimize the risk of injuring your child.

Just out of curiosity, how many children do you have?

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Your talking about possible killing kids by saying do not get Vaccination fucking retard
Why the fuck would anyone in there right mind wait 5 years when the hospital does the injection after birth

a lot of people would...fuck vaccines..stop being so gullible

[react]

Yeah, _anyway_, I don't know one person who has polio.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Your talking about possible killing kids by saying do not get Vaccination fucking retard
Why the fuck would anyone in there right mind wait 5 years when the hospital does the injection after birth

Cot Death

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by The Duck

What is the gist of the video? Anyone care to elaborate?

MMR Autism link, but vaccine corporations are desperately trying to deny it to avoid huge compensation payouts and lost future sales

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Because youtube is blocked on hospital computers so none of the doctors know anything.

Hospitals have to do what they're told even if they risk switching their wireless networks on and watching YouTube

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Just out of curiosity, how many children do you have?

I'll save that for the 'How many children do you have?' thread

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by react

Yeah, _anyway_, I don't know one person who has polio.

Pretty nasty in India after Bill Gates showed up with his Polio vaccines

Researchers reported:-

"?while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere [First, do no harm] was violated."

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by ninavain

a lot of people would...fuck vaccines..stop being so gullible

The indoctrination is hard to get away from, when most are presented with the real facts they are left in ideological denial

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Jeremy Wakefield is widely regarded as a discredited fraud by the medical field, which is why he was stripped of his medical license. It is mostly conspiracy kooks still peddling his bad science:

Part 1:

Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there is a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.[1][2][3]

Four years after the publication of the paper, other researchers' results had still failed to reproduce Wakefield's findings or confirm his hypothesis of a relation between childhood gastrointestinal disorders and autism.[4] A 2004 investigation by Sunday Times reporter Brian Deer identified undisclosed financial conflicts of interest on Wakefield's part,[5] and most of his coauthors then withdrew their support for the study's interpretations.[6] The British General Medical Council (GMC) conducted an inquiry into allegations of misconduct against Wakefield and two former colleagues.[7]

The investigation centred on Deer's numerous findings, including one that autistic children were subjected to unnecessary invasive medical procedures,[8] such as colonoscopy and lumbar puncture, and that Wakefield acted without the required ethical approval from an institutional review board.

On 28 January 2010, a five-member statutory tribunal of the GMC found three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally challenged children.[9] The panel ruled that Wakefield had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant", acted both against the interests of his patients, and "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in his published research.[10][11][12]

The Lancet immediately and fully retracted his 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC?s findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified.[13] Wakefield was struck off the Medical Register in May 2010, with a statement identifying dishonest falsification in The Lancet research,[14] and is barred from practising medicine in the UK.[15]

In January 2011, an editorial accompanying an article by Brian Deer in BMJ identified Wakefield's work as an "elaborate fraud".[1][16][17] In a follow-up article,[18] Deer said that Wakefield had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing".[19] In November 2011, yet another report in BMJ[20] revealed original raw data indicating that, contrary to Wakefield's claims in The Lancet, children in his research did not have inflammatory bowel disease.[21][22]

Wakefield's study and public recommendations against the use of the combined MMR vaccine were linked to a steep decline in vaccination rates in the United Kingdom and a corresponding rise in measles cases, resulting in serious illness and fatalities.[23][24][25] Wakefield has continued to defend his research and conclusions, saying there was no fraud, hoax or profit motive.[26][27]

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[arock10]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Jeremy Wakefield is widely regarded as a discredited fraud by the medical field, which is why he was stripped of his medical license. It is mostly conspiracy kooks still peddling his bad science:

Part 1:




Part 2:




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yet wehateporn still likes to preach about wehatescience

[Some Guy]

Andrew Wakefield is kind of a quack. Vaccinations don't lead to autism and the benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the negatives. I don't have kids but when/if I do I'll be getting them vaccinated for sure. The cause of autism is probably low folic acid, older fathers, or something along those lines.

[react]

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Just out of curiosity, how many children do you have?

this guy definitely still lives with his parents and I am willing to bet he is over 30.

[wehateporn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smear_campaign

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Jeremy Wakefield is widely regarded as a discredited fraud by the medical field, which is why he was stripped of his medical license. It is mostly conspiracy kooks still peddling his bad science:

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by arock10

yet wehateporn still likes to preach about wehatescience

WeHateTobaccoScience

I love real science, that's why I'm against vaccines, what I don't like is Corporate Science e.g. old-style Tobacco science, Fluoride science and Vaccine science

[[Labret]]

Dont worry, Richard should be here soon.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Andrew Wakefield is kind of a quack. Vaccinations don't lead to autism and the benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the negatives. I don't have kids but when/if I do I'll be getting them vaccinated for sure. The cause of autism is probably low folic acid, older fathers, or something along those lines.

"Andrew Wakefield is kind of a quack."

Scientists are there to make the corporations money, as soon as a scientist starts losing them money they call him a quack and destroy his career.

"Vaccinations don't lead to autism and the benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the negatives."

They do lead to autism, there is no proof that the benefits of vaccinations outweigh the negatives, it's just a myth, a religious belief, there are no long term or mid term studies, and the safety studies are inadequate. The belief of yours is purely based on assumption.

"I don't have kids but when/if I do I'll be getting them vaccinated for sure."

I'd recommend as much research as possible before that day

"The cause of autism is probably low folic acid, older fathers, or something along those lines."

Anything that won't cause Big Pharma a loss in sales or trigger compensation payouts. They control the CDC and the FDA, it's there people in charge. One would have to be naive or uninformed to believe that what they tell us is anywhere close to the reality.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by [Labret]

Dont worry, Richard should be here soon.

You are a bot in a foreign disguise

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Andrew Wakefield is kind of a quack. Vaccinations don't lead to autism and the benefits of vaccinations far outweigh the negatives. I don't have kids but when/if I do I'll be getting them vaccinated for sure. The cause of autism is probably low folic acid, older fathers, or something along those lines.

Obviously autism, a nascent disorder is caused by circumstances that we have evolved alongside for millions of years.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Some Guy

Penn & Teller are illusionists; ever wonder why one would choose illusionists to debunk conspiracies such as 9/11 and vaccines?

Yes, I've got you thinking now...hopefully...anyway, how did Penn & Teller do this trick you're asking? How did they make it seem like toxic vaccines are actually good for our health when in reality they are being used to sow the seeds of disease? Very simple actually, all they did was use fake stats which ignored the Cot Death, Epilepsy, MS, Diabetes Type 1 etc while ignoring the fact that the childhood illnesses like Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox etc are not dangerous to the healthy and well-nourished. Seems easy now that you know, but they had you puzzled for a while with that didn't they

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by react

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shill

Noun

shill (plural shills)

A person paid to endorse a product favourably, while pretending to be impartial.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Monotony

Obviously autism, a nascent disorder is caused by circumstances that we have evolved alongside for millions of years.

How many more of your nicks are you going to bring into this thread, how about you bring in StickyGreen to agree with me

[wehateporn]

Even ScottyBot here too, you need to work on using nicks which have slipped off my BOT-DAR, otherwise I find it hard to bother

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

How many more of your nicks are you going to bring into this thread, how about you bring in StickyGreen to agree with me

Rest assured that I for one am a unique individual.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Monotony

Rest assured that I for one am a unique individual.

I won't blame you then, but the rest of your fake nicks better watch out

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I won't blame you then, but the rest of your fake nicks better watch out

It pays to be suspicious but it is a fine line between a much more upscale area...

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The best advice I could give to those who want to vaccinate their kids is to wait as long as possible, ideally after the age of 5.

Thank you for your sound medical advice as a licensed, board certified physician, clearly qualified to be dispensing such advice. Your input on this life or death issue is much appreciate by all, i'm sure.

[arock10]

Ok so why aren't we all dying from small pox still? What has managed to stop the spread of it?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Thank you for your sound medical advice as a licensed, board certified physician, clearly qualified to be dispensing such advice. Your input on this life or death issue is much appreciate by all, i'm sure.

GFY is fortunate to have me here. If you're alive in 20 years time think back to these threads of mine, the information will be common knowledge by then

[arock10]

Also I'm curious where the conspiracy line begins.

Washing your hands = big pharma conspiracy
Brushing your teeth = big pharma conspiracy (proctor and gamble conspiracy?)
Pasteurization = big pharma conspiracy
Refrigeration = big appliance company conspiracy

Just trying to see where the sanity breaks down

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by arock10

Ok so why aren't we all dying from small pox still? What has managed to stop the spread of it?

[wehateporn]

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by arock10

Also I'm curious where the conspiracy line begins.

Washing your hands = big pharma conspiracy
Brushing your teeth = big pharma conspiracy (proctor and gamble conspiracy?)
Pasteurization = big pharma conspiracy
Refrigeration = big appliance company conspiracy

Just trying to see where the sanity breaks down

Vaccines are to sow the seeds of disease so as to hook us on Big Pharma drugs. The drugs have side-effects so as to cause more damage, bringing in cross-sales for Big Pharma. There is no independent regulation, all regulation has now been taken over by the Pharmaceuticals, even the media is at their mercy, relying on their advertising dollars.

The whole system is scammed. It's currently still possible to spread the reality of the situation on the Internet, but it won't be long until that is stopped.

The main purpose is to trap us in the system, so as we cannot go and live in a forest and store our own wealth safely there. Instead we have to stay in the system, depending on Big Pharma drugs which we have to pay for. This means we need Pounds/Dollars/Euros to store our wealth in, which means that the Bankers can then dip their dirty hands into our wealth whenever they wish. They want to use every technique possible to push us into storing our wealth in their currencies, so as they can steal from us whenever they wish, this way we are slave of theirs; hence at the top-level vaccines are to make us slaves, taking away freedom.