Verotel wanting $673.60 Cdn for Visa/MC reg - AND PASSPORT COPY?!! What the fuck? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

fuzebox · 04-17-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

Its the way grown ups do business and have for many years.

CurrentlySober · 04-17-2013, 09:06 AM

I know I'm 'the poo guy' but I have to agree with MANY others here...

If you are doing legit biz, then PROVE who you are! I have, many times over. I bought my son a house the other day, for cash...

I virtually had to provide DNA!

Sorry guys, but like it or lump it, this is the REAL WORLD in 2013...

SwirlsGirl · 04-17-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

What I find ironic is that it is the smaller players who get stuck paying but everybody knows it's always been the larger players who have been responsible for the scumbag shit in our industry for years. You know banging cards, hidden cross sales, chargeback roulette. It's not the little guys you see complaining who did all that crap. It's the big scumbags who in some cases are still around today and sitting pretty. These are the people who helped to bring about all the "compliance fees" for "regulation" we see now. And shit still happens. Remember agamegirlz.com just a few months ago?

Precisely and its about time we stop complying with bull shit rules not LAWS by middle men and pseudo bankers....we run this industry but the bankers do not want you to realize who has the power.

Wouldn't you think it would be prudent for the collectors and processors of our funds to provide us merchants with their identifications, home address, pass ports,etc home phone numbers.....before they can be allowed the priviledge of collecting our funds for us.

Personally I think the middle men and pseudo bankers are the ones who need to be transparent and not us honest hard working movers and shakers of the adult industry

But there is not enough of us who understand how this works at the highest levels to wake up the other idiots in our industry.

We praise morons and trolls on this board and not the ones who think outside the box and promote sound ideas. Ultimately the middle men and their system of electronic credit is not going to last...

when the dust settles there will still be merchants and customers and how will we transact with them will be up to us not cheeesy rat skillless parasitical middle men leeches who continue to pass excuses while holding monies

pornguy · 04-17-2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

If processors insist on intrusive IDs, then perhaps alternative currencies really will be the answer soon.

Social security numbers, copies of driver's licenses, passports - fuck that shit. Nobody needs that much information, especially faceless people across the ocean.

Maybe we need to require they do the same. I never know who I am sending info to so maybe they should have to divulge the same info of who will be handling ours. So when it gets sold, we have a place to start..

sperbonzo · 04-17-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Precisely and its about time we stop complying with bull shit rules not LAWS by middle men and pseudo bankers....we run this industry but the bankers do not want you to realize who has the power.

Wouldn't you think it would be prudent for the collectors and processors of our funds to provide us merchants with their identifications, home address, pass ports,etc home phone numbers.....before they can be allowed the priviledge of collecting our funds for us.

Personally I think the middle men and pseudo bankers are the ones who need to be transparent and not us honest hard working movers and shakers of the adult industry

But there is not enough of us who understand how this works at the highest levels to wake up the other idiots in our industry.

We praise morons and trolls on this board and not the ones who think outside the box and promote sound ideas. Ultimately the middle men and their system of electronic credit is not going to last...

when the dust settles there will still be merchants and customers and how will we transact with them will be up to us not cheeesy rat skillless parasitical middle men leeches who continue to pass excuses while holding monies

I deal with international banks everyday. I DO understand how this works at the highest levels, and you are angry at the wrong people. Bankers don't care who the money is going to, or where it's coming from. It's the governments that tell bankers that they must comply with KYC *Know Your Customer* and AML *Anti-Money Laundering* regulations. If the banker does not, the bank is fined heavily at least, or can have it's license pulled, or bank executives can end up going to jail, in the most extreme cases.

Just because you say "I'm so and so, and my company is called X" doesn't mean anything to the government regulators that tell the banks what they must do. There is a list of documentation that the banks must have on file in order to be in compliance with government orders. The banks then pass this down to the processors.

You want to be angry about it? Be angry at your governments, both US and EU, that compel the banks to gather all of this due diligence. Until recently, there were still countries in the world that did NOT force their banks to do this, but the EU and the US governments have created a situation where even the banks in those countries were forced to comply in order to deal with business internationally.

Again people, it's not the banks. It's the governments.

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Barefootsies · 04-17-2013, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

you are angry at the wrong people

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

It's the governments that tell bankers that they must comply with KYC *Know Your Customer* and AML *Anti-Money Laundering* regulations.

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Again people, it's not the banks. It's the governments.

Exactamundo.

Thanks jew for breaking it down to the misinformed. All the sheep wanted their government to protect them from 'terror', both real and completely fictitious. This is the end result of wanting the government 'to handle it' for the sheeple.

Fat Panda · 04-17-2013, 10:07 AM

i opened a business bank account for my deleware llc with:

irs ein
certificate of good standing
certified copy of certificate of incorporation

NO PERSONAL ID

Dirty F · 04-17-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

Precisely and its about time we stop complying with bull shit rules not LAWS by middle men and pseudo bankers....we run this industry but the bankers do not want you to realize who has the power.

Wouldn't you think it would be prudent for the collectors and processors of our funds to provide us merchants with their identifications, home address, pass ports,etc home phone numbers.....before they can be allowed the priviledge of collecting our funds for us.

Personally I think the middle men and pseudo bankers are the ones who need to be transparent and not us honest hard working movers and shakers of the adult industry

But there is not enough of us who understand how this works at the highest levels to wake up the other idiots in our industry.

We praise morons and trolls on this board and not the ones who think outside the box and promote sound ideas. Ultimately the middle men and their system of electronic credit is not going to last...

when the dust settles there will still be merchants and customers and how will we transact with them will be up to us not cheeesy rat skillless parasitical middle men leeches who continue to pass excuses while holding monies

Hello psycho cunt. Any new ccbill conspiracies we should be aware of?

mamaliga · 04-17-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Just received this from Verotel:

Now they want notorizied copies of my passport?! What for? So you can provide my info to identity thieves?

All I can say is - WHAT THE FUCK?!!

Verotel - you can kiss my ass.

After SIX years of doing business with you - we're finished.

Go fuck yourselves.

are you locate in EU ?

helterskelter808 · 04-17-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

You are comparing a consumer to a guy that is trying to run a business. The guy that owns McDonald's, yes, he will be providing his drivers license and bank records in order to process credit cards of the consumer.

My point was simply that not wanting to hand over your passport to unknown people to be copied by them is not indicative of being a criminal, weirdo or hiding something.

WarChild · 04-17-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

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Personally I think the middle men and pseudo bankers are the ones who need to be transparent and not us honest hard working movers and shakers of the adult industry
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You've already told us you make 1-2 sales a day. Mover and shaker?

WarChild · 04-17-2013, 03:00 PM

Duplicate post.

tony286 · 04-17-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

According to their website, they charge 15%. So 15% of ?100 a week is about $19 a week, multiply that by 52 weeks a year and that's not even $1000. Take out the actual costs of running that card and add the various labor that is required to run that business, they are probably not making any money on that account. In fact, they are most likely losing money due to the wasted resources.

Is anyone in this thread running their business at a loss? My guess would be no, or at least a hopeful no. Not sure why anyone would expect another company to run their business at a loss. I would move away from doing business with anyone that I know is running at a loss, they could shut down any day and I could lose whatever I have invested with them.

Im was talking about for KYC. KYC is for the movement of money. I dont think $100 a week was what they had in mind.

SilentKnight · 04-17-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Maybe we need to require they do the same. I never know who I am sending info to so maybe they should have to divulge the same info of who will be handling ours. So when it gets sold, we have a place to start..

A co-worker I was talking to at work earlier in the day suggested the exact same thing.

Tit for tat.

Vendzilla · 04-17-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Im was talking about for KYC. KYC is for the movement of money. I dont think $100 a week was what they had in mind.

Yeah, but they can't make the rules for only those that make more than $9000 a week can they?

Then again, I'm sure the people that want around it get around it

tony286 · 04-17-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah, but they can't make the rules for only those that make more than $9000 a week can they?

Then again, I'm sure the people that want around it get around it

Actually I think it is , that's how Eliot Spitzer got popped. he was wiring thousands of dollars to that escort agency. And they became aware thru KYC.

247mg · 04-17-2013, 09:36 PM

We already supplied attested copy of passort and statement. Whats the issue...

directfiesta · 04-18-2013, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

What the fuck are you talking about, hiding?

Company Name
Owner's Name
SS Number
Company Address
Tax ID Number
Bank Name
Bank Account Number
Bank Address
2257 Address
Etc, etc...

Explain how a photo ID adds to this?

Why is everyone so eager and willing to bend over and take it?

Strange how they think.

A background check to open a merchant account will do nothing for fraud, as we know that law abiding citizens do not commit fraud, only criminals do and they will not submit to it .

femdomdestiny · 04-18-2013, 05:58 AM

All people that went from verotel to ccbill compained about low conversions and they are mostly sorry for doing it.

tony286 · 04-18-2013, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

All people that went from verotel to ccbill complained about low conversions and they are mostly sorry for doing it.

We have had Verotel as secondary for a long time. It was nothing to write home bout.

AmeliaG · 04-18-2013, 01:46 PM

Hey, SilentKnight, please drop me a line at spookycash [at] gothicsluts.com

I might misremember, but, as I recall you had some interesting sites. If they can pass either CCBill or Epoch compliance, I might be able to help

Kenny B! · 04-18-2013, 02:08 PM

Perhaps I'm in the minority but as a client of a few of the 3rd party billing companies, verotel included, I'm happy they ask for all this info and actually know their clients. Makes me feel safer processing through them, just seems logical to me

As for charging a fee (that verotel has to pay) if the client doesn't process 100euros a week, I can't really blame them. I wish all billing companies waived the mc fee for those who processes the equivalent of 100 euros a week or more.

That said props to Segpay for getting into MC compliance way in advance and saving ALL clients the fee this year

SilentKnight · 04-18-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Hey, SilentKnight, please drop me a line at spookycash [at] gothicsluts.com

I might misremember, but, as I recall you had some interesting sites. If they can pass either CCBill or Epoch compliance, I might be able to help

Email sent.

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