Obama on Senate gun vote: 'A shameful day' - GoFuckYourself.com

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 07:26 PM

Gun nuts WANT felons and crazies to have guns. 90% of Americans, and the majority of gun owners, want universal background checks. The GOP doesn't care.

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Obama said the background-checks proposal did not include everything he wanted, but it represented "progress," "moderation" and "common sense." He chided the National Rifle Association (NRA) and its allies for falsely claiming it would create a "Big Brother"-type gun registry, even though the legislation would specifically outlaw such a thing.

"Instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill," Obama said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...enate/2090105/

Sly · 04-17-2013, 07:32 PM

Tell your 90% to vote their official out of office. Problem solved.

Wait… What's that… You made up 90%? You aren't telling the… Truth? Say it isn't so!?!?

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Tell your 90% to vote their official out of office. Problem solved.

Wait? What's that? You made up 90%? You aren't telling the? Truth? Say it isn't so!?!?

Um, fuck off.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2...tion_10030.xml

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...ground-checks/

Sly · 04-17-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Um, fuck off.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2...tion_10030.xml

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...ground-checks/

LOL.

Polls.

Get them to vote.

Minte · 04-17-2013, 07:39 PM

Watching him and Biden on the news tonight..with their pouty faces was great comedy.

Rochard · 04-17-2013, 07:39 PM

Our government is so stupid sometimes...

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Watching him and Biden on the news tonight..with their pouty faces was great comedy.

What's so funny about it?

Minte · 04-17-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

What's so funny about it?

You're a smart fellow...you figure it out.

Helix · 04-17-2013, 07:52 PM

lolz at your lame 90% spin.

L-Pink · 04-17-2013, 07:53 PM

Anti gun asshole

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Our government is so stupid sometimes...

Sure is. Especially Harry fucking Reid, who HAD the chance to do something about filibuster abuse, and instead put his thumb in his ass.

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Helix

lolz at your lame 90% spin.

Spin?

Can gun nuts read?

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(Reuters) - More than 90 percent of U.S. voters supported background checks for all gun buyers, while much smaller majorities were for stricter gun control laws such as bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, said a poll released on Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9160LW20130207

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Anti gun asshole

You want known felons and the mentally ill to be able to freely purchase guns...and I'M and asshole?

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You're a smart fellow...you figure it out.

Your answers are mostly dodges, I've found.

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

LOL.

Polls.

Get them to vote.

Whatever that means.

L-Pink · 04-17-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

You want known felons and the mentally ill to be able to freely purchase guns...and I'M and asshole?

Because of my pro gun beliefs you automatically label me as a nut, redneck, etc. ?.. What is a good counter to someone with your beliefs? Anti-gun pussy, asshole, etc ?.. Tell me anti-gun pussy?

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GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Because of my pro gun beliefs you automatically label me as a nut, redneck, etc. ?.. What is a good counter to someone with your beliefs? Anti-gun pussy, asshole, etc ?.. Tell me anti-gun pussy?

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You're a pussy, because you're dodging my question, pussy boy.

Why do you want known felons and the mentally ill to be able to freely buy guns?

(And if you really do want that, then yeah, you're a raving gun nut.)

L-Pink · 04-17-2013, 08:11 PM

Why the hate towards those with opinions that differ from your own? Why the constant personal attacks on those with different opinions from your own?

Sounds like you have violent/hate issues and wouldn't pass a background check anyway.

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TheFootMan5 · 04-17-2013, 08:12 PM

Criminals aren't going to obey the law anyways

The government has all the guns in the world

What the hell are these dumb, stupid useless laws going to do???

sarettah · 04-17-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Tell your 90% to vote their official out of office. Problem solved.

Wait? What's that? You made up 90%? You aren't telling the? Truth? Say it isn't so!?!?

I have it from excellent sources that 98.734% of all statistics quoted on the internet are made up on the spot

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L-Pink · 04-17-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFootMan5

Criminals aren't going to obey the law anyways

The government has all the guns in the world

What the hell are these dumb, stupid useless laws going to do???

Just posturing.

(welcome back!)

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GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why the hate towards those with opinions that differ from your own? Why the constant personal attacks on those with different opinions from your own?

Sounds like you have violent/hate issues and wouldn't pass a background check anyway.

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Oh for fuck sake. You still didn't answer the question!

And I don't hate, I'm ANGRY. I'm sick of massacres happening while we have a government so beholden to a lobbying organization that even the most common sense laws can't be enacted. And I get shit from people who can't even explain their own positions! Like you!

TheFootMan5 · 04-17-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Oh for fuck sake. You still didn't answer the question!

And I don't hate, I'm ANGRY. I'm sick of massacres happening while we have a government so beholden to a lobbying organization that even the most common sense laws can't be enacted. And I get shit from people who can't even explain their own positions! Like you!

A few people dying is not a massacre

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

I have it from excellent sources that 98.734% of all statistics quoted on the internet are made up on the spot

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Well, not this one. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9160LW20130207

L-Pink · 04-17-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

So just because my opinion differs from your own I'm automatically guilty of all the dumbass things listed above? Talk about crucifying, labeling, and stereotyping people for not agreeing with your way of thinking. Who's the nut here?

Are you always this way when you don't get your way? When people don't agree with you?

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GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFootMan5

A few people dying is not a massacre

See why I get angry? Thick as shit.

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

So just because my opinion differs from your own I'm automatically guilty of all the dumbass things listed above? Talk about crucifying, labeling, and stereotyping people for not agreeing with your way of thinking. Who's the nut here?

Are you always this way when you don't get your way? When people don't agree with you?

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Did I say you were "automatically guilty of all those dumbass things"? Nope. Why did you take a jpeg personally?

2012 · 04-17-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Watching him and Biden on the news tonight..with their pouty faces was great comedy.

save the children !

GrantMercury · 04-17-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFootMan5

Criminals aren't going to obey the law anyways

The government has all the guns in the world

What the hell are these dumb, stupid useless laws going to do???

Maybe you're right. Why don't we make murder legal? After all, a murderer won't care about some dumb law. All it does is keep all the law abiding folks from strangling their ex-wives.

On a more mundane level, those speed limits and traffic signs are dumb, too, I suppose. A speed limit won't stop a speeder from speeding, right? And red lights? Assholes run those every day! All they do is hold up the rest of us.

I'm done with laws...

mikesouth · 04-17-2013, 08:53 PM

So if 90% of Americans want to put Obama's ass in a field picking cotton that should be ok right?

e have this thing called a Constitution that protects the minority rights, even if 99% want to do something. If you want to repeal the Second Amendment there is a mechanism in place for doing so

read the rest on
http://www.mikesouth.com

Helix · 04-17-2013, 08:53 PM

Holy cow Grant...step away, give it a break. Breathe man!
Every day the media lies and covers POTUS ass...but my life goes on. So, today Obama got shut down on gun control. Big deal. Tomorrow is another day, perhaps they will finally defund the backbreaking "Affordable Care Act". You gotta have hope and change. Hang in there ;)

Minte · 04-18-2013, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantMercury

Your answers are mostly dodges, I've found.

Your questions are mostly inflammatory.

I've got a few minutes before the morning staff meeting so I will answer.

What was funny..
Obama and Biden pouting like a couple of babies, while Obama goes on and on about what 90% of the people want. He ran right over the fact that he couldn't persuade HIS team to vote 100% for it..

How many democrats would it have taken to pass that bill..or any bill for that matter?

And to be clear. They should've passed the bill in my opinion. It was a no brainer.
Buying guns online from what I understand is way to easy. There was a gun store in Milwaukee that was responsible for selling guns that were involved in several mass shootings. The state and the city finally closed them down, but the feds never lifted a finger.

bronco67 · 04-18-2013, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Our government is so stupid sometimes...

The senate is bad...but Congress are the most useless sacks of shit to ever hold office.

Lobbying needs to be stopped. If every government official is bought and paid for by big business, how can they govern properly and justly?

http://insiderlouisville.com/news/20...r-of-congress/

bronco67 · 04-18-2013, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why the hate towards those with opinions that differ from your own? Why the constant personal attacks on those with different opinions from your own?

Sounds like you have violent/hate issues and wouldn't pass a background check anyway.

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So you like guns...and I like guns too. But wouldn't you agree its a good idea for people selling firearms to each other through private sales and guns shows to pass some kind of check to assure they're not a criminal or deranged nut?

I don't know what your stance is, but favoring nothing to be done is an indefensible position.

tony286 · 04-18-2013, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Why the hate towards those with opinions that differ from your own? Why the constant personal attacks on those with different opinions from your own?

Sounds like you have violent/hate issues and wouldn't pass a background check anyway.

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You have a problem with universal background checks? Its not anti gun its pro-common sense.

tony286 · 04-18-2013, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

So you like guns...and I like guns too. But wouldn't you agree its a good idea for people selling firearms to each other through private sales and guns shows to pass some kind of check to assure they're not a criminal or deranged nut?

I don't know what your stance is, but favoring nothing to be done is an indefensible position.

Thank you, people seem to forget all guns start as legal. Illegal guns just dont fall from the sky.

SmutHammer · 04-18-2013, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Thank you, people seem to forget all guns start as legal. Illegal guns just dont fall from the sky.

This is why the focus shouldn't be on adding new laws. They should be enforcing current laws and throwing the book at those who have illegal fire arms.

ThunderBalls · 04-18-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Watching him and Biden on the news tonight..with their pouty faces was great comedy.

You're a pathetic piece of shit, you know that?

SuckOnThis · 04-18-2013, 08:50 AM

Sly · 04-18-2013, 08:59 AM

Grant you do seem to have a lot of hate inside you. All of your threads are full of explicative's and anger.

I hope you are using this as an outlet. If you truly are this angry all the time, you really need to find a hobby away from the news and the Internet. It's very bad for your heart, your mind, and those around you.

You are the kind of person I'm afraid of, not "gun nuts." You have a very difficult time accepting opinions other than your own, people with that issue are very unstable and unpredictable.

sperbonzo · 04-18-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Automatic weapons? Really?

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sperbonzo · 04-18-2013, 09:02 AM

Obama Responds to His Gun Control Defeat With Self-Righteous Solipsism

Jacob Sullum|Apr. 17, 2013 8:05 pm

White HouseWhite House"There are good people on both sides of this thing," President Obama said in a gun control speech a couple of weeks ago, "but we have to be able to put ourselves in the other person's shoes." He worried that "both sides of the debate sometimes don't listen to each other" and wondered, "How do you build trust?" Not this way:

"There were no coherent arguments as to why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics—the worry that that vocal minority of gun owners would come after them in future elections....They caved to pressure, and they started looking for an excuse—any excuse—to vote no....This was a pretty shameful day for Washington."

That is how Obama explained the Senate's refusal to approve the gun control measures he supports. According to the president, no one honestly questioned the merits of his proposals; the opposition all "came down to politics," meaning a desperate desire to retain power. His opponents not only failed to make a convincing case, he says; they offered "no coherent arguments" at all. Since Obama's case for gun control consisted mainly of invoking dead children and grieving parents, that charge displays an astonishing lack of self-awareness. Here is how Obama responds to critics, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who fault him for using victims of gun violence as props:

"Are they serious? Do we really think that thousands of families whose lives have been shattered by gun violence don't have a right to weigh in on this issue? Do we think their emotions, their loss, is not relevant to this debate?"

Of course they have a right to speak their minds. But no, their emotions are not relevant when it comes to empirical questions such as the impact of background checks, "assault weapon" bans, and limits on magazines. Their pain tells us nothing about the effectiveness or constitutionality of such measures. To the contrary, it obscures those issues with an impenetrable emotional fog.

Obama does a fine job of empathizing with the parents of Adam Lanza's victims. But that is something any decent human being should be able to manage. Where he has trouble, despite his lip service to the idea of putting himself in the other guy's shoes, is in empathizing with his opponents. He not only says they are wrong, which is to be expected. He refuses to concede that people who disagree with him about gun control are acting in good faith, based on what they believe to be sound reasons—that they, like him, are doing what they think is right. His self-righteous solipsism is striking even for a politician."

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AaronM · 04-18-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Buying guns online from what I understand is way to easy.

Online gun stores are required to follow the same Federal regulations as brick and mortar stores. When you buy a gun online, it is shipped to your local gun shop. You then go in, do the paperwork and background check before taking possession of the gun.

Yes, there are private online sales but they require a face to face transaction which then removes the "online" portion as that was just where the buyer and seller met. Unless the seller ships directly to the private purchaser which is against the law.

L-Pink · 04-18-2013, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

So you like guns...and I like guns too. But wouldn't you agree its a good idea for people selling firearms to each other through private sales and guns shows to pass some kind of check to assure they're not a criminal or deranged nut?

I don't know what your stance is, but favoring nothing to be done is an indefensible position.

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Originally Posted by tony286

You have a problem with universal background checks? Its not anti gun its pro-common sense.

I have a problem with the across the board applied "gun nut, redneck, illiterate country bumpkin, etc" label being applied to anyone who owns and wants to keep their firearms.

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Minte · 04-18-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Online gun stores are required to follow the same Federal regulations as brick and mortar stores. When you buy a gun online, it is shipped to your local gun shop. You then go in, do the paperwork and background check before taking possession of the gun.

Yes, there are private online sales but they require a face to face transaction which then removes the "online" portion as that was just where the buyer and seller met. Unless the seller ships directly to the private purchaser which is against the law.

That's interesting. I didn't know how that works. The shooter from Virginia Tech bought his weapons from that place in Milwaukee. It was a big deal on the local news for quite a while. They made it sound like all you had to do was have a credit card and a package arrives at your home,like anything you would get from Amazon.

Thanks for clearing that up.

AaronM · 04-18-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

That's interesting. I didn't know how that works. The shooter from Virginia Tech bought his weapons from that place in Milwaukee. It was a big deal on the local news for quite a while. They made it sound like all you had to do was have a credit card and a package arrives at your home,like anything you would get from Amazon.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Not sure what that store may have been doing wrong for the local Government to close them down but no, it's nothing like an Amazon purchase.

Got any relevant links to the story on the store being shut down? I'd be interested in seeing what you've read that steered you in that direction.

L-Pink · 04-18-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Not sure what that store may have been doing wrong for the local Government to close them down but no, it's nothing like an Amazon purchase.

Got any relevant links to the story on the store being shut down? I'd be interested in seeing what you've read that steered you in that direction.

Aaron, the last 2 times I have purchased a gun from my local dealer my information was called into the FBI/ATF for approval. Both times my dealer said he would probably not hear back and to wait for the 3 day hold period to expire and he would sell me the guns based on a current drivers license.

He was correct, the government never responded and I was sold the guns anyway. Have you ever experienced this?

If this current system doesn't work for licensed dealers what chance does a system for private owners to private owners have except as a political feel good measure?

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Evil1 · 04-18-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Goddamn what am i looking at? is that a machine gun revolver that has been invented in there?

So much fail

AaronM · 04-18-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Aaron, the last 2 times I have purchased a gun from my local dealer my information was called into the FBI/ATF for approval. Both times my dealer said he would probably not hear back and to wait for the 3 day hold period to expire and he would sell me the guns based on a current drivers license.

He was correct, the government never responded and I was sold the guns anyway. Have you ever experienced this?

If this current system doesn't work for licensed dealers what chance does a system for private owners to private owners have except as a political feel good measure?

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Yes, I'm familiar with this. It's not the the system didn't work, it did. Here's what happened:

Something in the NICS check caught the attention of the person processing it. Whatever it was, it was not serious enough for them to deny the purchase. Had you been a convicted felon for instance, it would have been denied.

There are a number of things that could cause a hold. It can be a previous DUI, similar SSN to a felon, a change of address, typos, etc...

When you are placed on hold, the transaction is kicked up the chain of command at NICS for supervisor review. They then have 3 days to either deny or let it go through. The reason the shop owner told you they probably will not call back is because he knows that most holds go through. Typically the only time they receive a call back is on a denial after secondary review. It's not like it went into a hold pattern and was then ignored.

The "based on my current drivers license" part suggests that it could be an address thing. Is your current address on your DL or did you use a different addy on the 4473?

Then there's this:

Location: Florida/Kentucky

Dual residency can also send up a flag for further review.

If I were you, I'd do a little research and find out what is causing your recent hold ups. Usually it's something fairly minor that can be corrected.

L-Pink · 04-18-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

If I were you, I'd do a little research and find out what is causing your recent hold ups. Usually it's something fairly minor.

Multiple addresses in 2 different states?

And thanks.

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04-17-2013, 07:32 PM	#2
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,226	Tell your 90% to vote their official out of office. Problem solved. Wait… What's that… You made up 90%? You aren't telling the… Truth? Say it isn't so!?!? __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Fully Managed VPS, Daily Backups Included - Starting at $25. Contact for more info. Sell me your: Paysites and Hosting Company. Buy my: Aged Domains and Sites

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	So if 90% of Americans want to put Obama's ass in a field picking cotton that should be ok right? e have this thing called a Constitution that protects the minority rights, even if 99% want to do something. If you want to repeal the Second Amendment there is a mechanism in place for doing so read the rest on http://www.mikesouth.com __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	Why the hate towards those with opinions that differ from your own? Why the constant personal attacks on those with different opinions from your own? Sounds like you have violent/hate issues and wouldn't pass a background check anyway. .

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Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,226	Grant you do seem to have a lot of hate inside you. All of your threads are full of explicative's and anger. I hope you are using this as an outlet. If you truly are this angry all the time, you really need to find a hobby away from the news and the Internet. It's very bad for your heart, your mind, and those around you. You are the kind of person I'm afraid of, not "gun nuts." You have a very difficult time accepting opinions other than your own, people with that issue are very unstable and unpredictable. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Fully Managed VPS, Daily Backups Included - Starting at $25. Contact for more info. Sell me your: Paysites and Hosting Company. Buy my: Aged Domains and Sites

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sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,739	Obama Responds to His Gun Control Defeat With Self-Righteous Solipsism Jacob Sullum\|Apr. 17, 2013 8:05 pm White HouseWhite House"There are good people on both sides of this thing," President Obama said in a gun control speech a couple of weeks ago, "but we have to be able to put ourselves in the other person's shoes." He worried that "both sides of the debate sometimes don't listen to each other" and wondered, "How do you build trust?" Not this way: "There were no coherent arguments as to why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics—the worry that that vocal minority of gun owners would come after them in future elections....They caved to pressure, and they started looking for an excuse—any excuse—to vote no....This was a pretty shameful day for Washington." That is how Obama explained the Senate's refusal to approve the gun control measures he supports. According to the president, no one honestly questioned the merits of his proposals; the opposition all "came down to politics," meaning a desperate desire to retain power. His opponents not only failed to make a convincing case, he says; they offered "no coherent arguments" at all. Since Obama's case for gun control consisted mainly of invoking dead children and grieving parents, that charge displays an astonishing lack of self-awareness. Here is how Obama responds to critics, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who fault him for using victims of gun violence as props: "Are they serious? Do we really think that thousands of families whose lives have been shattered by gun violence don't have a right to weigh in on this issue? Do we think their emotions, their loss, is not relevant to this debate?" Of course they have a right to speak their minds. But no, their emotions are not relevant when it comes to empirical questions such as the impact of background checks, "assault weapon" bans, and limits on magazines. Their pain tells us nothing about the effectiveness or constitutionality of such measures. To the contrary, it obscures those issues with an impenetrable emotional fog. Obama does a fine job of empathizing with the parents of Adam Lanza's victims. But that is something any decent human being should be able to manage. Where he has trouble, despite his lip service to the idea of putting himself in the other guy's shoes, is in empathizing with his opponents. He not only says they are wrong, which is to be expected. He refuses to concede that people who disagree with him about gun control are acting in good faith, based on what they believe to be sound reasons—that they, like him, are doing what they think is right. His self-righteous solipsism is striking even for a politician." . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber Last edited by sperbonzo; 04-18-2013 at 09:03 AM..