For established sponsors, do you prefer pushing CCBill, NATS, Epoch, Zombaio or ? programs - GoFuckYourself.com

AmeliaG · 07-01-2013, 07:06 PM

For established sponsors, do you prefer pushing CCBill, NATS, Epoch, Zombaio or other billing system programs?

I know, for a new program from a new person, I tend to prefer CCBill i.e. if the sites have not been around long and/or I don't know who is behind it at all, I prefer CCBill.

But how do you feel for established programs from people you know?

Any special reasons for your preference?

Jel · 07-01-2013, 07:18 PM

nats - ability to track hits from urls that *don't* make sales is just as important as where sales do come from.

easy to set up campaigns

easy to see payment history/pending payments

just those off the top of my head at 3.22 am

nats is as good as ccbill is bad, from an affiliate POV

MainstreamGuy · 07-01-2013, 08:26 PM

All of them have PROs and CONs...

CCBILL (Rebills suck because sponsors can assign a member to someone else. Besides that they are solid)

NATS (Usually good, but sometimes I have seen sponsors manipulating stuff and some very strange signs that I don't like, usually related to signups)

MPA3 (A Complete joke, check the screenshot posted by user: signupdamnit. Well, I just checked again and he removed it from his signature. What's up signupdamnit? Why you removed it?)

ZOMBAIO (Only used them as secondary in some sponsors, ratio was usually good)

EPOCH (Same as Zombaio)

Others (Many others I have tried, but always as secondary or third processor)

Bye...

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CHMOD · 07-02-2013, 12:33 AM

I prefer CCBill -enhanced with Sliiing- programs. (Who wouldn't have guessed

)

- Numbers are not manipulable.
- You get all the sales/form hits/traffic stats that you need.
- Servers are lightning fast.

SGS · 07-02-2013, 12:49 AM

CCBill since 1998. We like to get paid.

MainstreamGuy · 07-02-2013, 01:07 AM

DirtyDanza, you voted MPA3?...

Did you check signupdamnit Screenshot ?

DVTimes · 07-02-2013, 01:32 AM

i like ccbill best

maximiweb · 07-02-2013, 01:36 AM

CCBill like

AmeliaG · 07-02-2013, 08:33 PM

Interesting that CCBill is leading right now, but NATS is not far behind. When SpookyCash added the Epoch option, I hoped a lot of affiliates would really like the MPA3 plug-in stats and such, but it seems affiliates still definitely prefer CCBill to Epoch.

Jel · 07-03-2013, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Interesting that CCBill is leading right now, but NATS is not far behind. When SpookyCash added the Epoch option, I hoped a lot of affiliates would really like the MPA3 plug-in stats and such, but it seems affiliates still definitely prefer CCBill to Epoch.

probably why most affiliates here complain sales suck. Everyone is stuck in 2005.

Qbert · 07-03-2013, 05:50 AM

The big advantage to CCBill is the aggregated payments, so no worries about meeting individual payout minimums. Epoch has similar, but just not enough programs to make it matter.

When you work niche only and promote dozens of sites, payout minimums are a significant consideration.

AmeliaG · 07-03-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Qbert

The big advantage to CCBill is the aggregated payments, so no worries about meeting individual payout minimums. Epoch has similar, but just not enough programs to make it matter.

When you work niche only and promote dozens of sites, payout minimums are a significant consideration.

As a primarily niche promoter myself, I definitely know what you mean. With CCBill, I know I'm going to make break immediately, so I feel free to test new sites out more.

Most of the Epoch programs I have promoted are defunct and, with NATS, I feel like I need to be sure the sites are really winners.

I think NATS with a lower payout threshold would be okay with me more often though. When a sponsor sets a threshold higher now than when things were great in this business, I feel like they are cash-strapped and just using their affiliates for no interest loans. If Kink, with sites I can sell, does a $50 payout threshold, I don't get why programs with less good sites would reasonably have a $250 one, ya know.

AmeliaG · 07-03-2013, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel

probably why most affiliates here complain sales suck. Everyone is stuck in 2005.

That is always a scary thing with innovating 'cause sometimes it is very possible to get in too early.

I only wish I were stuck in 2005, if that could come with 2005's easier revenues.

Look Chang · 07-04-2013, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

CCBill since 1998. We like to get paid.

+1

Oracle Porn · 07-04-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Interesting that CCBill is leading right now, but NATS is not far behind. When SpookyCash added the Epoch option, I hoped a lot of affiliates would really like the MPA3 plug-in stats and such, but it seems affiliates still definitely prefer CCBill to Epoch.

your epoch program was the only one I signed up to and it was confusing as fuck, I really got lost there.

AmeliaG · 07-04-2013, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

your epoch program was the only one I signed up to and it was confusing as fuck, I really got lost there.

Yeah, unfortunately for me, you and 6,000 other SpookyCash affiliates had pretty much the same reaction.

I considered NATS and MPA3 then because one thing that always bothered me about program aggregation, as a sponsor, is that I knew I had affiliates who were doing AWESOME with SpookyCash, but they did not notice because the sales were just part of their overall CCBill wire and the CCBill stats were hard to get to pre-StatsRemote and NiftyStats etc.

The MPA3 Epoch-powered referring stats really are pretty cool, but a lot of my favorite affiliates report better conversions with CCBill. Plus affiliates seem to like the lower payout threshold and aggregation with more sponsors. I know I do, as an affiliate.

I'm really glad we re-launched the CCBill option and I'd certainly do that whole thing over differently with 20/20 hindsight.

Klen · 07-04-2013, 08:24 AM

Amelia,i got a mail how i signup at epoch part of spookycash yet i never did that,i have account only on ccbill,why i was auto-signuped ?

signupdamnit · 07-04-2013, 08:38 AM

Nats is fine for established people who have been around for years and have never shown a tendency to be dishonest. If you've been here for years, have thousands of posts, are open about who you are, and don't have a history of being ethically challenged or constantly defending those who are then I wouldn't think twice about joining your Nats program. And you would be one who I would trust. Some others? CCBill or Verotel is preferred for sure.

I've only joined one Epoch AP and it was last one I joined. I made some sales but I found it to be a mess and I wasn't overly impressed or confident about it. It's clear they didn't put much effort into the affiliate side of things and that's a shame.

On MPA and Mansion Productions. They have deleted or had moved entire threads of mine at GFY and in all probability have had multiple image hosts delete an image I have posted simply because it shows they had a shave module built into their old MPA2 program almost a decade ago. The decade old shave functions don't bug me as much as the attitude of the owners and their apparent recent actions against me for mentioning it do.

I believe this is what Mainstreamguy is referring to. I put the screenshot of the mpa2 shaving function in my sig a couple months ago after this image http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2cebl3&s=5 was deleted on various image hosts multiple times. I removed the image from my sig after about a month. I've mostly moved on and only wanted to make a point that intimidating affiliates doesn't work.

Jel · 07-04-2013, 08:44 AM

Being unwilling to 'gamble' $50 or $100 on a non-ccbill sponsor and seeing if ratios/sales improve is something I just can't fathom.

Maybe I'm also a bit different from a lot of affiliates in regards to tools - 99% of the time I just need to know 2 things:
what is my linkcode
can I grab my own promo content, if not where is the aff promo content

Tbh I'm very surprised at the results of this poll - VERY surprised. It really does explain a whole lot of the 'no money in porn' posts though

AmeliaG · 07-04-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Amelia,i got a mail how i signup at epoch part of spookycash yet i never did that,i have account only on ccbill,why i was auto-signuped ?

Honestly, I apologize. It seemed like a good idea at the time. SpookyCash migrated with good intentions. Epoch seemed like a much better system. Affiliates still got paid for their traffic. I thought it would be an improvement, but, if I could change just one decision I've made for SpookyCash, I think I would do that Epoch migration over, keep CCBill unchanged, and offer an optional second affiliate tour via NATS.

All SpookyCash affiliates should have received about a zillion SpookyCash newsletters explaining it, but basically we migrated from CCBill to Epoch back in like 2007. People were always complaining about CCBill stats and such and Epoch had just implemented MPA3 with excellent referring stats, so it seemed like a good idea. Affiliates who were migrated still got credit for joins and the only difference was that they were paid out from Epoch, instead of CCBill.

The feedback I got from affiliates was that they preferred CCBill, so SpookyCash re-launched a CCBill option. This is why we run parallel affiliate tours, one for Epoch affiliates and one for CCBill affiliates.

If you have not signed up for the CCBill 2.0 SpookyCash program, you can still do so at http://www.spookycash.com and please feel welcome to hit me up at spookycash [at] gothicsluts.com with your promotional needs and hopefully I can do something extra for you.

If you don't mind my asking, what in particular do you dislike about Epoch?

Klen · 07-05-2013, 09:57 AM

I do like epoch,i actually want to see more programs in epoch,but the problem is what you did is to autosignup to epoch, which i kind a see as abuse of my personal data.Plus what i noticed is how it is used old e-mail address and not current one which i have it set in ccbill panel.So another problem with this,how i have now two epoch accounts,while i should have just one with all programs in it.
What you should do it instead,is to send a mail asking do we want epoch account along with ccbill one and then integrate to current one if we have one.
As i already got used to serious lack of quality organization in adult industry i wont care too much about this issue.So what it should be done is to transfer that created account to my main epoch account.Can you do that or i need to contact epoch support for it?

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Honestly, I apologize. It seemed like a good idea at the time. SpookyCash migrated with good intentions. Epoch seemed like a much better system. Affiliates still got paid for their traffic. I thought it would be an improvement, but, if I could change just one decision I've made for SpookyCash, I think I would do that Epoch migration over, keep CCBill unchanged, and offer an optional second affiliate tour via NATS.

All SpookyCash affiliates should have received about a zillion SpookyCash newsletters explaining it, but basically we migrated from CCBill to Epoch back in like 2007. People were always complaining about CCBill stats and such and Epoch had just implemented MPA3 with excellent referring stats, so it seemed like a good idea. Affiliates who were migrated still got credit for joins and the only difference was that they were paid out from Epoch, instead of CCBill.

The feedback I got from affiliates was that they preferred CCBill, so SpookyCash re-launched a CCBill option. This is why we run parallel affiliate tours, one for Epoch affiliates and one for CCBill affiliates.

If you have not signed up for the CCBill 2.0 SpookyCash program, you can still do so at http://www.spookycash.com and please feel welcome to hit me up at spookycash [at] gothicsluts.com with your promotional needs and hopefully I can do something extra for you.

If you don't mind my asking, what in particular do you dislike about Epoch?

Jel · 07-05-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I do like epoch,i actually want to see more programs in epoch

sorta hijack, but on topic to the quote - see sig mate if you have any lesbian traffic at all

LouiseLloyd · 07-05-2013, 10:06 AM

Misread as billing, voted epoch, meant ccbill.

Doh!

Google Expert · 07-05-2013, 10:29 AM

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Be advised that this is a public poll: other users can see the choice(s) you selected.

Poll fail.

AmeliaG · 07-05-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I do like epoch,i actually want to see more programs in epoch,but the problem is what you did is to autosignup to epoch, which i kind a see as abuse of my personal data.Plus what i noticed is how it is used old e-mail address and not current one which i have it set in ccbill panel.So another problem with this,how i have now two epoch accounts,while i should have just one with all programs in it.
What you should do it instead,is to send a mail asking do we want epoch account along with ccbill one and then integrate to current one if we have one.
As i already got used to serious lack of quality organization in adult industry i wont care too much about this issue.So what it should be done is to transfer that created account to my main epoch account.Can you do that or i need to contact epoch support for it?

Programs migrate from CCBill to NATS very often. How do you see migrating from CCBill to Epoch as different? Like I said, I'd make a different choice, if I could do it over, but I'd be interested in understanding why you feel an Epoch import is different from a NATS import.

SpookyCash was the 3rd account in the Epoch MPA3 system, so it seems like, if you preferred having them merged, the other Epoch programs probably would have been signed up for later. Keep in mind that this migration happened in 2007, so the Epoch import in 2007 was whatever your data was at CCBill in 2007 and SpookyCash has emailed affiliates with news, including all the info in this thread, many times in the past 6 years.

The sponsor can't make account changes for you in either CCBill or Epoch. You'd email support [at] epoch.com for any account changes there, although I recall I asked them to do that for other affiliates many years ago and, at the time anyway, they couldn't do that change.

View Poll Results: What system do you prefer powering affiliate programs you promote?
CCBill	17	60.71%
NATS	8	28.57%
Epoch	2	7.14%
MPA3	1	3.57%
Zombaio	0	0%
Other	0	0%
Voters: 28. You may not vote on this poll

07-01-2013, 07:06 PM	#1
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,417	For established sponsors, do you prefer pushing CCBill, NATS, Epoch, Zombaio or ? programs For established sponsors, do you prefer pushing CCBill, NATS, Epoch, Zombaio or other billing system programs? I know, for a new program from a new person, I tend to prefer CCBill i.e. if the sites have not been around long and/or I don't know who is behind it at all, I prefer CCBill. But how do you feel for established programs from people you know? Any special reasons for your preference? __________________ Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

07-01-2013, 08:26 PM	#3
MainstreamGuy So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 477	All of them have PROs and CONs... CCBILL (Rebills suck because sponsors can assign a member to someone else. Besides that they are solid) NATS (Usually good, but sometimes I have seen sponsors manipulating stuff and some very strange signs that I don't like, usually related to signups) MPA3 (A Complete joke, check the screenshot posted by user: signupdamnit. Well, I just checked again and he removed it from his signature. What's up signupdamnit? Why you removed it?) ZOMBAIO (Only used them as secondary in some sponsors, ratio was usually good) EPOCH (Same as Zombaio) Others (Many others I have tried, but always as secondary or third processor) Bye... . Last edited by MainstreamGuy; 07-01-2013 at 08:28 PM..

07-02-2013, 12:33 AM	#4
CHMOD Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,697	I prefer CCBill -enhanced with Sliiing- programs. (Who wouldn't have guessed ) - Numbers are not manipulable. - You get all the sales/form hits/traffic stats that you need. - Servers are lightning fast. __________________ Sell our Silicone Dolls and make big money! Our website: https://www.sexdolls-shop.com/ Signup: http://www.sexdollscash.com/sliiing/registration.php Contact: [email protected]

07-02-2013, 12:49 AM	#5
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	CCBill since 1998. We like to get paid. __________________ See sig...

07-01-2013, 07:18 PM	#2
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	nats - ability to track hits from urls that don't make sales is just as important as where sales do come from. easy to set up campaigns easy to see payment history/pending payments just those off the top of my head at 3.22 am nats is as good as ccbill is bad, from an affiliate POV

07-02-2013, 01:07 AM	#6
MainstreamGuy So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 477	DirtyDanza, you voted MPA3?... Did you check signupdamnit Screenshot ?

07-02-2013, 01:32 AM	#7
DVTimes Holedex.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,542	i like ccbill best __________________ My old and new pics I have shot

07-02-2013, 01:36 AM	#8
maximiweb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 833	CCBill like __________________

07-02-2013, 08:33 PM	#9
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,417	Interesting that CCBill is leading right now, but NATS is not far behind. When SpookyCash added the Epoch option, I hoped a lot of affiliates would really like the MPA3 plug-in stats and such, but it seems affiliates still definitely prefer CCBill to Epoch. __________________ Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

07-03-2013, 05:50 AM	#11
Qbert Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 813	The big advantage to CCBill is the aggregated payments, so no worries about meeting individual payout minimums. Epoch has similar, but just not enough programs to make it matter. When you work niche only and promote dozens of sites, payout minimums are a significant consideration.

07-04-2013, 08:24 AM	#17
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,234	Amelia,i got a mail how i signup at epoch part of spookycash yet i never did that,i have account only on ccbill,why i was auto-signuped ?

07-04-2013, 08:38 AM	#18
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	Nats is fine for established people who have been around for years and have never shown a tendency to be dishonest. If you've been here for years, have thousands of posts, are open about who you are, and don't have a history of being ethically challenged or constantly defending those who are then I wouldn't think twice about joining your Nats program. And you would be one who I would trust. Some others? CCBill or Verotel is preferred for sure. I've only joined one Epoch AP and it was last one I joined. I made some sales but I found it to be a mess and I wasn't overly impressed or confident about it. It's clear they didn't put much effort into the affiliate side of things and that's a shame. On MPA and Mansion Productions. They have deleted or had moved entire threads of mine at GFY and in all probability have had multiple image hosts delete an image I have posted simply because it shows they had a shave module built into their old MPA2 program almost a decade ago. The decade old shave functions don't bug me as much as the attitude of the owners and their apparent recent actions against me for mentioning it do. I believe this is what Mainstreamguy is referring to. I put the screenshot of the mpa2 shaving function in my sig a couple months ago after this image http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2cebl3&s=5 was deleted on various image hosts multiple times. I removed the image from my sig after about a month. I've mostly moved on and only wanted to make a point that intimidating affiliates doesn't work. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want. Last edited by signupdamnit; 07-04-2013 at 08:43 AM..

07-04-2013, 08:44 AM	#19
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	Being unwilling to 'gamble' $50 or $100 on a non-ccbill sponsor and seeing if ratios/sales improve is something I just can't fathom. Maybe I'm also a bit different from a lot of affiliates in regards to tools - 99% of the time I just need to know 2 things: what is my linkcode can I grab my own promo content, if not where is the aff promo content Tbh I'm very surprised at the results of this poll - VERY surprised. It really does explain a whole lot of the 'no money in porn' posts though

07-05-2013, 10:06 AM	#23
LouiseLloyd SO FUCKING SCAMMED Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK Posts: 1,351	Misread as billing, voted epoch, meant ccbill. Doh! __________________ Tube Theme • Paysite Theme • TikTok Theme