Will the facts about the Zimmerman case ever become common knowledge, or just the myths? - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 07-29-2013, 04:53 AM

When will the media actually put out truth about this.... ever?

http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/2...es-thanks-to-m

Zimmerman Backlash Continues Thanks to Media Misinformation
The media fails, again.

Cathy Young | July 27, 2013

More than a week after George Zimmerman?s acquittal in the fatal shooting of black teenager Trayvon Martin, the backlash against the verdict continues. President Obama spoke some undeniable truths when he noted that the African-American community?s intense reaction to the case must be seen in the context of a long, terrible history of racism. But there is another context too: that of an ideology-based, media-driven false narrative that has distorted a tragedy into a racist outrage.

This narrative has transformed Zimmerman, a man of racially mixed heritage that included white, Hispanic and black roots (a grandmother who helped raise him had an Afro-Peruvian father), into an honorary white male steeped in white privilege. It has cast him as a virulent racist even though he once had a black business partner, mentored African-American kids, lived in a neighborhood about 20 percent black, and participated in complaints about a white police lieutenant?s son getting away with beating a homeless black man.

This narrative has perpetuated the lie that Zimmerman?s history of calls to the police indicates obsessive racial paranoia. Thus, discussing the verdict on the PBS NewsHour, University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker contributor Jelani Cobb asserted that ?Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in previous six years, only for African-Americans, only for African-American men.? Actually, prior to the call about Martin, only four of Zimmerman?s calls had to do with African-American men or teenage boys (and two of them were about individuals who Zimmerman thought matched the specific description of burglary suspects). Five involved complaints about whites, and one about two Hispanics and a white male; others were about such issues as a fire alarm going off, a reckless driver of unknown race, or an aggressive dog.

In this narrative, even Zimmerman?s concern for a black child?a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, ?compl[ainant] concerned for well-being??has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as ?an edgy basket case? who called 911 about ?the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.? This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org.

Accounts of the incident itself have also been wrapped in false narrative?including such egregious distortions as NBC?s edited audio of Zimmerman?s 911 call which made him appear to say that Martin was ?up to no good? because ?he looks black.? (In fact, Zimmerman explained that Martin was ?walking around and looking about? in the rain, and mentioned his race?of which he initially seemed unsure?only in response to the dispatcher?s question.)

While this falsehood was retracted and cost several NBC employees their jobs, other fake facts still circulate unchecked: most notably, that Zimmerman disobeyed police orders not to follow Martin (or even, as Cobb and another guest asserted on the NewsHour, not to get out of his car). In fact, there was no such order. The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following the teenager; Zimmerman said yes, the dispatcher said, ?We don?t need you to do that,? and Zimmerman replied, ?Okay.? (Just before this, the dispatcher had made comments that could be construed as asking him to watch Martin, such as, ?Just let us know if he does anything else.?)

No one except Zimmerman knows whether he continued to track Martin?or, as he claims, headed back to his truck only to have Martin confront him. No one but Zimmerman knows who initiated physical violence. Both eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence, including injuries to Zimmerman?s face and the back of his head, supported his claim that he was being battered when he fired the gun. It was certainly enough to create reasonable doubt. Yet accounts that deplore the verdict often completely fail to mention Zimmerman?s injuries. Thus, Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson says only that an unarmed ?skinny boy? could not have been a serious threat to ?a healthy adult man who outweighs him by 50 pounds??nearly doubling the actual 27-pound difference between Martin and Zimmerman and omitting the fact that Martin was four inches taller.

The false narrative also makes it axiomatic that a black man in Zimmerman?s shoes wouldn?t stand a chance?especially if he had shot someone white. Never mind examples to the contrary, such as a 2009 case in Rochester, New York in which a black man, Roderick Scott, shot and killed an unarmed white teenager and was acquitted. Scott, who had caught 17-year-old Christopher Cervini and two other boys breaking into a car, said that the boy charged him and he feared for his life. (While the analogy has been decried as false in a number of Internet discussions because Scott actually saw Cervini doing something illegal, this is irrelevant to the self-defense claim: stealing from a car does not call for execution.)

What about general patterns? In the New Republic article, Ford cites a report in the Tampa Bay Times showing that ?stand your ground? self-defense claims in Florida are more successful for defendants who kill a black person (73 percent face no penalty, compared to 59 percent of those who kill a white person). But he leaves out a salient detail: since most homicides involve people of the same race, this also means more black defendants go free. Nor does he mention that another article based on the same study of ?stand your ground? cases from 2005 to 2010 noted ?no obvious bias? in the treatment of black defendants?or mixed-race homicides: ?Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.?

One Florida case has been widely cited as a contrast to the Zimmerman verdict and a shocking injustice: the case of Marissa Alexander, a black woman said to be serving twenty years in prison for a warning shot to scare off her violent estranged husband. But that?s not quite what happened. Alexander?s ?stand your ground? claim was rejected because, after the altercation with ex-husband Rico Gray, she went to the garage, returned with a gun and fired a shot that Gray said narrowly missed his head (a claim backed by forensics). There is plenty of evidence that Gray was abusive, but Alexander was not the complete innocent her champions make her out to be: she also assaulted Gray, giving him a black eye, while out on bail for the shooting and under court orders to stay away from him. Her twenty-year sentence, required by a mandatory minimum for firearm offenses, was a travesty; her conviction was not.

Liberals and disenchanted conservatives who decry fact-free ideological narratives, true-believer hysteria and willful reality-denial on the right should take a good look at the left?s Zimmerman Derangement Syndrome. Some far-right blogs have trafficked in bad information of their own, using Martin?s marijuana use, past fighting, and teenage social-media bluster to portray him as a thug and even spinning bizarre theories about his possible drug dealing the night of his death. Yet this instance, their misdeeds are dwarfed by far more mainstream liberal ?faux news? (meticulously documented on a dissenting left-of-center blog, The Daily Howler). As a fiction, Zimmerman the white supremacist rivals Obama the Kenyan-born commie Muslim.

Obama was right when he said that the racial context?the context of a history in which just sixty years ago blacks really could be murdered at will for giving trivial offense to a white person, and of a present in which young black males still face the daily reality of racial profiling?gave Trayvon Martin?s death a powerful and painful resonance for black Americans. That made it all the more incumbent on the media to be scrupulously truthful and responsible in their coverage. At this, they have spectacularly failed, with deplorable consequences.

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ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 04:54 AM

I will read this in a couple hours...

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 05:13 AM

the simple fact is this case has zero importance.

the big fact is this is media generated, congrats, you bought in.

ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the big fact is this is media generated, congrats, you bought in.

Why do you have to be such a "Negative Creep" about it?

Lollington, remember that Nirvana song?

Markul · 07-29-2013, 05:16 AM

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

Why do you have to be such a "Negative Creep" about it?

Lollington, remember that Nirvana song?

lol, why you got to play save a ho here? yo have a crush on the op?
not enough zimmerman threads for you?

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 05:32 AM

also-
feel free to let us all know how a comment stating the fact that the zimmerman fiasco was entirely media generated and the op is perpetuating that, after it's all pretty much dropped off the news cycle, is negative creeping.

ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

also-
feel free to let us all know how a comment stating the fact that the zimmerman fiasco was entirely media generated and the op is perpetuating that, after it's all pretty much dropped off the news cycle, is negative creeping.

I will comment later, but for now, dyno mo, i would appreciate you getting involved in the MOST SERIOUS thread currently on gfy (even more serious than the manwin mikesouth thread!):

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1116749

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

I will comment later, but for now, dyno mo, i would appreciate you getting involved in the MOST SERIOUS thread currently on gfy (even more serious than the manwin mikesouth thread!):

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1116749

speaking of a neg creep eh.

you're a funny guy. not funny haha.

CT-Content · 07-29-2013, 05:40 AM

ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

speaking of a neg creep eh.

you're a funny guy. not funny haha.

Not AT ALL trying to be funny with this topic.

I do like comedy though in other threads and other facets of life!

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

Not AT ALL trying to be funny with this topic.

I do like comedy though in other threads and other facets of life!

of course you are not trying to be funny.

it is *funny* to me that you would quote my comment as negative creep(still waiting for you to sort that out for us) while you are starting and bumping several of your own threads that neg creep

then you try to recruit me from this thread to go post in there.

that's funny.

ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

of course you are not trying to be funny.

it is *funny* to me that you would quote my comment as negative creep(still waiting for you to sort that out for us) while you are starting and bumping several of your own threads that neg creep

then you try to recruit me from this thread to go post in there.

that's funny.

Dude, jeeesus, I AM SORRY ABOUT THE NEGATIVE CREEP COMMENT. Obviously, I was more just trying to make a joke tying in that nirvana song, which happened to be playing on my pandora recently so I guess it is in my subconscious.

WarChild · 07-29-2013, 07:34 AM

NO LIMIT NIGGA was wrong on at least one account. It would appear that 9mm was just about his limit.

ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

NO LIMIT NIGGA was wrong on at least one account. It would appear that 9mm was just about his limit.

Warchild, why are you always such a dick?

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango

Dude, jeeesus, I AM SORRY ABOUT THE NEGATIVE CREEP COMMENT. Obviously, I was more just trying to make a joke tying in that nirvana song, which happened to be playing on my pandora recently so I guess it is in my subconscious.

that's what i thought too, so i was messing with you back, then you said you were not trying to be funny, so it's understandable i would not be clear on where you are coming from.

ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's what i thought too, so i was messing with you back, then you said you were not trying to be funny, so it's understandable i would not be clear on where you are coming from.

OK good. Now that we are on the same page, I WAS being serious about you getting involved in the Damian thread:
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1116749

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 07:54 AM

yeah, that sort of thing doesn't grab me. the personal stuff i tend to stay away from.

Tom_PM · 07-29-2013, 07:56 AM

Shouldn't we move on to the case in New Orleans over the weekend where a black kid was shot by a homeowner who caught him in his fenced yard at night?

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/..._shooting.html

Maybe this is old news by now.

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Shouldn't we move on to the case in New Orleans over the weekend where a black kid was shot by a homeowner who caught him in his fenced yard at night?

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/..._shooting.html

Maybe this is old news by now.

we're waiting for the media to tell us to.

ReggieDurango · 07-29-2013, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

yeah, that sort of thing doesn't grab me. the personal stuff i tend to stay away from.

It's not "personal"

it is LITERALLY a case of life and death... Damian's life!

TheSquealer · 07-29-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

we're waiting for the media to tell us to.

Another case of a known burglar who is 100% "innocent" while doing something that looks a lot like burglary.

"Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests"

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Another case of a known burglar who is 100% "innocent" while doing something that looks a lot like burglary.

"Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests"

potential fodder for another 25+ page squealer thread!

TheSquealer · 07-29-2013, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

potential fodder for another 25+ page squealer thread!

Would be nice to see people start discussing the actual problems, rather than symptoms of problems.

Call me a "factivist"

pornguy · 07-29-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

I have been looking at this for 45 min. Great tits but cant quite focus on the text.

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Would be nice to see people start discussing the actual problems, rather than symptoms of problems.

Call me a "factivist"

to me the fact is very clear, debating whether or not there is racism perpetuates racism. many comments in your thread showed that to me. if the debate never happened the racism events/threads recently here would never have happened either. the media fabricated/sensationalized a racist event when there wasn't one, then the debate on racism actually did create a racist events, slurs, threats, bannings, etc. et al, on&on. it was pretty bizarre to watch from outside the debate raging on.

TheSquealer · 07-29-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

to me the fact is very clear, debating whether or not there is racism perpetuates racism. many comments in your thread showed that to me. if the debate never happened the racism events/threads recently here would never have happened either. the media fabricated/sensationalized a racist event when there wasn't one, then the debate on racism actually did create a racist events, slurs, threats, bannings, etc. et al, on&on. it was pretty bizarre to watch from outside the debate raging on.

I agree... the continual discussion of racism itself is the biggest part of the problem. It's like being on a sports team and being cut because you run a 6:00 minute mile and not a 5:35 mile and then the conversation turns into all kinds of shit that has nothing to do with improving your mile time.

The second you ask a meaningful question like "why are 95% of blacks killed by other blacks".. you get labeled an asshole and a racist. Thats why i really don't care about other people. I care about people that try (no matter what their color/religion etc). I have no respect for those that don't suck it up and put in the work... or take personal responsiblity.

tony286 · 07-29-2013, 08:22 AM

GZ weighed 195 to 200 lbs and Tm weight 158 at the autopsy. not 27 lbs. difference also GZ was 5'8" and tm 5'11" looks like your media misinformation article has misinformation.

brassmonkey · 07-29-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

if her breast made beer she would be perfect!

TheSquealer · 07-29-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

GZ weighed 195 to 200 lbs and Tm weight 158 at the autopsy. not 27 lbs. difference also GZ was 5'8" and tm 5'11" looks like your media misinformation article has misinformation.

Really? a body drained of blood of dehydrated weighed less? Crazy.

Tom_PM · 07-29-2013, 08:32 AM

Like I said to my friend who messaged me about that newer case.. it all depends on the laws there. In most ways it bears no resemblance to the GZ case, but in critical ones it's hardly different. In the end, they both came down to what the shooter thought or felt was about to happen if he didn't shoot. Is it possible that that is the real issue? Just asking questions here.

dyna mo · 07-29-2013, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Like I said to my friend who messaged me about that newer case.. it all depends on the laws there. In most ways it bears no resemblance to the GZ case, but in critical ones it's hardly different. In the end, they both came down to what the shooter thought or felt was about to happen if he didn't shoot. Is it possible that that is the real issue? Just asking questions here.

that certainly seems like a logical starting point. not unlike the black guy smoke shop owner who was setup by the informant in a video posted here, a local political figure in that town being interviewed about it is the one that made it into a race issue.

but, secondly, but let's say the guy in la is a racist. now what? let's blow that up into a race war via the media.

even if the guy is a racist it's a non-issue in the matter. it's not a conspiracy. generally speaking, the judicial system will sort it out the guilty based on the crime, regardless of if this guy has ss tatooed on his neck or not.

not saying your view is that, just expanding on how all of this is non-sensical.

07-29-2013, 04:53 AM	#1
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	Will the facts about the Zimmerman case ever become common knowledge, or just the myths? When will the media actually put out truth about this.... ever? http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/2...es-thanks-to-m Zimmerman Backlash Continues Thanks to Media Misinformation The media fails, again. Cathy Young \| July 27, 2013 More than a week after George Zimmerman?s acquittal in the fatal shooting of black teenager Trayvon Martin, the backlash against the verdict continues. President Obama spoke some undeniable truths when he noted that the African-American community?s intense reaction to the case must be seen in the context of a long, terrible history of racism. But there is another context too: that of an ideology-based, media-driven false narrative that has distorted a tragedy into a racist outrage. This narrative has transformed Zimmerman, a man of racially mixed heritage that included white, Hispanic and black roots (a grandmother who helped raise him had an Afro-Peruvian father), into an honorary white male steeped in white privilege. It has cast him as a virulent racist even though he once had a black business partner, mentored African-American kids, lived in a neighborhood about 20 percent black, and participated in complaints about a white police lieutenant?s son getting away with beating a homeless black man. This narrative has perpetuated the lie that Zimmerman?s history of calls to the police indicates obsessive racial paranoia. Thus, discussing the verdict on the PBS NewsHour, University of Connecticut professor and New Yorker contributor Jelani Cobb asserted that ?Zimmerman had called the police 46 times in previous six years, only for African-Americans, only for African-American men.? Actually, prior to the call about Martin, only four of Zimmerman?s calls had to do with African-American men or teenage boys (and two of them were about individuals who Zimmerman thought matched the specific description of burglary suspects). Five involved complaints about whites, and one about two Hispanics and a white male; others were about such issues as a fire alarm going off, a reckless driver of unknown race, or an aggressive dog. In this narrative, even Zimmerman?s concern for a black child?a 2011 call to report a young African-American boy walking unsupervised on a busy street, on which the police record notes, ?compl[ainant] concerned for well-being??has been twisted into crazed racism. Writing on the website of The New Republic, Stanford University law professor Richard Thompson Ford describes Zimmerman as ?an edgy basket case? who called 911 about ?the suspicious activities of a seven year old black boy.? This slander turns up in other left-of-center sources, such as ThinkProgress.org. Accounts of the incident itself have also been wrapped in false narrative?including such egregious distortions as NBC?s edited audio of Zimmerman?s 911 call which made him appear to say that Martin was ?up to no good? because ?he looks black.? (In fact, Zimmerman explained that Martin was ?walking around and looking about? in the rain, and mentioned his race?of which he initially seemed unsure?only in response to the dispatcher?s question.) While this falsehood was retracted and cost several NBC employees their jobs, other fake facts still circulate unchecked: most notably, that Zimmerman disobeyed police orders not to follow Martin (or even, as Cobb and another guest asserted on the NewsHour, not to get out of his car). In fact, there was no such order. The dispatcher asked if Zimmerman was following the teenager; Zimmerman said yes, the dispatcher said, ?We don?t need you to do that,? and Zimmerman replied, ?Okay.? (Just before this, the dispatcher had made comments that could be construed as asking him to watch Martin, such as, ?Just let us know if he does anything else.?) No one except Zimmerman knows whether he continued to track Martin?or, as he claims, headed back to his truck only to have Martin confront him. No one but Zimmerman knows who initiated physical violence. Both eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence, including injuries to Zimmerman?s face and the back of his head, supported his claim that he was being battered when he fired the gun. It was certainly enough to create reasonable doubt. Yet accounts that deplore the verdict often completely fail to mention Zimmerman?s injuries. Thus, Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson says only that an unarmed ?skinny boy? could not have been a serious threat to ?a healthy adult man who outweighs him by 50 pounds??nearly doubling the actual 27-pound difference between Martin and Zimmerman and omitting the fact that Martin was four inches taller. The false narrative also makes it axiomatic that a black man in Zimmerman?s shoes wouldn?t stand a chance?especially if he had shot someone white. Never mind examples to the contrary, such as a 2009 case in Rochester, New York in which a black man, Roderick Scott, shot and killed an unarmed white teenager and was acquitted. Scott, who had caught 17-year-old Christopher Cervini and two other boys breaking into a car, said that the boy charged him and he feared for his life. (While the analogy has been decried as false in a number of Internet discussions because Scott actually saw Cervini doing something illegal, this is irrelevant to the self-defense claim: stealing from a car does not call for execution.) What about general patterns? In the New Republic article, Ford cites a report in the Tampa Bay Times showing that ?stand your ground? self-defense claims in Florida are more successful for defendants who kill a black person (73 percent face no penalty, compared to 59 percent of those who kill a white person). But he leaves out a salient detail: since most homicides involve people of the same race, this also means more black defendants go free. Nor does he mention that another article based on the same study of ?stand your ground? cases from 2005 to 2010 noted ?no obvious bias? in the treatment of black defendants?or mixed-race homicides: ?Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.? One Florida case has been widely cited as a contrast to the Zimmerman verdict and a shocking injustice: the case of Marissa Alexander, a black woman said to be serving twenty years in prison for a warning shot to scare off her violent estranged husband. But that?s not quite what happened. Alexander?s ?stand your ground? claim was rejected because, after the altercation with ex-husband Rico Gray, she went to the garage, returned with a gun and fired a shot that Gray said narrowly missed his head (a claim backed by forensics). There is plenty of evidence that Gray was abusive, but Alexander was not the complete innocent her champions make her out to be: she also assaulted Gray, giving him a black eye, while out on bail for the shooting and under court orders to stay away from him. Her twenty-year sentence, required by a mandatory minimum for firearm offenses, was a travesty; her conviction was not. Liberals and disenchanted conservatives who decry fact-free ideological narratives, true-believer hysteria and willful reality-denial on the right should take a good look at the left?s Zimmerman Derangement Syndrome. Some far-right blogs have trafficked in bad information of their own, using Martin?s marijuana use, past fighting, and teenage social-media bluster to portray him as a thug and even spinning bizarre theories about his possible drug dealing the night of his death. Yet this instance, their misdeeds are dwarfed by far more mainstream liberal ?faux news? (meticulously documented on a dissenting left-of-center blog, The Daily Howler). As a fiction, Zimmerman the white supremacist rivals Obama the Kenyan-born commie Muslim. Obama was right when he said that the racial context?the context of a history in which just sixty years ago blacks really could be murdered at will for giving trivial offense to a white person, and of a present in which young black males still face the daily reality of racial profiling?gave Trayvon Martin?s death a powerful and painful resonance for black Americans. That made it all the more incumbent on the media to be scrupulously truthful and responsible in their coverage. At this, they have spectacularly failed, with deplorable consequences. . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

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WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	NO LIMIT NIGGA was wrong on at least one account. It would appear that 9mm was just about his limit. __________________ .

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Shouldn't we move on to the case in New Orleans over the weekend where a black kid was shot by a homeowner who caught him in his fenced yard at night? http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/..._shooting.html Maybe this is old news by now. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Like I said to my friend who messaged me about that newer case.. it all depends on the laws there. In most ways it bears no resemblance to the GZ case, but in critical ones it's hardly different. In the end, they both came down to what the shooter thought or felt was about to happen if he didn't shoot. Is it possible that that is the real issue? Just asking questions here. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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ReggieDurango Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,748	I will read this in a couple hours...

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,729	the simple fact is this case has zero importance. the big fact is this is media generated, congrats, you bought in.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,729	also- feel free to let us all know how a comment stating the fact that the zimmerman fiasco was entirely media generated and the op is perpetuating that, after it's all pretty much dropped off the news cycle, is negative creeping.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,729	yeah, that sort of thing doesn't grab me. the personal stuff i tend to stay away from.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	GZ weighed 195 to 200 lbs and Tm weight 158 at the autopsy. not 27 lbs. difference also GZ was 5'8" and tm 5'11" looks like your media misinformation article has misinformation.