It?s official. Research Reveals Poor people really are stupid.

[dyna mo]

Researchers have discovered that having money worries significantly impedes your cognitive abilities....Scientists found that poorer people faced with a large, unexpected bill perform significantly worse in cognitive IQ tests than they would otherwise have done without the financial worry hanging over them.

http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_new...udy-finds?lite

[suesheboy]

Change thread title to "becoming poor can make you stupid"

[_Richard_]

there is another study that was posted awhile back.. it was basically turning a classroom into 'superior/inferior' sections for a day, then switching them back..

apparently the days that the 'superior' side was given tests, they performed at a higher cognitive rate than the inferior, and vice versa.. the interesting thing is once the test was over, both sides would perform at the same 'high' level for the rest of the testing done for the year

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

Change thread title to "becoming poor can make you stupid"

why? fact is research has concluded poor people are stupid. i didn't make that up.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

there is another study that was posted awhile back.. it was basically turning a classroom into 'superior/inferior' sections for a day, then switching them back..

apparently the days that the 'superior' side was given tests, they performed at a higher cognitive rate than the inferior, and vice versa.. the interesting thing is once the test was over, both sides would perform at the same 'high' level for the rest of the testing done for the year

now see, that's an interesting study that could perhaps provide value in teaching, etc. i wonder if anything productive came from it.

[dyna mo]

here's the actual article where i c&p'ed the title topic-

http://www.bitterwallet.com/its-offi...+(BitterWallet)

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

now see, that's an interesting study that could perhaps provide value in teaching, etc. i wonder if anything productive came from it.

http://www.upworthy.com/watch-a-teac...e-2?g=3&c=ufb1

the teacher pushed this for years.. and did the test/study for years

this is the original class, you can see them bring that original class back, and there is also a tape floating around of the same teacher, teaching prison guards the same lesson.. fascinating stuff

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

http://www.upworthy.com/watch-a-teac...e-2?g=3&c=ufb1

the teacher pushed this for years.. and did the test/study for years

this is the original class, you can see them bring that original class back, and there is also a tape floating around of the same teacher, teaching prison guards the same lesson.. fascinating stuff

that prison guard angle completely reminded me of the original stanford psychology "research" study on prison guard mentality, it goes insanely wrong and the head researcher even gets sucked into the chaos!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that prison guard angle completely reminded me of the original stanford psychology "research" study on prison guard mentality, it goes insanely wrong and the head researcher even gets sucked into the chaos!

yea i was just waiting for it to blow wide open

[Robbie]

"Poor people are stupid"

I'm gonna file this one under "Obvious"
Politically incorrect...but pretty fucking obvious.

People who are smart tend to think BETTER under pressure. Whenever I am under financial pressure that's when I kick the most ass. And I'm betting that most of you do too.

There's a reason that some people are perpetually poor and never seem to be able to rise up.
We get a million excuses...but the bottom line is: there is a lot of opportunity in this country for those with the intelligence and the work ethic to seize it.

For everybody else? Keep begging the govt. for "help" (while they enslave you) and/or go on strike to try and get paid $15 an hour for flipping burgers.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Robbie

"Poor people are stupid"

I'm gonna file this one under "Obvious"
Politically incorrect...but pretty fucking obvious.

People who are smart tend to think BETTER under pressure. Whenever I am under financial pressure that's when I kick the most ass. And I'm betting that most of you do too.

There's a reason that some people are perpetually poor and never seem to be able to rise up.
We get a million excuses...but the bottom line is: there is a lot of opportunity in this country for those with the intelligence and the work ethic to seize it.

For everybody else? Keep begging the govt. for "help" (while they enslave you) and/or go on strike to try and get paid $15 an hour for flipping burgers.

..and the next time a war comes along, refuse, because that's the same attitude that is shown to you.

[Rochard]

Not all poor people are stupid, but most stupid people are poor. If you loose your job and don't work for 12 months, you become poor. But that doesn't mean you are stupid.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Not all poor people are stupid, but most stupid people are poor. If you loose your job and don't work for 12 months, you become poor. But that doesn't mean you are stupid.

Anybody can have a bad turn of luck...I'm talking about the CHRONICALLY and TERMINALLY poor.

They are pretty much stupid.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

..and the next time a war comes along, refuse, because that's the same attitude that is shown to you.

Richard...I don't even know what you are talking about. Sometimes I think you are drunk as hell when you post.

[kane]

After reading that article it seems like a better title might be, "Stress causes people to score lower on IQ tests."

The article itself said that the scores of those with money worries were the same as those who had missed a full night's sleep.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Richard...I don't even know what you are talking about. Sometimes I think you are drunk as hell when you post.

you're talking about entitlement

once you get into how the military operates, who benefits, and why, the 'entitlement' argument distinctly changes

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

After reading that article it seems like a better title might be, "Stress causes people to score lower on IQ tests."

The article itself said that the scores of those with money worries were the same as those who had missed a full night's sleep.

yes, for me, the article illustrates why i've thought for a while that psychological science is the most dangerous of all sciences. certainly, it's stress. but to base it on iq testing? that's laughable really. imo anything based on iq or, and even more importantly, the dsm is based on what others deem socially acceptable.

and then, and then! to make it worse, retards in the media can glob on to it and spin it like the thread title.

[CDSmith]

Poor people are, in general, less educated. That might contribute to the overall numbers when tallying stupidity. But I know some rich people who are highly educated yet very stupid in a lot of other ways. Conversely I know many people of far less means and less booksmarts who are very happy all things considered.

So the bigger question might be who is happier, rich people or poor people? Don't be so quick to jump at the answer, because it's not as obvious as it might seem.

[- Jesus Christ -]

Interesting documentary on stress and hierarchies.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eYG0ZuTv5rs

[JockoHomo]

Poor people might indeed be stupid but they have bigger cocks.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by JockoHomo

Poor people might indeed be stupid but they have bigger cocks.

CheckMate!

[epitome]

So the majority of GFY members are poor?

[oppoten]

The stupid people should just give up and become soldiers. Fight for the likes of Eldar Shafir.

[madeofmoney]

already knew this but thanks

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by epitome

So the majority of GFY members are poor?

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by epitome

So the majority of GFY members are poor?

Money is over rated

[CDSmith]

New research reveals: when shit becomes valuable the poor will be born without arseholes.

[The Porn Nerd]

I be a bidnessman.
I's poh.

[pornmasta]

if they are more stupid, they aren't responsible and so, you have to pay for them... :p

[Due]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

why? fact is research has concluded poor people are stupid. i didn't make that up.

where do you see that? The article you posted say they aren't. It's like you are debating with yourself. .. are you poor?

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Due

where do you see that? The article you posted say they aren't. It's like you are debating with yourself. .. are you poor?

Naw, just vying for the title of Spin Queen.

[XXXtrailers]

Originally Posted by epitome

So the majority of GFY members are poor?

the best

[Klen]

Well it does have sense,i am quite sure if i would'nt be worried with financial crap all the time i would be able to do much more things then i what i can do currently.

[CurrentlySober]

i kunta4d to be stupid...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

There's a reason that some people are perpetually poor and never seem to be able to rise up. We get a million excuses...but the bottom line is: there is a lot of opportunity in this country for those with the intelligence and the work ethic to seize it.

Originally Posted by Robbie

For everybody else? Keep begging the govt. for "help" (while they enslave you) and/or go on strike to try and get paid $15 an hour for flipping burgers.

[winter_]

the communist creed is have concern for your fellow man and not take more than you need.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Due

where do you see that? The article you posted say they aren't. It's like you are debating with yourself. .. are you poor?

you're joking right? you can't read the thread or you didn't red the thread? because

1. i posted a link showing the exact article i c&p'ed the title from and stated it was a c&p

2. you fully fail to get the point i was making, which i also outlined in another post.


i'll state it again, in deference to you.

the research is irresponsible. any pysychological research that makes conclusions based on iq are worthless.

here are my quotes on that, which i already [posted in this thread.

i doubt you will be able to sort it out now, just pointing out how you so blatantly missed it all already.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

here's the actual article where i c&p'ed the title topic-

http://www.bitterwallet.com/its-offi...+(BitterWallet)

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, for me, the article illustrates why i've thought for a while that psychological science is the most dangerous of all sciences. certainly, it's stress. but to base it on iq testing? that's laughable really. imo anything based on iq or, and even more importantly, the dsm is based on what others deem socially acceptable.

and then, and then! to make it worse, retards in the media can glob on to it and spin it like the thread title.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Naw, just vying for the title of Spin Queen.

you should stop posting drunk.

[BlackCrayon]

dumb study...everyone learned this in elementary school, maslow's hierarchy of human needs..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

here's the actual article where i c&p'ed the title topic-

http://www.bitterwallet.com/its-offi...+(BitterWallet)

a couple of quotes from the article's author's conclusion on the research

*FOR THE DENSE: THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS, THESE ARE COPIED WORDS I AM USING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT PSYCHOLOGY RESEARCH IS IRRESPONSIBLE AND NOT BASED ON FACTS*

You all thought rich people had money because they had advantages and opportunities available to them that you did not. Now it seems that not only are these people considerably richer than yow, they are also considerably cleverer than you.

proving conclusively that that specific money worry, and not the trappings of wealth, which might include a better education, was the reason for poor people being stupid.

i emphasised the last part, research like this is backwards, it assumes poor people are stupid then looks for a reason for that.

[dyna mo]

i liked this conclusion the best


" Whether the study shows correlation or causation, at least it’s another handy excuse for those so afflicted."


good solid research and journalism! yay.

[idolbucks]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

Interesting documentary on stress and hierarchies.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eYG0ZuTv5rs

I watched this on Netflix just yesterday! Highly recommended!

[TheSquealer]

This forum perfectly supports those findings.

[Due]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're joking right? you can't read the thread or you didn't red the thread? because

1. i posted a link showing the exact article i c&p'ed the title from and stated it was a c&p

2. you fully fail to get the point i was making, which i also outlined in another post.


i'll state it again, in deference to you.

the research is irresponsible. any pysychological research that makes conclusions based on iq are worthless.

here are my quotes on that, which i already [posted in this thread.

i doubt you will be able to sort it out now, just pointing out how you so blatantly missed it all already.

IQ meassures your ability to learn new things or solve problems.

Reading the heading on your very first link I see:

Poor people aren't stupid; bad decisions are from being overwhelmed, study finds

Then your second link say:

It?s official. Poor people really are stupid.

When I read both articles, they are about the same thing.
Both articles state that:
1: If you have a financial burden you can't handle then you make bad/wrong decisions
2: Its temporary, when the burden goes away your performance goes up.

The article on NBC news specifically say that poor people are not stupid.
It also say

The poorer and richer shoppers did equally well when they had a minor financial issue at the back of their minds. But when the car repair was more expensive, or when the salary cut was higher, the lower-earners did significantly worse on the later tests than the higher-earners.

Which support the fact that increased stress impairs your decision making more the less you have.
The bitterwallet quote the NBC article incorrectly. NBC state"

?It?s what is in their mind that changes,? Shafir told NBC News. ?The test is the same both times. All that changes is how much it takes to fix your car. It?s being distracted by fixing your car that all of a sudden takes away your attention. You are just as smart when the car is cheap and you are less smart on the exact same question when fixing the car is expensive.?

Bitterwallet incorrectly made this quote "Eldar Shafir of Princeton University, who was part of the research team, said: ?Previous views of poverty have blamed poverty on personal failings, or an environment that is not conducive to success. We?re arguing that the lack of financial resources itself can lead to impaired cognitive function. The very condition of not having enough can actually be a cause of poverty.?
On NBC the that statement is made by Zhao, now an assistant professor of psychology at the University of British Columbia.
Your own quote copied from bitterwallet

proving conclusively that that specific money worry, and not the trappings of wealth, which might include a better education, was the reason for poor people being stupid.

Seems to originate from

?It?s what is in their mind that changes,? Shafir told NBC News. ?The test is the same both times. All that changes is how much it takes to fix your car. It?s being distracted by fixing your car that all of a sudden takes away your attention. You are just as smart when the car is cheap and you are less smart on the exact same question when fixing the car is expensive.?

Which ultimately proves what I said in my initial post.

[Due]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i liked this conclusion the best


" Whether the study shows correlation or causation, at least it?s another handy excuse for those so afflicted."


good solid research and journalism! yay.

No its not.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Due

Which ultimately proves what I said in my initial post.

no, it doesn't. you were yapping some shit about me arguing with myself and being poor in that first post.

you haven't proved jack shit about anything you wrote in your initial post. i'm not arguing with myself, you haven't shown that and you have no clue whether i am poor or not.

your logic skills are on par with the research that proves *why* poor people are stupid.

[Due]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, it doesn't. you were yapping some shit about me arguing with myself and being poor in that first post.

you haven't proved jack shit about anything you wrote in your initial post. i'm not arguing with myself, you haven't shown that and you have no clue whether i am poor or not.

your logic skills are on par with the research that proves *why* poor people are stupid.

Let me find that for you.

The article you posted say they aren't. It's like you are debating with yourself

I made a statement and asked a question. My statement was that you disagree with the article you posted.

And here is the article you posted: http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_new...udy-finds?lite

Debating was the wrong word to use I agree with you on that one.
It should have been contradicting.
Your 2nd article appear to contradict the first article in the conclusion, not sure if that could make it qualify to be a "debate"
Please explain how my logic skills are on par with the research that proves *why* poor people are stupid. Are you assuming I'm stupid and therefor poor or are you assuming I'm poor and I must be stupid?
I'm not poor but I could be stupid, stupid people wouldn't know if they are stupid would they ? Even if I'm stupid its not on par with the research so I'm really curious how you reached that conclusion.

FYI: For me its nothing personal, I'm arguing for the sake of arguing. I find this to be a very interesting subject but I don't agree with your opinion. The article explain to me a lot of the differences I've seen in Europe / USA, especially the differences on how the lower class acts.

[dyna mo]

there is nothing contradictory about my view& opinion here. i've iterated it and reiterated it very clearly. the title words were not mine, the op words were not mine, i am otr with that. i'm not contradicting myself and i am not debating myself, you simply need to read to be able to see for yourself my view on the topic.


you, for some reason hmmm, left out your quip about me being poor, let me find that for you.

Originally Posted by Due

where do you see that? The article you posted say they aren't. It's like you are debating with yourself. .. are you poor?