Big Hollywood Director goes to jail then gives new opinion on America and GOP

[blackmonsters]

Director John McTiernan talks to CNN's Bill Weir about his imprisonment and his fight to clear his name.

He has some really strong opinions and accusations.
This is some deep shit!

I'm not saying he is right or wrong, GODDAMNIT!

This is just what he said.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...on.cnn-ap.html


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[2MuchMark]

What did he say that you didn't already know?

[mikesouth]

Its a HUGE problem that goes way beyond just Black and brown, the privatization of prisons has turned creating prisoners into a really big business.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

Its a HUGE problem that goes way beyond just Black and brown, the privatization of prisons has turned creating prisoners into a really big business.

Damn right.



1984 - Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) gets first contract

And another good read.

Kids For Cash - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

The War on Drugs is nothing but a money machine.

[BIGTYMER]

http://m.thenation.com/article/17312...gration-system

[mozadek]

Private prisons is big business, they're no longer going hard after blacks and latinos, now they're also going after poor whites.

[blackmonsters]

I agree with everyone who has posted.

[devilspost]

[kane]

Originally Posted by mozadek

Private prisons is big business, they're no longer going hard after blacks and latinos, now they're also going after poor whites.

Yep. The reality is if you are a private prison your profits are determined by how many beds you have full. The only real control you can have over that is hiring lobbyist who can help get tougher sentencing laws passed which will put more people in jail and make certain your profits remain high.

Politicians are more than willing to put these laws forward. They are easy sells to the voters because it makes them look like they are tough on crime, but what you get is someone who made one minor mistake ending up getting a mandatory minimum of 5 or 10 years and if you don't have serious money to fight it you are in serious trouble.

I have a friend who recently was accused of a crime he didn't commit. At the time of the incident the police handcuffed him and detained him then after talking to everyone determined their was no evidence to charge him with anything so they let him go. The person accusing him made a Facebook page asking for supporters and called all the local media about it. Under pressure the prosecutor's office decided to charge him. He and his wife drained every penny from their savings account paying for a lawyer and finally the lawyer got him a plea deal that was a slap on the wrist, but he now has a conviction for a misdemeanor on his record and it cost him thousands of dollars. Had he decided to fight it in court and lost it would have been at least 3-5 years and jail.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by kane

Yep. The reality is if you are a private prison your profits are determined by how many beds you have full. The only real control you can have over that is hiring lobbyist who can help get tougher sentencing laws passed which will put more people in jail and make certain your profits remain high.

Politicians are more than willing to put these laws forward. They are easy sells to the voters because it makes them look like they are tough on crime, but what you get is someone who made one minor mistake ending up getting a mandatory minimum of 5 or 10 years and if you don't have serious money to fight it you are in serious trouble.

I have a friend who recently was accused of a crime he didn't commit. At the time of the incident the police handcuffed him and detained him then after talking to everyone determined their was no evidence to charge him with anything so they let him go. The person accusing him made a Facebook page asking for supporters and called all the local media about it. Under pressure the prosecutor's office decided to charge him. He and his wife drained every penny from their savings account paying for a lawyer and finally the lawyer got him a plea deal that was a slap on the wrist, but he now has a conviction for a misdemeanor on his record and it cost him thousands of dollars. Had he decided to fight it in court and lost it would have been at least 3-5 years and jail.

Fucking Sad

[BIGTYMER]

US citizen spent 13 months in a CCA immigration prison.

http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/U-S...CE-3291041.php

[tony286]

I had read years ago some state in the midwest wanting some company to take over their prisons. The company said they had to guarantee 96 percent occupancy, which was very scary to read.
They say all the busting illegals bills in AZ were written by lobbyists for corp prisons because when they arrested the illegals guess where they are held til they are sent back.
But got to get that big gov out and privatize it. lol

[Cherry7]

Scary stuff....

[John-ACWM]

Originally Posted by kane

Yep. The reality is if you are a private prison your profits are determined by how many beds you have full. The only real control you can have over that is hiring lobbyist who can help get tougher sentencing laws passed which will put more people in jail and make certain your profits remain high.

Politicians are more than willing to put these laws forward. They are easy sells to the voters because it makes them look like they are tough on crime, but what you get is someone who made one minor mistake ending up getting a mandatory minimum of 5 or 10 years and if you don't have serious money to fight it you are in serious trouble.

I have a friend who recently was accused of a crime he didn't commit. At the time of the incident the police handcuffed him and detained him then after talking to everyone determined their was no evidence to charge him with anything so they let him go. The person accusing him made a Facebook page asking for supporters and called all the local media about it. Under pressure the prosecutor's office decided to charge him. He and his wife drained every penny from their savings account paying for a lawyer and finally the lawyer got him a plea deal that was a slap on the wrist, but he now has a conviction for a misdemeanor on his record and it cost him thousands of dollars. Had he decided to fight it in court and lost it would have been at least 3-5 years and jail.

What a sad 'business'

[Barry-xlovecam]

Another privatization success story ...

[bronco67]

Maybe we can get him out of jail and back on the Die Hard franchise. It really needs him.

[bronco67]

I watched the vid, and I kind of agree with him...no surprise there probably. When you look at what's going on with voter ID and the like, you'd have to be an idiot to think it was anything other than taking black voters out of the loop so Republicans can win more elections.

How else are they going to win an election? The country is going in a different direction, and they want everything to stay the way it was.

[pornguy]

Just saw an article that a study shows 1 in 25 on death row are most likely innocent.

I think we need a Complete over haul and evaluation of everyone convicted.

[mikesouth]

wow this may be the first gfy thread in history where everyone is in agreement on a political issue...

[Sunny Day]

Many a private prison contract calls for 80, 90 or 100% occupancy. So if the prison contact is 100% but the occupancy is 70% the company gets paid for 30% ghost prisoners. Empty beds are actually better for them. They get paid, but have no food, clothing, medical or other costs of real prisoners. Also they can shut down housing units and save costs by having fewer guards.
They do want as many prisoners as possible because there have been a lot of news stories about this and taxpayers are starting to get wise.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...uota-cca-crime

http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/b...rison-industry


Another fine example of privatization is the Chicago parking meter mess

http://americablog.com/2013/09/priva...r-debacle.html

"The deal, you see, is structured like this. Not only does CPM get the money its meters hoover up from the fine upstanding citizens of Chicago. It gets money even if the meters are not used. Each meter has been assigned a ?fair market valuation.?If the City takes what is called a ?reserve power adverse action??that can mean anything from removing a meter because it impedes traffic flow, shutting down a street for a block party or discouraging traffic from coming into the city during rush hour??CPM has the right to trigger an immediate payment for the entire loss of the meter?s fair market value over the entire life of the seventy-five-year agreement.?"

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

Many a private prison contract calls for 80, 90 or 100% occupancy. So if the prison contact is 100% but the occupancy is 70% the company gets paid for 30% ghost prisoners. Empty beds are actually better for them. They get paid, but have no food, clothing, medical or other costs of real prisoners. Also they can shut down housing units and save costs by having fewer guards.
They do want as many prisoners as possible because there have been a lot of news stories about this and taxpayers are starting to get wise.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...uota-cca-crime

http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/b...rison-industry


Another fine example of privatization is the Chicago parking meter mess

http://americablog.com/2013/09/priva...r-debacle.html

"The deal, you see, is structured like this. Not only does CPM get the money its meters hoover up from the fine upstanding citizens of Chicago. It gets money even if the meters are not used. Each meter has been assigned a ?fair market valuation.?If the City takes what is called a ?reserve power adverse action??that can mean anything from removing a meter because it impedes traffic flow, shutting down a street for a block party or discouraging traffic from coming into the city during rush hour??CPM has the right to trigger an immediate payment for the entire loss of the meter?s fair market value over the entire life of the seventy-five-year agreement.?"

Privatization is not what this director is talking about in the video.
I don't even know how this thread went into that direction.
It's basically off topic.

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Privatization is not what this director is talking about in the video.
I don't even know how this thread went into that direction.
It's basically off topic.

In a round about way he is without actually saying it. He is talking about how the government, via the war on drugs and other things, is declaring war on non-whites and poor people. Part of the reason for these new laws that allow for these people to be put in jail is the privatization of the prison system and the heavy lobbying for tougher laws, mandatory minimum sentencing, and the expansion of what is and is not a crime.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by kane

In a round about way he is without actually saying it. He is talking about how the government, via the war on drugs and other things, is declaring war on non-whites and poor people. Part of the reason for these new laws that allow for these people to be put in jail is the privatization of the prison system and the heavy lobbying for tougher laws, mandatory minimum sentencing, and the expansion of what is and is not a crime.

How does privatization translate into fake charges on minorities when that's been part of history long before private prisons?

What?

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

How does privatization translate into fake charges on minorities when that's been part of history long before private prisons?

What?

It doesn't. But the mandatory minimum sentencing that is now in place causes many of those who have fake charges filed against them to cut a plea. That plea often includes some amount of jail time. They take it because they know if they choose to go to trial and lose they will go away for 10-15 years or longer.