So you think tubes make a lot of money these days?

[signupdamnit]

Niche tube. It's been at the top of the SERP for it's main terms for years.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1125975

The owner tried to sell it late last year and claimed to make only about $5,000 for the year from it. About 30k daily visits.

Selling it in part it seems because the revenue no longer covers expenses.

I'm not posting this to call anyone out but because I saw that site before and would have figured it made much more given the google traffic it had and that it was fetish. I guess it goes to show that a lot of money really did leave the industry.

[American Psycho]

Thats accurate, i spoke w him during sale.

he wasnt making much with lots of unique visitors.

Imo tube only make real money when they are massive , then its huge. There is no in between imo.

[Magnetron]

Did he have 340 days of downtime?

Those numbers are atrocious.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Now compare 30k a day with the numbers the big tubes pull and the avg $ they charge per 1000 impressions....

[Creatine]

Needs more popups and ads.

[Roald]

Big tubes make a lot of money yes.

tiny tubes not so much.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Niche tube. It's been at the top of the SERP for it's main terms for years.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1125975

The owner tried to sell it late last year and claimed to make only about $5,000 for the year from it. About 30k daily visits.

Selling it in part it seems because the revenue no longer covers expenses.

I'm not posting this to call anyone out but because I saw that site before and would have figured it made much more given the google traffic it had and that it was fetish. I guess it goes to show that a lot of money really did leave the industry.

It's a tricky fetish, wasn't monetized properly at all and totally different biz then big generic tubes. You really can't compare the two

I considered buying it myself but didn't want to deal with the cms redo and user uploaded content

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by arock10

wasn't monetized properly at all

That's understating it.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by arock10

It's a tricky fetish, wasn't monetized properly at all and totally different biz then big generic tubes. You really can't compare the two

I considered buying it myself but didn't want to deal with the cms redo and user uploaded content

Shouldn't he have made a lot on linking to paysites in that fetish though? Or dating? I would have thought at least 5 sales a day to a paysite from that much targeted fetish traffic.

[Robbie]

No, because sales to actual porn sites from tubes aren't good at all.

Yeah, if you have a tube that has 10 million uniques a day...you can sell a tiny percentage of that and the numbers are still big. But most of the money is made by selling ad spots to guys looking to get some sales from that "throw a lot of shit on the wall and see if it sticks" approach.

A similar sized TGP to the tube that isn't making money, would have been very lucrative back in the days before piracy. But not now.

As has already been said...you have to have a MASSIVE traffic tube. And then it's lucrative. Anything below that is lucky to make average money.

[myleene]

Earnings from January 2013 to date:
AFF: $2325, AWE: $583, Ero: $502, Direct sales: ~$1200

Total: 4610$ / 345 days = 13.36$/day with 30k daily traffic


If you can manage the servers yourself it could turn a nice profit. Otherwise, it's true that it would be difficult. Bandwidth and server cost were surely high.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by arock10

It's a tricky fetish, wasn't monetized properly at all and totally different biz then big generic tubes. You really can't compare the two

I considered buying it myself but didn't want to deal with the cms redo and user uploaded content

You can tell from his revenue sources that he had no idea what he was doing. Eroadvertising for ballbusting traffic?

The only decent monetization he had was Alt.com, and I bet he was using generic promo linking to a generic lander. With targeted ballbusting dating promo he would have had a huge increase in revenue.

[CurrentlySober]

i wick poo...

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

You can tell from his revenue sources that he had no idea what he was doing. Eroadvertising for ballbusting traffic?

The only decent monetization he had was Alt.com, and I bet he was using generic promo linking to a generic lander. With targeted ballbusting dating promo he would have had a huge increase in revenue.

It could be that he tried the other things we expect would work and they didn't. The main thing a site like that has is paysites and if they don't sell it's tough.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It could be that he tried the other things we expect would work and they didn't. The main thing a site like that has is paysites and if they don't sell it's tough.

most likely the guy created the site because he liked ballbusting and was more then happy to run it at break even

also the site that is there now is a new cms/design/etc then what it had when he was selling it. So what you see now doesn't accurately reflect the sale (the site DID sell)

[KickAssJesse]

tubes - go big or go home

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by KickAssJesse

tubes - go big or go home

Weird. Is the reason for that because people, for whatever reason, are willing to pay higher amounts for traffic from big tubes regardless of ROI? Otherwise why would a high traffic general tube beat a highly niched 30k/day tube for monetization? People used to say that highly niched traffic beat the crap out of general traffic any day.

It seems it might be a bubble if this is the case. Although it could be that the old owner wasn't good at monetizing as others suggest. His $/visit was around $0.40/k based on his stats.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by arock10

most likely the guy created the site because he liked ballbusting and was more then happy to run it at break even

also the site that is there now is a new cms/design/etc then what it had when he was selling it. So what you see now doesn't accurately reflect the sale (the site DID sell)

I saw the site many times over the past few years. I can't remember how hard he pushed paysites although I thought he did a little.

Out of curiosity do you know who owns the site now?

[Jel]

if only you put as much effort into your own work. A whole bunch of ifs, buts, and maybes in this thread so far, which earned you precisely $0.00 for your guesswork.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Jel

if only you put as much effort into your own work. A whole bunch of ifs, buts, and maybes in this thread so far, which earned you precisely $0.00 for your guesswork.

Fuck it, it's better than bitching about politics or some celeb. At least it's related to the biz. Sorry you don't like it, just don't click the thread or put me on ignore. No need to bitch every time I dare say something which you don't like. I do things my way, you do yours.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Fuck it, it's better than bitching about politics or some celeb. Sorry you don't like it, just don't click the thread or put me on ignore. No need to bitch every time a dare say something which you don't like. I do things my way, you do yours.

maybe, just seems a waste of actual work time to me, at least celebs/politics/etc is watercooler stuff in people's downtime.

And fuck off with the telling me where I can post, what I can say, and what threads I can click on. Don't want me to remark what a waste of fucking time dissecting someone else's tube site is, don't put a thread in front of me that has a biz title but is really a thinly-veiled jab at tubes and how they suck and there is no money in porn blahblahblah.

At least my post about it being a waste of worktime was constructive, and geared to making you think about how to spend your time making actual $$$ - my apologies, you crack on guessing what everyone else is earning

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Jel

maybe, just seems a waste of actual work time to me, at least celebs/politics/etc is watercooler stuff in people's downtime.

And fuck off with the telling me where I can post, what I can say, and what threads I can click on. Don't want me to remark what a waste of fucking time dissecting someone else's tube site is, don't put a thread in front of me that has a biz title but is really a thinly-veiled jab at tubes and how they suck and there is no money in porn blahblahblah.

At least my post about it being a waste of worktime was constructive, and geared to making you think about how to spend your time making actual $$$ - my apologies, you crack on guessing what everyone else is earning

It's funny that you come into a thread I start and chastise me for saying something you don't like and then you claim I am trying to tell you what to do. The thing is you have a bad habit of it. Whatever it's Friday. Here. I'll put you on ignore. You should do the same but if not, hell, your choice.

[Jel]

the truth hurts I see.

[signupdamnit]

This message is hidden because Jel is on your ignore list.

Anyway I hope you're making 100k again. I remember that old post. Nothing personal but I have no time to bicker about someone not liking my opinion and as you'd probably say bitching here at people you don't know isn't going to bring you any closer to 100k. Let us both be more constructive.

[Jel]

not as well as you think you remember it

[The Porn Nerd]

Plus the guy said he didn't start the tube to make money. LOL So he obviously didn't 'work it' or know what to do with it. he even said as long as the costs covered themselves he was fine with it but only after his costs doubled did he want to dump it. A pure "set 'n forget" tube.

Lesson: You gotta "work" a fucking tube site these days, just like any other site. The days of Make-a-Tube and HostedTubes and set n' forget tubes blah blah blah are over. Unless you are happy making an extra $50 a day I suppose.

Using this tube as a comparison or an example for other tubes is not good. Show me what mad Thumbs and Pornerbros and YOBT and Tube Wolf and Slutload are doing then I'd be interested.

[Magnetron]

Look at it this way.

You could run that 30K daily traffic through my poetry website and it would generate at least $100,000 yearly.

That is how pathetic and neglected this tube was.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Plus the guy said he didn't start the tube to make money. LOL So he obviously didn't 'work it' or know what to do with it. he even said as long as the costs covered themselves he was fine with it but only after his costs doubled did he want to dump it. A pure "set 'n forget" tube.

Lesson: You gotta "work" a fucking tube site these days, just like any other site. The days of Make-a-Tube and HostedTubes and set n' forget tubes blah blah blah are over. Unless you are happy making an extra $50 a day I suppose.

Using this tube as a comparison or an example for other tubes is not good. Show me what mad Thumbs and Pornerbros and YOBT and Tube Wolf and Slutload are doing then I'd be interested.

Well I have some sites in that fetish still and I've long admired his rankings in Google. It was #1 or #2 for some time for ballbusting in google and has almost always been #1 ballbusting tube. It still is #1 today for the latter I see.

Seeing what he says he made was a total shock to me because I thought he would be doing far better. I can't remember a lot but I know he was trying to monetize it over the years as I saw that when checking in. Maybe he wasn't good at that part but he was damn good at getting google traffic I will say that.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Well I have some sites in that fetish still and I've long admired his rankings in Google. It was #1 or #2 for some time for ballbusting in google and has almost always been #1 ballbusting tube. It still is #1 today for the latter I see.

Seeing what he says he made was a total shock to me because I thought he would be doing far better. I can't remember a lot but I know he was trying to monetize it over the years as I saw that when checking in. Maybe he wasn't good at that part but he was damn good at getting google traffic I will say that.

Ah but that reminds me of many people's 'situations'. They can get traffic but what to do with it....

That's why conversion ratios are so important. SOME paysites, for example, still do 1:500 or better. Yes, most are niche sites but not all of them are, some are more generic. So what do these sites do that sites that get 1:2500 do not do? And vice versa?

I used to run a blog pre-porn. I once got 100k visitors to it in a single day from a post I did on Reddit. I had 3 sidebar ads for self-help books. They all had their own affiliate programs (so not through Amazon) which I found through Commision Junction I think. One of the books was semi-related to the Reddit topic so I made a few sales there but the other two i got nothing. So that 100K was essentially wasted.

If that happened today I would know to swap out those low-performing books/ads with something better and keep testing til I found something that worked, etc. So sometimes you simply are clueless as to how to monetize. LOL

[SomeCreep]

That tube needs more cow bell.

[Roald]

That post from pic hunter comes to mind and how he was making next to nothing with his 300k a day tgp years ago.

Monetizing.

[TubeSubmitters]

Cant beat Hostedtube when it comes to making lots of money!! Here is stats yesterday for one of my tubes:
SITE UNIQUE IPS PAGEVIEWS VIDEO VIEWS REVENUE
xxxx 13,151 130,106 43,619 $1.46

[myleene]

Originally Posted by AdultDesigns

Cant beat Hostedtube when it comes to making lots of money!! Here is stats yesterday for one of my tubes:
SITE UNIQUE IPS PAGEVIEWS VIDEO VIEWS REVENUE
xxxx 13,151 130,106 43,619 $1.46

He was making +500% more than that.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Weird. Is the reason for that because people, for whatever reason, are willing to pay higher amounts for traffic from big tubes regardless of ROI? Otherwise why would a high traffic general tube beat a highly niched 30k/day tube for monetization? People used to say that highly niched traffic beat the crap out of general traffic any day.

It seems it might be a bubble if this is the case. Although it could be that the old owner wasn't good at monetizing as others suggest. His $/visit was around $0.40/k based on his stats.

I am wondering along the similar lines. Why would big traffic work any better? Why would people pay more per X views on 1mil tube compared to 30k tube? Especially niched.

It may be because of server cost. Meaning that server for 300K tube does not cost 10 times more than servers for 30k tube. If that is the case than this may be the reason why bigger woks better - server costs per visitor is lower with bigger tubes.

And nice business thread

[JA$ON]

If you take tube A and Tube B and both are the same niche, same visitor profile, monatized the same EXACT way. The Larger tube will make more ONLY because you can leverage the size to get better bandwidth deals etc, other than that, they should make exactly the same amount per visitor.

Why would someone think that because a tube is BIG, its making more per unique than a smaller one? Just not the case

[arock10]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I am wondering along the similar lines. Why would big traffic work any better? Why would people pay more per X views on 1mil tube compared to 30k tube? Especially niched.

It may be because of server cost. Meaning that server for 300K tube does not cost 10 times more than servers for 30k tube. If that is the case than this may be the reason why bigger woks better - server costs per visitor is lower with bigger tubes.

And nice business thread

the larger you get the lower per k it costs to run and the greater per k you can make in advertising dollars. more traffic = more competition to buy it

[3xmedia]

Originally Posted by myleene

He was making +500% more than that.

[The Porn Nerd]

Also remember we are not only talking paysites and tubes here. The bigger tubes monetize by dating, cams, dick pills, etc. The smaller 'niche' tubes are trying to monetize their niche so you don't see as many dating, cams and dick pill ads on those sites. Or, if you do see them, the niche crowd ignores them because they are looking for, you know, their niche.

With big tubes it's like Wal-Mart. There are enough diversified interests via millions of visitors that you can monetize in many differant ways. Plus add in the Law of Big Numbers and there ya go.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by Jel

At least my post about it being a waste of worktime was constructive,

Actually it's hypocritical. YOU are wasting your time telling someone they are wasting their time.

All those who oppose threads like this seem to CARE SO MUCH about us that you are willing, day after day, thread after thread, to 'relentlessly' try to make us see a better way of thinking.

The fact that you call us names, seem permanently angry, and belittle us, is just another way you show that CARE.

Obviously!

[PornMySex]

Originally Posted by arock10

the larger you get the lower per k it costs to run and the greater per k you can make in advertising dollars. more traffic = more competition to buy it

Exactly. And big tubes are featured on advertising network.

But still, i'm wondering why it's 10 times more expensive to advertise on a big tube, than on a 30k tube.

I'm not an advertiser, but i'm wondering why advertisers don't buy on many middle size tubes.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Exactly. And big tubes are featured on advertising network.

But still, i'm wondering why it's 10 times more expensive to advertise on a big tube, than on a 30k tube.

I'm not an advertiser, but i'm wondering why advertisers don't buy on many middle size tubes.

Where do you get the info that it is 10 times more expensive? That does not make sense. Not even 2 tmes more expensive would make a sense.

[PornMySex]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Where do you get the info that it is 10 times more expensive? That does not make sense. Not even 2 tmes more expensive would make a sense.

Because i run small tubes with the same advertising networks as big tubes and my cpm are ten times smaller than big tubes.

The reason might be because i don't have advertisers spending money on my sites and advertising networks taking a bigger share on smaller sites, but still, there is a big difference between cpm on small tubes and big tubes.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Because i run small tubes with the same advertising networks as big tubes and my cpm are ten times smaller than big tubes.

The reason might be because i don't have advertisers spending money on my sites and advertising networks taking a bigger share on smaller sites, but still, there is a big difference between cpm on small tubes and big tubes.

As a smaller tube, your inventory is most likely being sold as RON, which typically goes cheaper than traffic being sold on a "premium" site. This is where economies of scale helps a business on many levels by creating leverage for both costs and earnings.

Scale up.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Because i run small tubes with the same advertising networks as big tubes and my cpm are ten times smaller than big tubes.

The reason might be because i don't have advertisers spending money on my sites and advertising networks taking a bigger share on smaller sites, but still, there is a big difference between cpm on small tubes and big tubes.

For big tubes it's all about selling that shit traffic to other people.

If it was truly good traffic they would simply sign up for affiliate programs and slap their link codes to the appropriate sites for each vid like we all did (and made great money) from the beginning of online adult.

But they don't. Instead they offer the actual sponsor to be THEIR bitch by becoming a "content partner". And then they proceed to spam the page that the vid is on all to hell with pre-paid ad spots (where the real money is for them).

That's why you have to have a HUGE traffic tube to make huge money. It has nothing to do with selling porn. It's all about selling ad space.

And these days...they are all emulating Google for their biz model. You basically don't ever get a real ad on Porn Hub for instance. You instead "bid" for placement. Then your ad gets whatever placement it receives via rank of it's "bid" per view.

It's total bullshit for the people buying the ads. But I guess these days, if you can throw shit on the wall enough it will stick.

And at this point some people don't give a fuck if it took 100 million ad views...as long as they are able to get maybe 100 signups out of it, it's worth it. At least compared to the ZERO they would get without that ad spot.

[PornMySex]

Originally Posted by Sly

As a smaller tube, your inventory is most likely being sold as RON, which typically goes cheaper than traffic being sold on a "premium" site. This is where economies of scale helps a business on many levels by creating leverage for both costs and earnings.

Scale up.

Yes i know how it works. But i'm still wondering why advertisers don't buy ads on many non premium medium size tubes, 30k, 50k daily which have a way way lower cpm.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Yes i know how it works. But i'm still wondering why advertisers don't buy ads on many non premium medium size tubes, 30k, 50k daily which have a way way lower cpm.

Because they don't see it like that. They see it as if they get a giant amount of ad views, they will still make more sales than they would on the smaller, more targeted tube.

(the "throw enough shit on the wall and see what sticks" method I talked about)

[Sly]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Yes i know how it works. But i'm still wondering why advertisers don't buy ads on many non premium medium size tubes, 30k, 50k daily which have a way way lower cpm.

Harder to track the progress on such low quantities. Imagine a .5% CTR on a 30k site with a 6 banner rotation. That accounts for minimal traffic. Buyers need data.

If you want to sell your banners out right, let me know. I will likely pay you more than what you are making right now in RON.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by mopek1

Actually it's hypocritical. YOU are wasting your time telling someone they are wasting their time.

All those who oppose threads like this seem to CARE SO MUCH about us that you are willing, day after day, thread after thread, to 'relentlessly' try to make us see a better way of thinking.

The fact that you call us names, seem permanently angry, and belittle us, is just another way you show that CARE.

Obviously!

mate, I like you and your posts, but sometimes you chat shit. What I am saying, in the interests of people earning more money, in this particular thread is: put as much effort into your own work as is being put into what some other guy, running some other tube, in some other niche, with some other (not so great) biz plan, guesstimating what he gets per click, how he should/shouldn't monetize, and on and on and on. This was to the OP, who has obviously spent time looking, and guesstimating.

I'm far from angry... I'm trying to point the OP into a better $ earner. That's biz... wasting time on what someone else is doing, in the hopes that it 'proves' that tubes don't make money, is tbh, a bit baffling to me. Why wouldn't you spend time looking at what DOES work, and trying to replicate that, than what you think doesn't? (I'm talking from the OP's pov here).

As for the namecalling and belittling, I assume you are referring to someone else.

But... all that said... you are right. It isn't down to me to make anyone see it's better to put their focus/effort/energy into something that will actually put money in their pocket. Consider me suitably chastised, and I'll go back to treating this place like the non-biz arena that it is

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by PornMySex

Because i run small tubes with the same advertising networks as big tubes and my cpm are ten times smaller than big tubes.

The reason might be because i don't have advertisers spending money on my sites and advertising networks taking a bigger share on smaller sites, but still, there is a big difference between cpm on small tubes and big tubes.

That is crazy and situation calls for direct ad sales.
You get X while big players get 10X. Plus broker fees etc buyers pays even more than 10X. You can approach buyers and offer them to buy for 3X or 5X. That is 2, 3 TIMES cheaper than what they pay. Definitely some would be interested... Even if you offer them to buy for 2X your revenue would double and buyers would still be paying more than 5 TIMES less than they pay for big tubes... WIN WIN.
Gap is tremendously too big to not be utilized. And too big to be fair, something is glitching there since small tube traffic is not worse than big tube traffic (ok maybe by a tiny margin) to receive 10 TIMES less money... It is just not right, no transparency..

[pornmasta]

makes my day