Medical Examiner: Michael Brown shot in front

[Sly]

Not saying the shooting was justified or not justified, but now we can stop saying he was shot in the back while running away unless one of the other autopsies says otherwise. Seems doubtful.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...tem/?tid=sm_fb

[sandman!]

everything on the news seems to be bs about this not surprised he was not shot in the back.

[DEA]

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Sly

Not saying the shooting was justified or not justified, but now we can stop saying he was shot in the back while running away unless one of the other autopsies says otherwise. Seems doubtful.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p...tem/?tid=sm_fb

The eye witness said the guy put his hands up and was shot in the front on the first day.

Some people may believe he was shot in the back once because the witness said he ran away and was shot a second time before putting his hands up.
It does seem reasonable to think a person shot while running away will be struck in the back until there is something to show otherwise.

[Juicy D. Links]

He most likely @ 300lbs plus an dpver 6'6 tried to attack the officer and got shot...

Just speculating.

But if he did what I think he did then it was justified

[Juicy D. Links]

black white asian or whatever , if you attack a cop and go after his gun with intent to harm him then expect to get shot and killed

[Matt 26z]

There is no money, ratings and pageviews in this kid being the aggressor.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

black white asian or whatever , if you attack a cop and go after his gun with intent to harm him then expect to get shot and killed

Yep but no one wants to hear that.

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

The eye witness said the guy put his hands up and was shot in the front on the first day.

Some people may believe he was shot in the back once because the witness said he ran away and was shot a second time before putting his hands up.
It does seem reasonable to think a person shot while running away will be struck in the back until there is something to show otherwise.

WRONG - so-called "witnesses" stated Brown ran away, was shot in the back (they saw his body's reaction to being struck in the back by the bullets), turned and raised his arms pleading he was not armed, went to the ground on his knees and then was killed in a flurry of bullets from the officer. Notice how the "witness" versions keep changing.

[Black All Through]

If it was a white kid that got shot there would be no riots, it would have been limited to protests and sit-ins. This just shows that it's an excuse for many of the aftoamerican community of that area to take advantage to loot and run through the streets fucking shit up. It's not about the kid that was killed.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Black All Through

If it was a white kid that got shot there would be no riots, it would have been limited to protests and sit-ins. This just shows that it's an excuse for many of the aftoamerican community of that area to take advantage to loot and run through the streets fucking shit up. It's not about the kid that was killed.

Protests and sit-ins? Maybe.

High powered tort attorneys? For sure.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

black white asian or whatever , if you attack a cop and go after his gun with intent to harm him then expect to get shot and killed

That would seem a likely outcome, now wouldn't it?

Not saying that's how it went down though. None of us really knows yet.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

WRONG - so-called "witnesses" stated Brown ran away, was shot in the back (they saw his body's reaction to being struck in the back by the bullets), turned and raised his arms pleading he was not armed, went to the ground on his knees and then was killed in a flurry of bullets from the officer. Notice how the "witness" versions keep changing.

How do you repeat exactly what I just said and still have a problem with what I said?

Yeah, I said people heard the witness say it appeared the suspect was shot in the back.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Black All Through

If it was a white kid that got shot there would be no riots, it would have been limited to protests and sit-ins. This just shows that it's an excuse for many of the aftoamerican community of that area to take advantage to loot and run through the streets fucking shit up. It's not about the kid that was killed.

It would be more effective if you would post links to the cases you are alluding to where white people were shot by black cops.

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[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Black All Through

If it was a white kid that got shot there would be no riots, it would have been limited to protests and sit-ins. This just shows that it's an excuse for many of the aftoamerican community of that area to take advantage to loot and run through the streets fucking shit up. It's not about the kid that was killed.

Unless of course its from a soccer game in Europe......

[ezgirl]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

It would be more effective if you would post links to the cases you are alluding to where white people were shot by black cops.

.

I don't know how anyone could do that without spending a lifetime scouring police records, sort of like proving a negative. Perhaps you could post all links where any white person killed by any cop, white or black, or even a civilian, of any race, resulted in riots by white people.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

It would be more effective if you would post links to the cases you are alluding to where white people were shot by black cops.

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Last summer here in Toronto a kid with Syrian background was shot by police on an empty street car. He was armed with a knife but was in no way a threat to the officer that shot him 9 times then tazered him to make sure he was dead. No riots here just peaceful protests. Guess what? the cop has been charged with 2nd degree murder. There are other ways to protest other than rioting and fucking your own community up.

[escorpio]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Last summer here in Toronto a kid with Syrian background was shot by police on an empty street car. He was armed with a knife but was in no way a threat to the officer that shot him 9 times then tazered him to make sure he was dead. No riots here just peaceful protests. Guess what? the cop has been charged with 2nd degree murder. There are other ways to protest other than rioting and fucking your own community up.

Canadians don't "keep it real."

Originally Posted by Black All Through

If it was a white kid that got shot there would be no riots, it would have been limited to protests and sit-ins. This just shows that it's an excuse for many of the aftoamerican community of that area to take advantage to loot and run through the streets fucking shit up. It's not about the kid that was killed.

Like Dillon Delbert Taylor?
http://www.utahcriminallaw.net/slcpd...ew-statements/

[seeric]

Feel free to bookmark this thread and come back when the verdict comes down in this case.

I'd put my money on the cop telling the guy to get out of the street and the guy charging the car and attacking the cop.

He was clearly already in a very agitated and riled up mood from choking and pushing the store clerk around.

In a struggle for the cops gun in through the car window, shot 1 goes off, knocking the subject backwards.

The cop exits the car and attempts to control the situation.

The subject charges the cop and in fear of his life the officer gets off a few more shots to stop the threat, including the one that went through the top of his head.

That shot leads me to believe that there was a physical altercation and the officer in the dark, by himself, with several of the subjects friends around, felt that his life was in danger.

The cop will be exonerated.

I will put money on it.

[Vendzilla]

from everything i've heard, it looks like this "KID" weighed 300 lbs and was 6'4" and attacked the cop after robbing a store, the cop was bruised up. two of the shots were to the top of his head indicating that his head was down. If he has his head down, I doubt he was surrendering , but instead charging, guys that tall to get that shot, his head would have to be way down low, unlikely a position of surrender!!

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by seeric

Feel free to bookmark this thread and come back when the verdict comes down in this case.

I'd put my money on the cop telling the guy to get out of the street and the guy charging the car and attacking the cop.

He was clearly already in a very agitated and riled up mood from choking and pushing the store clerk around.

In a struggle for the cops gun in through the car window, shot 1 goes off, knocking the subject backwards.

The cop exits the car and attempts to control the situation.

The subject charges the cop and in fear of his life the officer gets off a few more shots to stop the threat, including the one that went through the top of his head.

That shot leads me to believe that there was a physical altercation and the officer in the dark, by himself, with several of the subjects friends around, felt that his life was in danger.

The cop will be exonerated.

I will put money on it.

I would agree with you 100%.

But I would like to correct you on one thing. You said he was shot in the dark and I was thinking I had seen footage indicating it was in the afternoon or early evening,
The only timeline I found was on USA Today.

Saturday Aug. 9

11:48 a.m. to noon ? An officer responds to a call of a sick person.

11:51 a.m. ? Another call comes in about a robbery at a convenience store. The dispatcher gives a description of the robber and says the suspect is walking toward the Quick Trip convenience store.

12:01 p.m. ? The officer encounters Michael Brown and a friend as they walk down a street. Brown is shot to death as a result of the encounter.

12:04 p.m. ? A second officer arrives on the scene followed by a supervisor one minute later. An ambulance responding to the earlier sick person call drives by and responds to assess Brown.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...line/14051827/

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Last summer here in Toronto a kid with Syrian background was shot by police on an empty street car. He was armed with a knife but was in no way a threat to the officer that shot him 9 times then tazered him to make sure he was dead. No riots here just peaceful protests. Guess what? the cop has been charged with 2nd degree murder. There are other ways to protest other than rioting and fucking your own community up.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ry=canada+riot

OK, now you will tell me how these white people have better reasons to riot.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by sherm

Like Dillon Delbert Taylor?
http://www.utahcriminallaw.net/slcpd...ew-statements/

That one is very fucked up.

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Unless of course its from a soccer game in Europe......

Soccer? Europeans?

Yep, never happens in North America.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

from everything i've heard, it looks like this "KID" weighed 300 lbs and was 6'4" and attacked the cop after robbing a store, the cop was bruised up. two of the shots were to the top of his head indicating that his head was down. If he has his head down, I doubt he was surrendering , but instead charging, guys that tall to get that shot, his head would have to be way down low, unlikely a position of surrender!!

I doubt he was going to charge after getting shot the first time. His head was down low because he was on his knees surrendering. And he was unarmed, if a cop cant go round and round without shooting. Then he should look at another line of work. I was a bouncer was years without a gun how did a I do it?

[tony286]

The thing that gets me is where are all these tea party constitution types while they are arresting the press. Not a fucking word.

[editeur]

Btw, very typical example of propaganda in massmedia.
A pig killed an unarmed teen who allegedly was not dangerous to the pig and bystanders and kept his hands up.
So what we should do to smear the protestors?
Just let's publish some fake info that he was shot in the back. And when enough people heard this, examiner proves that the shots were made in front. Voila - those who protested the killing of unarmed teen now look like liars not to be trusted.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony286

I doubt he was going to charge after getting shot the first time. His head was down low because he was on his knees surrendering. And he was unarmed, if a cop cant go round and round without shooting. Then he should look at another line of work. I was a bouncer was years without a gun how did a I do it?

It's incredibly cute that you equate being a bouncer to being a cop.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Sly

It's incredibly cute that you equate being a bouncer to being a cop.

I think he is equating the act of subduing a big guy in a bar fight with police subduing the same guy on the street.

The hand to hand struggle does equate.
It's the same guy, he doesn't turn into the hulk after seeing a cop.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

from everything i've heard, it looks like this "KID" weighed 300 lbs and was 6'4" and attacked the cop after robbing a store, the cop was bruised up. two of the shots were to the top of his head indicating that his head was down. If he has his head down, I doubt he was surrendering , but instead charging, guys that tall to get that shot, his head would have to be way down low, unlikely a position of surrender!!

Please,

The guy's head could have gone down because he was dying already and then he got hit by more shots in the top of the head.

How do you dream this shit up?

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

from everything i've heard, it looks like this "KID" weighed 300 lbs and was 6'4" and attacked the cop after robbing a store, the cop was bruised up. two of the shots were to the top of his head indicating that his head was down. If he has his head down, I doubt he was surrendering , but instead charging, guys that tall to get that shot, his head would have to be way down low, unlikely a position of surrender!!

Coroner's report indicated the shots did not appear to be from close range. Two head shots in a moving target with a handgun is not even realistic in video games, much less in real life, with a handgun. Cops are trained to go for center of mass to disable a charging suspect, so I don't know what happened either but I think we can rule out "reaching into the car" based on the "not from close range".

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Dvae

I would agree with you 100%.

But I would like to correct you on one thing. You said he was shot in the dark and I was thinking I had seen footage indicating it was in the afternoon or early evening,
The only timeline I found was on USA Today.

Saturday Aug. 9

11:48 a.m. to noon ? An officer responds to a call of a sick person.

11:51 a.m. ? Another call comes in about a robbery at a convenience store. The dispatcher gives a description of the robber and says the suspect is walking toward the Quick Trip convenience store.

12:01 p.m. ? The officer encounters Michael Brown and a friend as they walk down a street. Brown is shot to death as a result of the encounter.

12:04 p.m. ? A second officer arrives on the scene followed by a supervisor one minute later. An ambulance responding to the earlier sick person call drives by and responds to assess Brown.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...line/14051827/

Very nice. I was not aware of that. Haven't really studied it.

That would change things a bit. Not tremendously, but it does remove the cover of darkness and some of the fear factor.

[seeric]

Keep in mind the guy could have had a gun that the "witnesses", i mean friends of the subject could have easily taken after the fact. The only witnesses to the best of my knowledge are folks that would have liked to see him look like a victim.

Either way, it's too bad. I am ashamed to be an American after seeing the way that the law enforcement handled this situation in Ferguson. It's an abomination to the human race and the whole attraction to the USA.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by seeric

Keep in mind the guy could have had a gun that the "witnesses", i mean friends of the subject could have easily taken after the fact. The only witnesses to the best of my knowledge are folks that would have liked to see him look like a victim.

OK so a cop just unloaded a clip into your friend, and he's laying there in the street with the cop still watching, backup is en route and you are gonna walk up to the body and pick up a gun? That sounds pretty suicidal. I don't think that happened.

[SmutHammer]

Don't care what color he or the cop is, If he attacked the police officer and the cop felt threatened for his life It is all justified. Flip the colors around any way you like.

[hottoddy]

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by hottoddy

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams

A lot of minds were already set from the beginning. The next few weeks will be interesting.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

OK so a cop just unloaded a clip into your friend, and he's laying there in the street with the cop still watching, backup is en route and you are gonna walk up to the body and pick up a gun? That sounds pretty suicidal. I don't think that happened.

The great thing about theories is that there is no evidence to support them yet. Much like every comment in this thread is a theory. We did not see what happened. We are reacting to what we've heard or read.

We read that the cop was beat up, who knows if he was down or any number of reasons that he could have been distracted. There are hundreds if not thousands of ways that is possible. This case already stinks. Who knows what really happened. Only the people who were there or witnessed it. Everything else is irrelevant.

The guys friend's will tell their side. The cop will tell his. The evidence will tell the truth.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Coroner's report indicated the shots did not appear to be from close range. Two head shots in a moving target with a handgun is not even realistic in video games, much less in real life, with a handgun. Cops are trained to go for center of mass to disable a charging suspect, so I don't know what happened either but I think we can rule out "reaching into the car" based on the "not from close range".

Not from close range , means no powder burns. Many things can cut out the power burn at close range, simple as the shot going thru a piece of clothing

This is a cop from a small town that has never had a shooting even close to this happen before. Their training goes out the door when they are being attacked. I've been on the range with cops several times, they are not always the best shot. Depending on the gun he was using, in a panic, you can rattle off shots in a close pattern very easy with most police automatics.

Besides all that, witnesses are starting to come forward to back up the police's statements on what happened and there was the bruising all over the cop in question.

Brown just got done attacking someone and being a bully, the likelihood that he was still pumped up and ready to attack is solid IMHO

I'm just saying what I think, I don't think the police are our best friends all the time, I have had things pointed at me for no reason, I don't like it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by editeur

Btw, very typical example of propaganda in massmedia.
A pig killed an unarmed teen who allegedly was not dangerous to the pig and bystanders and kept his hands up.
So what we should do to smear the protestors?
Just let's publish some fake info that he was shot in the back. And when enough people heard this, examiner proves that the shots were made in front. Voila - those who protested the killing of unarmed teen now look like liars not to be trusted.

He wasn't dangerous at all... He only strong armed robbed a store and then assaulted a police officer..... He was a real angel.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by tony286

I doubt he was going to charge after getting shot the first time. His head was down low because he was on his knees surrendering. And he was unarmed, if a cop cant go round and round without shooting. Then he should look at another line of work. I was a bouncer was years without a gun how did a I do it?

STL Dispatch Reporter Tweet yesterday:

Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting #Ferguson

https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/...56693382094848

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Not from close range , means no powder burns. Many things can cut out the power burn at close range, simple as the shot going thru a piece of clothing

This is a cop from a small town that has never had a shooting even close to this happen before. Their training goes out the door when they are being attacked. I've been on the range with cops several times, they are not always the best shot. Depending on the gun he was using, in a panic, you can rattle off shots in a close pattern very easy with most police automatics.

Besides all that, witnesses are starting to come forward to back up the police's statements on what happened and there was the bruising all over the cop in question.

Brown just got done attacking someone and being a bully, the likelihood that he was still pumped up and ready to attack is solid IMHO

I'm just saying what I think, I don't think the police are our best friends all the time, I have had things pointed at me for no reason, I don't like it.

There are a lot of cops at the range I go to and I agree they are pretty bad shots. I asked one of the retired cops who works there why my targets look so much better than theirs, even at longer range, is there something I don't get? Am I just really good? Or is my S&W more accurate than your Glock? He said no, you are actually just really good, and they are not standing right or not breathing right.

Yeah I think it's clear that Brown was not a nice guy. And I think it's too bad he is the focal point here, but the issue to me is about police abuse and brutality and lack of accountability which are all very real problems and I hope somehow we get some solutions out of this situation. I don't think we will, but still hoping.

[ilnjscb]

Maybe they used the same bullet they used on Kennedy

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

OK so a cop just unloaded a clip into your friend, and he's laying there in the street with the cop still watching, backup is en route and you are gonna walk up to the body and pick up a gun? That sounds pretty suicidal. I don't think that happened.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by seeric

The great thing about theories is that there is no evidence to support them yet. Much like every comment in this thread is a theory. We did not see what happened. We are reacting to what we've heard or read.

We read that the cop was beat up, who knows if he was down or any number of reasons that he could have been distracted. There are hundreds if not thousands of ways that is possible. This case already stinks. Who knows what really happened. Only the people who were there or witnessed it. Everything else is irrelevant.

The guys friend's will tell their side. The cop will tell his. The evidence will tell the truth.

Can you explain to me why what this witness says is not enough?

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word-w...y-318326851993


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[baddog]

"eye witnesses" are the worst; that's been proven. Evidence is the test.

The first 4 shots hit the guy's arm, he probably did not even know he was hit.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by baddog

"eye witnesses" are the worst; that's been proven. Evidence is the test.

The first 4 shots hit the guy's arm, he probably did not even know he was hit.

A GFY witness is probably worse than an eye witness.