Republican voter ID laws unconstitutional

[2MuchMark]

Bad news for a few, great news for everyone else:

(Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday blocked a new voter identification law in Wisconsin from going into effect.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0HZ03020141010

Federal judge rules Texas voter ID law unconstitutional: The ruling was praised by Texas Democratic Party Chairman Gilberto Hinojosa, who told the Austin American-Statesman, "As our former President Lyndon B. Johnson once said: 'It is wrong — deadly wrong — to deny any of your fellow Americans the right to vote in this country.'"

http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/...constitutional

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[Wizzo]

I know I feel better knowing people not even responsible enough to get a id can now decide who leads or government.

[JustDaveXxx]

Interesting.

I don't see peoples right to vote being affected.


Everyone by law has to carry identification. Licenses, state ID, passport, etc. By law when a peace officer asks a citizen for his or her ID it must be presented by law as to establish the ID of that person for what ever reason.


I get asked for ID when I go to a bar, I get asked ID when I use my credit card, when I go in for medical services, when I buy scratchers at the market, When I buy spray pain at The Home Depot, When I buy Cigarettes, When I buy alcohol, when I rent a anything, etc.


My point is that in everyday life we are constantly getting asked to Identify ourselves to prove who we say we are.

Now that we get asked to ID ourselves prior to voting as to prevent voter fraud? And somehow thats unconstitutional?


People whining because they get asked to show something that they are suppose to always have on them. This is just comical to me.



Just Dave

[Rochard]

I don't understand this either. Is it asking too much to show ID in order to vote? Shouldn't it be a basic requirement to prove who you are before you are allowed to vote?

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Interesting.

I don't see peoples right to vote being affected.


Everyone by law has to carry identification. Licenses, state ID, passport, etc. By law when a peace officer asks a citizen for his or her ID it must be presented by law as to establish the ID of that person for what ever reason.


I get asked for ID when I go to a bar, I get asked ID when I use my credit card, when I go in for medical services, when I buy scratchers at the market, When I buy spray pain at The Home Depot, When I buy Cigarettes, When I buy alcohol, when I rent a anything, etc.


My point is that in everyday life we are constantly getting asked to Identify ourselves to prove who we say we are.

Now that we get asked to ID ourselves prior to voting as to prevent voter fraud? And somehow thats unconstitutional?

People whining because they get asked to show something that they are suppose to always have on them. This is just comical to me.

Just Dave

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this either. Is it asking too much to show ID in order to vote? Shouldn't it be a basic requirement to prove who you are before you are allowed to vote?

You guys need to keep your crazy far rightwing opinions out of Mark's political threads...

[_Richard_]

it's a sad day for Wisconsin.

today.. the plight that is voter fraud could possibly continue in Wisconsin, if it existed in the first place:

regardless that the residing judge was unable to find any proof of voter fraud, at all:

A Federal Judge Searches for Voter Fraud in Wisconsin and Finds None

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...s-none/361403/

What does exist, however, is a 1.8 billion deficit.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

You guys need to keep your crazy far rightwing opinions out of Mark's political threads...

I don't decide what is right or wrong based on party lines.

I am stunned that we are not required to prove who we are by showing ID. That should be very basic.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't understand this either. Is it asking too much to show ID in order to vote? Shouldn't it be a basic requirement to prove who you are before you are allowed to vote?

I think that they want to lower the bar to just showing up and mouth berating. Who these people claim to be seems completely irrelevant in the eyes of the democrats.

Originally Posted by Wizzo

You guys need to keep your crazy far rightwing opinions out of Mark's political threads...

I like it when people have a difference of opinion. Makes for healthy discussion.

Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't decide what is right or wrong based on party lines.

I am stunned that we are not required to prove who we are by showing ID. That should be very basic.

I totally agree with you. Im no fan of any particular party, I'm a fan of common sense.


Just Dave

[TampaToker]

i don't want to get into a political debate i do agree you should show id to vote. But these id voting laws are not being put in place to prevent fraud. Actually voting fraud is almost nil.

"And for many young minority youths, even the concept of a required ID was a primary reason they didn?t go to the polls last year: 17.3 percent of black youth and 8.1 percent of Latino youth said their lack of adequate ID kept them from voting, compared with just 4.7 percent of white youth."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz3FleymoPQ

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

You guys need to keep your crazy far rightwing opinions out of Mark's political threads...

Wha... what? What are you saying?

;)

[dyna mo]

that bat shit crazy Canada country to the north requires its citizens to show ID and proof of address to vote.

but no USA repubs in on that so it's OK to the op.

[Dvae]

I'll be voting multiple times in the midterms next month.I will refuse to show ID each time insisting its unconstitutional.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Dvae

I'll be voting multiple times in the midterms next month.I will refuse to show ID each time insisting its unconstitutional.

just Dave

[woj]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

i don't want to get into a political debate i do agree you should show id to vote. But these id voting laws are not being put in place to prevent fraud. Actually voting fraud is almost nil.

"And for many young minority youths, even the concept of a required ID was a primary reason they didn?t go to the polls last year: 17.3 percent of black youth and 8.1 percent of Latino youth said their lack of adequate ID kept them from voting, compared with just 4.7 percent of white youth."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz3FleymoPQ

doesn't it seem ridiculous that someone has the means, time, etc, to go vote... but yet for some reason is unable to get an ID?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Dvae

I'll be voting multiple times in the midterms next month.I will refuse to show ID each time insisting its unconstitutional.

[Tom_PM]

All of these political tactics designed to LIMIT VOTERS are based on a false premise; that there is widespread voter fraud. There isn't. End.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

All of these political tactics designed to LIMIT VOTERS are based on a false premise; that there is widespread voter fraud. There isn't. End.

Lets say for a moment there isn't, doesn't common sense say you should be able to prove you are who you say you are?

Whats to stop me from going to each precinct in my local area and vote in each?

[woj]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

All of these political tactics designed to LIMIT VOTERS are based on a false premise; that there is widespread voter fraud. There isn't. End.

how would one know how widespread voter fraud is if there is no way to check who is voting? but that's even besides the point, widespread or not, it's common sense that identity of the voter should established before voting...

what's stopping someone from voting over and over even at the same location? even if you get caught, you can say: "you are mistaken, you must have confused me with someone else" and they won't be able to prove shit...

[dyna mo]

is it bad law if the motivation behind it is wrong/misguided? even if the law created makes sense?

[Vendzilla]

There is no voter fraud? Wait, Acorn signed up Mickey Mouse didn't they?

Oh wait, The IRS is not a scandal, just because the person in charge has taken the fifth and her emails have all been erased is not proof?

People have to have ID under Obamacare, correct? So what's the difference, me thinks something is being covered up!

Love how the sheep believe everything they are told to believe!

[bronco67]

Ok, maybe you should have to show ID to vote...

But the reason that all of these Republican controlled states are doing it is to limit voter turnout -- and low voter turnout favors Republicans in elections. Some of them have even admitted that these law changes are for that exact reason.

They've created a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. It's another transparent move by dumb-ass conservatives.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Ok, maybe you should have to show ID to vote...

But the reason that all of these Republican controlled states are doing it is to limit voter turnout -- and low voter turnout favors Republicans in elections. Some of them have even admitted that these law changes are for that exact reason.

They've created a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. It's another transparent move by dumb-ass conservatives.

I would have to agree with you on all your points. Nice post.



But if people are to stupid to go get an ID; Something that they are by law required to do, don't you think that they are probably not smart enough to understand the issues they are voting for or against? Just a thought.


Just Dave

[C H R I S]

gotta love you Mark.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I would have to agree with you on all your points. Nice post.



But if people are to stupid to go get an ID; Something that they are by law required to do, don't you think that they are probably not smart enough to understand the issues they are voting for or against? Just a thought.


Just Dave

understanding the issues is not a voting requirement.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

I know I feel better knowing people not even responsible enough to get a id can now decide who leads or government.

How about we block people from voting because they don't think deep enough.

It cost $40 to get a state ID in Hawaii.

You can't pay the fee for the ID with welfare or food stamps.
So that's how deep you think about things.




You need to bring several forms of ID to get the ID though; like a birth certificate.
Then you have to prove the certificate is real and that you weren't born in Kenya if you are black.


http://www1.honolulu.gov/csd/sid/quickanswer.htm

How do I get a Hawaii State ID?

Go to a City Driver Licensing Office with a completed application and documents that prove:

Legal Name (birth certificate, US passport, marriage certificate)
Date of Birth (birth certificate, US passport, driver license)
Legal Presence that prove you are legally in the US (birth certificate, US passport)
Social Security Number (Social Security Card, W-2, 1099 Form)
Hawaii Principal Residence (2 documents required: voter registration card, pay statement, utility bill, bank statement)
(The documents listed are the most commonly available. Go here for more.)



WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW



You are NOT REQUIRED to have a State ID. It is voluntary and usually for people who don't have a driver license.
Satellite City Halls DO NOT issue the State ID.
You have to apply in person at a Driver License Office.
All documents must be originals or certified copies. Notarized copies or faxes are NOT accepted.
It costs $40 except for those that have legal presence limited terms for their legal stay in the U.S.
You must be 10 years old or older to apply. If you are at least 10 years old and under the age of fourteen years, your parent or guardian must apply for you.
You will be issued a temporary paper ID. The card will be mailed to you within 2 - 4 weeks.
The State ID is good for 8 years and expires on your birthday. It expires on the date of your legal stay in the US expires for those who are here temporarily, for example, if you are here with a VISA.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

gotta love you Mark.

Aww.... thanks.

;)

[robwod]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that bat shit crazy Canada country to the north requires its citizens to show ID and proof of address to vote.

but no USA repubs in on that so it's OK to the op.

Yep, not only do we have to show our Voter Cards at the polling station, we also have to show ID that matches the info on the voter card. And then they manually verify everything on a printout to ensure we are at the proper voting station, and that our name has not been crossed off (indicating we have already voted).

It's insane that restrictions are in place to limit the potential of voter fraud. WTF are we thinking here in Canada!?! (/sarcasm)

With respect to the statement someone else made about people not voting last time cause they did not have any ID... how is that the fault of anyone but themselves? You want to participate and have a say in your country, then get an ID. It's not rocket science.

And if you can't save 50 cents a month for 4 years in order to afford an ID, then get off your ass and do something. Help someone across the street for 1 day or 2 per month, or anything trivial, and you'd make that multiple times over.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Oh wait, The IRS is not a scandal, just because the person in charge has taken the fifth and her emails have all been erased is not proof?

The IRS was doing it's job. It routinely looks into types of cases where fraud is common.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

People have to have ID under Obamacare, correct? So what's the difference, me thinks something is being covered up!

I have Obamacare; I've never showed my ID to anyone really.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The IRS was doing it's job. It routinely looks into types of cases where fraud is common.

If that's the case, why has she pleaded the fifth?

I have Obamacare; I've never showed my ID to anyone really.

Define really? You don't have a medical card? You don't have to register your personal information and pay money for Obamacare? If not, I call bull shit!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Dvae

Lets say for a moment there isn't, doesn't common sense say you should be able to prove you are who you say you are?

Whats to stop me from going to each precinct in my local area and vote in each?

The fact that you only registered in one precinct is what stops you from voting in another.

My voter registration card came in the mail, so I would need an address in another precinct to do what you claim.

Your voter fraud claim is science fiction.

People can prove who they are without ID :
The school system knows who they are.
The police know who they are.
The mail deliverer knows who they are.
The phone company knows who they are.
The electric company knows who they are.
The land lord knows who they are.
The welfare office knows who they are.
The food stamp office knows who they are.
Their former and current employer knows who they are.
Child protective services knows who they are.
The library knows who they are.
The chick at Burger king knows who they are.

etc...

But you are stuck on the particular ID that is so easily faked.
Just work one night at the door of a bar. Jesus!!!
You want us to rely on the most faked document in the history of America.

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[kane]

In the case of Wisconsin one of the reasons for this ruling is that the absentee ballots have already been sent out without any kind of information in them that tells the voters they must including a copy of their photo ID with their ballot for it to be counted.

Without that notice many people will not realize that they have to include their ID with their ballot and therefore their vote will not count.

In many other cases these laws aren't simply about requiring people to show ID at the polls. In many cases they actually include provisions to help those that can't afford an ID to get one for free (or very cheap), but they also limit voting hours, cut down early voting days, put limits on where you can vote, and the dates you are allowed to register to vote. They clearly are trying to limit the number of people who cast votes.

[Robbie]

So let me get this straight...Mark Prince has to show his ID in order to vote in Canada, but somehow it's "voter repression" if we do it in the U.S. too?

That's interesting. Typical of faux-liberals who tell you to "Do as we say, not as we do"

[TehKinkyHotness]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

I know I feel better knowing people not even responsible enough to get a id can now decide who leads or government.

Fucking exactly.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

If that's the case, why has she pleaded the fifth?

You are asking why a woman who is about to loose her job and potentially face jail time over something she knew nothing about and had nothing to do with who is being attacked by a political party for no reason is pleading the 5th?

The IRS was dong it's job. The IRS investigates organizations who are typically involved in fraud.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Define really? You don't have a medical card? You don't have to register your personal information and pay money for Obamacare? If not, I call bull shit!

I did not have to show my ID to sign up to Obamacare. I did not go to an Obamcare office, or show my ID to anyone connected to Obamacare. To answer your question even further, I didn't show my ID to anyone in the government, and now that I think about it I never showed my ID to ANYONE.

Come to think of it, I went for a check up earlier this week. They didn't ask for any kind of ID. (Just in case you were wondering the doctor told me I was fit as a fiddle and he expects me to live to 101. No kidding.)

You make mountains out of molehills. The IRS was doing it's freaking job and now it can't because all they need to do is say "Hey, I am a political party" and the IRS has to turn the other way. Fine by me - it's your tax dollars too. As for Obamacare, well, the Republican party completely lost on that.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Robbie

So let me get this straight...Mark Prince has to show his ID in order to vote in Canada, but somehow it's "voter repression" if we do it in the U.S. too?

That's interesting. Typical of faux-liberals who tell you to "Do as we say, not as we do"

Canada never told their Prime Minister that he was born in Kenya either.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Canada never told their Prime Minister that he was born in Kenya either.

Thats because he wasn't.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Canada never told their Prime Minister that he was born in Kenya either.

The U.S. never told our Pres. that either. A few dumbasses trying an extreme political strategy that didn't work were the ones that did that.

Saying an entire country did something would be as crazy as if a dozen crazy guys with box cutters were to hijack some planes and kill people in the U.S. and as a response we would blame an entire country and invade them...
Oh, wait a minute....

And what does that have to do with folks simply showing an ID to vote? You KNOW they already have an ID. There is no way to even get your electricity or water turned on without an ID. Or to rent a place to live without an ID.

So it's a fact that just to live in this country you MUST have an ID. So why can't they just show it at the booth?

I'm not big into govt. (if you haven't noticed lol). I think it's corrupt as hell. But having said that...I'm not an anarchist either.

A limited govt. that SERVES the people is what I look for. And having fair elections without people voting multiple times is a MUST for that.

And don't think it's a "non-problem". The Democrats held office in Chicago for over a hundred years now by voter fraud. Famously having dead people voting for Mayor Daley and the Democrat machine in Chicago.

I know there are many, many other examples, but that is the most famous.

The thing is...voter fraud doesn't exist, until you CATCH them doing it.

And the party that "wins" is usually the one doing it. So they don't investigate.

Show your fucking ID when you vote and then there are no excuses anymore. Why not?

Make the elections as honest as possible. It's just common sense.

[TheSquealer]

Finally, ignorant, borderline Communist Canadians are here to school everyone on US Partisan Politics. Was wondering when this was going to finally happen on this forum.

[Va2k]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Interesting.

I don't see peoples right to vote being affected.


Everyone by law has to carry identification. Licenses, state ID, passport, etc. By law when a peace officer asks a citizen for his or her ID it must be presented by law as to establish the ID of that person for what ever reason.


I get asked for ID when I go to a bar, I get asked ID when I use my credit card, when I go in for medical services, when I buy scratchers at the market, When I buy spray pain at The Home Depot, When I buy Cigarettes, When I buy alcohol, when I rent a anything, etc.


My point is that in everyday life we are constantly getting asked to Identify ourselves to prove who we say we are.

Now that we get asked to ID ourselves prior to voting as to prevent voter fraud? And somehow thats unconstitutional?


People whining because they get asked to show something that they are suppose to always have on them. This is just comical to me.



Just Dave

Not in all states brother, like my state and home town, as long as you did or are not breaking the law the police can't just walk up to you and demand your id. Or search you etc. If you ask if you're being detained or arrested and the answer is no, you don't even have to talk to them, you can just either drive away or walk away etc.. But for me, I have nothing to hide I would just go on my merry way. LOL *shrugs* Who knows I could be wrong. lmao

[robwod]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Finally, ignorant, borderline Communist Canadians are here to school everyone on US Partisan Politics. Was wondering when this was going to finally happen on this forum.

Not to be contentious, but are you suggesting (borderline) Communism = showing your ID, along with a voter card, to vote?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You are asking why a woman who is about to loose her job and potentially face jail time over something she knew nothing about and had nothing to do with who is being attacked by a political party for no reason is pleading the 5th?

The IRS was dong it's job. The IRS investigates organizations who are typically involved in fraud.

Conjecture, you don't know what she was going thru, because she took the fifth

I did not have to show my ID to sign up to Obamacare. I did not go to an Obamcare office, or show my ID to anyone connected to Obamacare. To answer your question even further, I didn't show my ID to anyone in the government, and now that I think about it I never showed my ID to ANYONE.

Come to think of it, I went for a check up earlier this week. They didn't ask for any kind of ID. (Just in case you were wondering the doctor told me I was fit as a fiddle and he expects me to live to 101. No kidding.)

You make mountains out of molehills. The IRS was doing it's freaking job and now it can't because all they need to do is say "Hey, I am a political party" and the IRS has to turn the other way. Fine by me - it's your tax dollars too. As for Obamacare, well, the Republican party completely lost on that.

So according to you, it's ok to target the presidents opposition using the IRS. Sorry, if the head calls the fifth, then her emails disappear, all when the irs has a huge budget to prevent that from happening, I think that need to be looked into!

I went to the dentist for some periodontal work, they gave me a prescription for the pain. I showed my ID at CVS. I don't see a problem with that because of the Norco's they gave me, I don't want those to show up in someone else's possession. I guess you don't care about that?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by robwod

Not to be contentious, but are you suggesting (borderline) Communism = showing your ID, along with a voter card, to vote?

No, i'm suggesting that a bunch of VERY far left FOREIGNERS shouldn't be so interested in the nuances of domestic politics or take partisan sides in arguments that they are not a part of or that do not concern them.

Of course someone should have to show ID to vote. It's thoroughly idiotic to know have to show id to participate in something as important as that.

[robwod]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

No, i'm suggesting that a bunch of VERY far left FOREIGNERS shouldn't be so interested in the nuances of domestic politics or take partisan sides in arguments that they are not a part of or that do not concern them.

Of course someone should have to show ID to vote. It's thoroughly idiotic to know have to show id to participate in something as important as that.

Ok, I see. And I agree with you on several things here, including that is beyond belief people object to displaying a valid ID along with a registered voter card to cast your ballot.

I do find it interesting that people of other countries, including my own (Canada) tend to ignore the fact that we have our own problematic politicians and issues, and instead focus so much energy being critical of another country's.

The one similarity we do share, however, is that both of our country's have shifted political dynamics. No longer are our elected officials representing the people. Instead, they largely represent the interests of those who can give them the most money. That's the part that needs some focus.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by robwod

Ok, I see. And I agree with you on several things here, including that is beyond belief people object to displaying a valid ID along with a registered voter card to cast your ballot.

I do find it interesting that people of other countries, including my own (Canada) tend ot ignore the fact that we have our own problematic politicians and issues, and instead focus so much energy being critical of another country's.

The one similarity we do share, however, is that both of our country's have shifted political dynamics. No longer are our elected officials representing the people. Instead, they largely represent the interests of those who can give them the most money.

This issue isn't really about id's. It's just more "my tribe vs your tribe" idiocy. Republicans are pushing it because these poor people who apparently can't get an ID card by any means at all are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. Thats somewhat understandable as it threatens their voter base...

However, the comedy in this issue is that there is still no logical reason why someone participating in a democracy should not have to verify their eligibility to participate. The arguments as to why they just can't possibly get any sort of valid ID at all, are just so sad, its depressing to think someone could even make these arguments about another human being which they are relying on to make educated decisions which determine the course of the future and the future of everyones children.

I don't have any issues with Canadians, but imagine daily threads of nuanced political discussion of Canadian politics, most of which created by Americans then featured the same 4 Americans telling you how 1/2 of Canada is nothing but a bunch of crazy assholes who hate people. It gets tiresome. They are everything themselves, which they claim to dislike in those they criticize

[robwod]

The Squealer: Once again, we agree

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by robwod

The Squealer: Once again, we agree

Fuck it. I'm moving to B.C. Love that place.

[Notorious BLT]

We need free IDs for everyone

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This issue isn't really about id's. It's just more "my tribe vs your tribe" idiocy. Republicans are pushing it because these poor people who apparently can't get an ID card by any means at all are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. Thats somewhat understandable as it threatens their voter base...

However, the comedy in this issue is that there is still no logical reason why someone participating in a democracy should not have to verify their eligibility to participate. The arguments as to why they just can't possibly get any sort of valid ID at all, are just so sad, its depressing to think someone could even make these arguments about another human being which they are relying on to make educated decisions which determine the course of the future and the future of everyones children.

I don't have any issues with Canadians, but imagine daily threads of nuanced political discussion of Canadian politics, most of which created by Americans then featured the same 4 Americans telling you how 1/2 of Canada is nothing but a bunch of crazy assholes who hate people. It gets tiresome. They are everything themselves, which they claim to dislike in those they criticize

The problem with these laws isn't the ID requirements (for the most part). As I stated above most of them allow for you get a free ID if you can't afford it. I was reading today that the Texas law will give you a free ID if you can't afford it. They estimated that 1.4 million people would be affected by the law yet only about a dozen people have actually asked for an ID. It's not about the ID. It's about the other stuff that goes with it.

The old saying is that cigarette isn't something that allows you to smoke tobacco. It is a delivery system for nicotine. The ID section of the voter laws is just the package that the rest of the crap is sold to you in. Many of these laws include things like reducing days/hours of early voting, restricting days when you an register and not allowing people to vote anywhere but at their assigned precinct. There is no good reason to change any of these things except to use them as a method to reduce voter turnout.

In a time when we are constantly talking about ways to get more people to vote and how important voting is, we should not be passing laws that restrict how and when you can vote simply because it benefits one party.

[Sunny Day]

If this guy doesn't have ID, just think of the other "LAZY STUPID" people.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpoli...eaker/3422047/


This guy was the Speaker of the House of the United States and denied the right to vote for lack of ID

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem with these laws isn't the ID requirements (for the most part). As I stated above most of them allow for you get a free ID if you can't afford it. I was reading today that the Texas law will give you a free ID if you can't afford it. They estimated that 1.4 million people would be affected by the law yet only about a dozen people have actually asked for an ID. It's not about the ID. It's about the other stuff that goes with it.

The old saying is that cigarette isn't something that allows you to smoke tobacco. It is a delivery system for nicotine. The ID section of the voter laws is just the package that the rest of the crap is sold to you in. Many of these laws include things like reducing days/hours of early voting, restricting days when you an register and not allowing people to vote anywhere but at their assigned precinct. There is no good reason to change any of these things except to use them as a method to reduce voter turnout.

In a time when we are constantly talking about ways to get more people to vote and how important voting is, we should not be passing laws that restrict how and when you can vote simply because it benefits one party.

I'm too lazy to look into the details or specifics you mention and do not doubt it, however, i'd say that any discussion i've ever heard on the subject (including this forum) has been about the undo hardship the requirement places on people with respect to simply getting an ID at all. What you're saying simply seems to be a more credible angle on the issue rather than the first real argument that its just too difficult for people to get ID's. To believe you, would mean accepting that everyone is 100% fine with a requirement for having an ID as a sole issue and any other details could simply be stricken from a bill and then would pass with great expediency, which absolutely is not the case.