Did you listen to the press conference?

[baddog]

Just wondering if you listened to the facts as they were laid out at the Ferguson press conference and still came away with the impression that Brown was shot in the back while running away and/or surrendering.

[tony286]

The thing that got me was he was killed over 100 ft away.i call bullshit on the charging.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by tony286

The thing that got me was he was killed over 100 ft away.i call bullshit on the charging.

OK, then explain why his blood started 25 feet further up the street from where he eventually fell, if he didn't start coming back towards the officer. Also he was killed over 100 feet away from the police vehicle, not from the officer.

[bronco67]

Sounds like he asked for it.

But I still think cops need to stop pumping 12 rounds into someone because they can't handle them physically.

12 shots?

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by baddog

Just wondering if you listened to the facts as they were laid out at the Ferguson press conference and still came away with the impression that Brown was shot in the back while running away and/or surrendering.

It's pretty hard to determine any "fact" from the press conference. It's obvious that the prosecutor had one objective: to try to sway public opinion in favor of a man he believes to be innocent. In 2010, there were 162,000 federal grand juries convened (there is no data on state grand juries). Know how many voted to NOT go to trial? 11.

This should have been decided at trial. I believe the officer would have been NOT GUILTY, but it should have gone to a process that had both sides ... and it shouldn't have happened in Ferguson. That prosecutor's office is obviously very biased. 14 suspicious officer-caused deaths, 4 grand juries, 0 indictments.

The media outlets are ripping the prosecutor and the whole process a new asshole right now, and I have to say: that's justified.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony286

The thing that got me was he was killed over 100 ft away.i call bullshit on the charging.

Pretty easy explanation; you were not paying attention and heard what you wanted to hear.

Originally Posted by bronco67

Sounds like he asked for it.

But I still think cops need to stop pumping 12 rounds into someone because they can't handle them physically.

12 shots?

Did you bother listening to where the 12 shots hit Brown? And 9mm has had that complaint forever, no stopping power.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

It's pretty hard to determine any "fact" from the press conference. It's obvious that the prosecutor had one objective: to try to sway public opinion in favor of a man he believes to be innocent. In 2010, there were 162,000 federal grand juries convened (there is no data on state grand juries). Know how many voted to NOT go to trial? 11.

This should have been decided at trial. I believe the officer would have been NOT GUILTY, but it should have gone to a process that had both sides ... and it shouldn't have happened in Ferguson. That prosecutor's office is obviously very biased. 14 suspicious officer-caused deaths, 4 grand juries, 0 indictments.

The media outlets are ripping the prosecutor and the whole process a new asshole right now, and I have to say: that's justified.

I presume you have taken a cursory glance at the various autopsies.

[edgeprod]

Originally Posted by baddog

I presume you have taken a cursory glance at the various autopsies.

Yup. I believe the officer was innocent, from everything I've seen. I just don't like the way it was "handled" -- it's not very transparent, and I think you can tell from the tone of Obama's speech that he was not impressed, either.

[seeric]

Physical evidence doesn't lie. It doesn't hear what it wants to. It doesn't make assumptions.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Yup. I believe the officer was innocent, from everything I've seen. I just don't like the way it was "handled" -- it's not very transparent, and I think you can tell from the tone of Obama's speech that he was not impressed, either.

The president shouldn't be commenting at all.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Yup. I believe the officer was innocent, from everything I've seen. I just don't like the way it was "handled" -- it's not very transparent, and I think you can tell from the tone of Obama's speech that he was not impressed, either.

Obama should stick to things he knows; like pissing and moaning with the Republicans for 8 years. What a waste of a human being.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The president shouldn't be commenting at all.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Sounds like he asked for it.

But I still think cops need to stop pumping 12 rounds into someone because they can't handle them physically.

12 shots?

Don't forget Brown was 6'4" and weighed 292 pounds. Most posters here couldn't handle him, if the kid could take a punch I'd be fucked.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Yup. I believe the officer was innocent, from everything I've seen. I just don't like the way it was "handled" -- it's not very transparent, and I think you can tell from the tone of Obama's speech that he was not impressed, either.

Here is the thing:

Fact: Every case, big or small is reviewed by the prosecuting attorney to see if they have enough evidence to proceed to trial.

Fact: The last time a nationally publicized case with an unarmed black teen getting shot (Martin), the prosecutor said there wasn't enough evidence to convict. Public opinion forced him to try Zimmerman anyway.

Fact: If the prosecutor in the Brown just said there isn't enough evidence to prosecute people would be up in arms.

Fact: The Grand Jury reviews the case in even more detail than the DA.

It was a logical move.

[kane]

I watched the press conference and some of the news after. After hearing what the prosecutor said it was pretty clear to me that not pressing charges against the office was the right call.

The thing that annoyed me is then the news interviewed some elected officials from the area including a councilwoman who basically called the whole thing a scam and said that the police need to learn how to better deal with some communities. She was basically inciting violence.

[EddyTheDog]

I was asleep though most of it of course - It seems that they made a bad call with the timing of the announcement though...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I was asleep though most of it of course - It seems that they made a bad call with the timing of the announcement though...

My bet is the White House requested the time tonight ........

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The president shouldn't be commenting at all.

What? Why shouldn't the President attempt to quell violence? Did you even listen to what he had to say or are you so biased you just jumped to conclusions?

He asked that people who object to the decision protest peacefully and respect the wishes of Brown's parents. Also, that we are a nation built on the rule of law and to accept the grand jury's decision.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Atticus

What? Why shouldn't the President attempt to quell violence? Did you even listed to what he had to say or are you so biased you just jumped to conclusions?

He asked that people who object to the decision protest peacefully and respect the wishes of Brown's parents. Also, that we are a nation built on the rule of law and to accept the grand jury's decision.

I don't feel the President should be commenting on a single criminal act taking place anywhere in the US. I don't feel that's his job. He has underlings in the Justice Dept. that should be doing that.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Don't forget Brown was 6'4" and weighed 292 pounds. Most posters here couldn't handle him, if the kid could take a punch I'd be fucked.

Okay, but have you seen Darren Wilson. He's a little shrimp.

part of the problem with cops using their gun for every situation is because their physical presence is almost useless. Cops should be big, strapping bucks who can handle their shit. That means no women on the force, and especially no little men with no muscle mass.

[bronco67]

Can the parents at least claim a little responsibility for raising an ignorant thug who would do a robbery, then be dumb enough to charge a cop?

Wilson should have been able to handle this without killing him, but the parents have to stop acting like they bear no culpability for what happened to their son.

[tony286]

New pictures reveal Darren Wilson is a tall and study man just like his 'gentle giant' victim Michael Brown | Daily Mail Online. Darren Wilson as a tall guy himself.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Can the parents at least claim a little responsibility for raising an ignorant thug who would do a robbery, then be dumb enough to charge a cop?

Wilson should have been able to handle this without killing him, but the parents have to stop acting like they bear no culpability for what happened to their son.

I don't think he charged the cop.remember the video of construction worker yelling he had his hands up. He ran away from two shots but with a bunch of bullets in him he decided to charge the cop and he was over 100 ft away.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by tony286

New pictures reveal Darren Wilson is a tall and study man just like his 'gentle giant' victim Michael Brown | Daily Mail Online. Darren Wilson as a tall guy himself.

Meaning what?

Also you failed you explain why you think the charging was BS in your earlier post.

"OK, then explain why his blood started 25 feet further up the street from where he eventually fell, if he didn't start coming back towards the officer. Also he was killed over 100 feet away from the police vehicle, not from the officer."

[FriendsForNow]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Okay, but have you seen Darren Wilson. He's a little shrimp.

Incorrect. Officer Darren Wilson is 6'3" 210lbs

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Meaning what?

Also you failed you explain why you think the charging was BS in your earlier post.

"OK, then explain why his blood started 25 feet further up the street from where he eventually fell, if he didn't start coming back towards the officer. Also he was killed over 100 feet away from the police vehicle, not from the officer."

Activist’s video suggests Ferguson police have been lying about Mike Brown’s death
Also think about it he was already shot several times running away and he is going to turn around and charge him? Lets use common sense.
SEE IT: 2 men react as Michael Brown is shot by cops - NY Daily News

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by tony286

Activist?s video suggests Ferguson police have been lying about Mike Brown?s death
Also think about it he was already shot several times running away and he is going to turn around and charge him? Lets use common sense.
SEE IT: 2 men react as Michael Brown is shot by cops - NY Daily News

Tony, do you feel Brown had ANYTHING to do with putting himself in the position he was in? You know things I don't do on a regular basis like steal, assault store owners, assault cops.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Tony, do you feel Brown had ANYTHING to do with putting himself in the position he was in? You know things I don't do on a regular basis like steal, assault store owners, assault cops.

I think this is the part where Tony plugs in his "When I was a bouncer at the club" story.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Tony, do you feel Brown had ANYTHING to do with putting himself in the position he was in? You know things I don't do on a regular basis like steal, assault store owners, assault cops.

Of course I do but we dont live in judge dredd. He could of called for back up and arrested the piece of shit. I was watching a retired prosecutor, he said once Mike Brown started to run away, the officer had no right to use deadly force on a unarmed man. At the press conference the prosecutor sounded like Darren Wilson's defense attorney.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony286

Of course I do but we dont live in judge dredd. He could of called for back up and arrested the piece of shit. I was watching a retired prosecutor, he said once Mike Brown started to run away, the officer had no right to use deadly force on a unarmed man. At the press conference the prosecutor sounded like Darren Wilson's defense attorney.

You watched a retired prosecutor say one thing and take it like gospel, but completely ignore what the overseeing prosecutor and grand jury (both of which have seen far more evidence then a retired prosecutor would have seen?)

How exactly does that work? You listen to a guy that has absolutely nothing to do with a case, but you completely ignore the person that does along with a grand jury that has seen more evidence than anyone else ever will see?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Can the parents at least claim a little responsibility for raising an ignorant thug who would do a robbery, then be dumb enough to charge a cop?

Perhaps the most intelligent thing I have ever read from you.

Originally Posted by tony286

New pictures reveal Darren Wilson is a tall and study man just like his 'gentle giant' victim Michael Brown | Daily Mail Online. Darren Wilson as a tall guy himself.

Tony 404 - Is height everything? And what makes Brown a "gentle giant"? By what definition?

Originally Posted by tony286

I don't think he charged the cop.remember the video of construction worker yelling he had his hands up. He ran away from two shots but with a bunch of bullets in him he decided to charge the cop and he was over 100 ft away.

Then why didn't you testify before the grand jury if you saw what happened?

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Tony, do you feel Brown had ANYTHING to do with putting himself in the position he was in? You know things I don't do on a regular basis like steal, assault store owners, assault cops.

Of course he doesn't, that would require logic and the elimination of his total bias.

[baddog]

I love how the media continues to use this outdated, innocent photo

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't feel the President should be commenting on a single criminal act taking place anywhere in the US. I don't feel that's his job. He has underlings in the Justice Dept. that should be doing that.

He wasn't commenting on a single criminal act. There was a high probability of racial riots across the country and he was trying to quell potential violence. By encouraging citizens to respect the grand jury's decision and protest peacefully if they disagree. That is a welcome, and needed, statement by the President of the United States.

[FriendsForNow]

Originally Posted by tony286

Also think about it he was already shot several times running away and he is going to turn around and charge him? Lets use common sense.

Please review the autopsy. Ex-suspect Michael Brown was never shot in the back.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by FriendsForNow

Please review the autopsy. Ex-suspect Michael Brown was never shot in the back.

I never said shot in the back ,I said shot several times.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by tony286

I never said shot in the back ,I said shot several times.

If I were you, I'd stop posting.

he was already shot several times running away

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

If I were you, I'd stop posting.

He was running backwards; facing the cop the entire time as he fled

He got a flu shot

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by tony286

I never said shot in the back ,I said shot several times.

If both parties were black neither you nor the press nor the rioters would give a shit. That's what truly makes this whole affair stink.

[PAR]

Leaked testimony from Darren Wilson
On October 22, anonymous sources "close to the investigation" leaked to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch what they described as Wilson's grand jury testimony, following other leaks on Wilson's version of the events.

According to the leaked testimony, the incident began as Wilson was driving down Canfield Drive, having just handled a call about a sick baby, when he saw Brown and Johnson walking down the middle of the street. Wilson told them to move to the sidewalk and was met with verbal abuse from the pair in response. Wilson saw that they were carrying cigarillos, and he noticed that Johnson matched the description of a suspect in a strong-arm robbery where cigarillos had been stolen. Wilson parked his vehicle and called for assistance, then tried to get out of the vehicle, but was punched in the face by Brown through the open window. Wilson thought he had no choice but to draw his weapon, because Brown was "incredibly strong". He was unable to use pepper spray due to the close quarters, and his baton was out of reach. Brown grabbed Wilson's pistol while punching him repeatedly in the face. Wilson could feel Brown pushing the weapon back toward his body, and it was at one point pointed back at his hip. Wilson pulled back inside the vehicle and attempted to shoot Brown, but he failed the first time because Brown's finger was jammed in the hammer of the gun. The gun fired on the second attempt, resulting in a wound to Brown's hand, as well as scattering fragments of glass inside the vehicle. A second gunshot failed to hit Brown before Brown fled. Wilson's shoulder radio had been knocked off-setting during the struggle, and he decided to give chase. After he got out of the vehicle, Brown turned back toward him, then charged at him despite his commands to stop. Wilson fired at Brown, hitting him four times, including a final, fatal shot to the forehead, which brought Brown down.

Wilson told investigators that he did not recall yelling or saying anything when he was chasing Brown, but when Brown stopped, turned and began running toward him, he yelled stop. According to a source reported in The Washington Post, Wilson testified to the grand jury that he ordered Brown to stop and lower himself to the ground, but Brown instead turned and moved toward the officer. Wilson said that Brown's hands were not raised at the time of the shooting.

The Justice Department issued a statement saying that it "considers the selective release of information in this investigation to be irresponsible and highly troubling. Since the release of the convenience-store footage, there seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case."[62] Wilson's defense team denied they were behind the leaks, stating that they "[were] not in possession of any of the disclosed reports or the investigative report".[62] The St. Louis County prosecutor spokesperson said that his office wouldn't investigate the leaks because they could not force journalists to divulge their sources, and said that "you can tell by the information they have that the leaks are not coming from the grand jury or the prosecutor's office."

Shooting of Michael Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for height... Wilson is 6-4 and Apx 200-210.. Brown also 6-4 Apx 290-300
Sorry could not get details on their arm reach or recent fight cards... But then this point is simple they were not in a boxing/UFC ring. But if people want to treat it like it was by calling height and size into play..
Who would you bet money on.
I'd be going with the one with the extra 100 pounds for the win in a fight...

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by tony286

Also think about it he was already shot several times running away and he is going to turn around and charge him? Lets use common sense.

So you're saying the blood trail evidence was faked by the investigators?

[seeric]

Autopsy revealed no bullets in the back, only the front of the suspect. Totally kills the "He shot him in the back thing".

It all comes down to this you guys. I have been through this training many times in the 5 years I was an officer.

"The use of deadly force is also authorized when a person poses a significant threat to a law enforcement officer, usually when the officer is at risk of serious bodily injury or death."

He felt his life was in danger, or seriously bodily injury would occur. End of story.

As stated before, physical evidence does not lie. People do.

You can believe what you want, but the physical evidence is what a Grand Jury looks at. If you don't like that, go live in a country where you like their laws.

Something tells me you'd be back real quick.

2cents
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[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

So you're saying the blood trail evidence was faked by the investigators?

Tony doesn't use forensic evidence.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

If both parties were black neither you nor the press nor the rioters would give a shit. That's what truly makes this whole affair stink.

In every situation that I've encountered with black cops and black suspects, the black cops are harder on the black suspects than white cops are. Black cops hold the members of the black community to higher standards than white cops do.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by tony286

Activist?s video suggests Ferguson police have been lying about Mike Brown?s death
Also think about it he was already shot several times running away and he is going to turn around and charge him? Lets use common sense.
SEE IT: 2 men react as Michael Brown is shot by cops - NY Daily News

LOL what are you quoting?

You do know all evidence is now released (I believe)
If you watched the Grand Jury announcement, you would of seen that Most all whitnesses changed their story, or were discredited......

Your Link number 2 "SEE IT"
Has the construction worker saying he was shot in the "BACK"
NOPE all autopsy even the one done by the Brown family show NO bullet wounds in the back!

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

If both parties were black neither you nor the press nor the rioters would give a shit. That's what truly makes this whole affair stink.

21 Nov 2014 Black cop shoots un-armed black in new york.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by tony286

Of course I do but we dont live in judge dredd. He could of called for back up and arrested the piece of shit. I was watching a retired prosecutor, he said once Mike Brown started to run away, the officer had no right to use deadly force on a unarmed man. At the press conference the prosecutor sounded like Darren Wilson's defense attorney.

Mike Brown made a conscious decision in his head to turn around and run back at the officer, thus creating a threat to the officer again. We all have to take responsibility for our own decisions.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony286

Of course I do but we dont live in judge dredd. He could of called for back up and arrested the piece of shit. I was watching a retired prosecutor, he said once Mike Brown started to run away, the officer had no right to use deadly force on a unarmed man. At the press conference the prosecutor sounded like Darren Wilson's defense attorney.

He did not shoot at Brown when he was running away, he shot him during the struggle for the gun, then again when Brown charged him.

Turns out bullet wounds to the arms and hand are not very effective.

[Rochard]

Brown is not a "innocent unarmed teenager" but instead a three hundred pound man who committed a robbery, assaulted a store clerk, then attacked a police officer and attempted to wrestle his firearm away from him. No matter how you look at this, a teenager had his hand on the officer's firearm and that is in fact a deadly situation.

If the officer stepped out of the car and said "get on your stomach and put your hands behind your head" and Brown did this, he would still be alive today. I'm sorry, but if you assault a police officer, try to wrestle his firearm away from him, and then charge the police officer... You are going to be shot. There is no other way it will go down.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by baddog

He did not shoot at Brown when he was running away, he shot him during the struggle for the gun, then again when Brown charged him.

Turns out bullet wounds to the arms and hand are not very effective.

Brown was shot inside the car during the struggle for the gun? I did not know that.

[dyna mo]

no, I did not listen to the press conference.